BOS - SAC - UTA: still trying to dump Simons

[Patsfan1081]

How about just trade directly with UTAH, Simons + Hauser + future lottery protected #1 for Nurkic + Anderson + Love?

BOS continue to dump long term contract, and lower the current year salary to below 2nd apron. Getting back PF/C who are all expiring contracts.

UTAH continue to gather young talent and future pick, or showcase them, for later re-sold for further asset coming in.

I wouldn't do that for a lottery protected pick, tbh. I don't think Hauser has value on that contract and I don't want to continue stunting the development of our players by trotting out another me-first combo guard.

I just don’t see how Hauser at 11 average isn’t good value. Duncan Robinson just got 17, Hauser is 42% career 3pt shooter and not a liability on defense. As others have said though, Boston can get under the second pretty easily now, I don’t see them using assets to shed salary outside maybe with Niang.

[brackdan70]

I think it would be foolish to trade that pick to dump Simons.
Doesn’t seem like a move any GM would make, let alone Stevens.
A more likely trade would be for a player that makes less money in 2025/26 but is on a multi year deal, than an actual 100% dump.
I think the will look for deals that make sense, but won’t panic and do stupid stuff like this. They are already in a position to get below the second Apron this year, and are well below the tax with 11 players next year. The salary dump work is done. Now it’s about building/maintaining a good team for when Tatum is back.

A couple seconds perhaps.

[Daddy 801]

Obviously you have to take public comments with a grain of salt, but Brad Stevens came out and said that they've been told by ownership not to prioritize using their picks to save money. Again, grain of salt... but that 2026 pick far and away projects to be the highest pick they make for the rest of Tatum's time there. They don't have any overly strong budding young players. By all accounts, they view Tatum/Brown/White as the core.

I struggle to bridge the gap between "we're not going to use picks to save money" and "ok, here's far and away the singular most valuable pick we have to take on a contract for us". Even "discounting" back Stevens' comments because people always frame things better to fans publicly, I just think that's too much. BOS can duck the tax, if that's their goal, by salary dumping Hauser/Niang/Tillman at the deadline and replacing them with prorated minimum deals. That won't cost a first like this with Simons.

So conceptually I think any deals that have BOS paying the pick price to FULLY clear Simons are D.O.A. You can debate value but I just don't see them making sense in BOS's situation.

I actually disagree that dumping Huaser won't cost a first. Maybe I am wrong, but all of this - again - just feels like good reasons to stretch Simons and be done with it. If they can find buyers for those other guys they absolutely should do it.

I'm wrong all the time but I'm still shocked at the idea that Hauser potentially might be considered a negative. Duncan Robinson a comparable (and in my opinion worse) player just got 3/48 from the Pistons and Hauser is signed up for 4/45. I know the Pistons might not be the best organization to judge a sensible market rate from, but if that's even remotely in the ballpark for that caliber/style of player then Hauser is at least market value.

So maybe no one is giving up anything of significant value for him other than cap space, but I'd still be shocked to see it be charged at the cost of a 1st. The new CBA has me really thrown off in terms of values though, so I may just be way off base, but I still can't get my head around that.

I would t pay a first to get rid of a contract that small unless it meant saving tents of millions or I was the GM of a team one piece away from a championship and moving that contract meant I could sign the one player that pushes me over the edge.

Contracts like Beal and Dame are the ones that would require a first or multiple firsts to get rid of. IMO at least.

[bgrep14]

Utah: Nurkic
Utah: Simons

Portland: Timelord
Portland: Nurkic

Celtics: Simons
Celtics: Timelord

Utah and Celtics swap TE for KJ Martin or Love

Saves Celtics 5-10 million

[brackdan70]

Utah: Nurkic
Utah: Simons

Portland: Timelord
Portland: Nurkic

Celtics: Simons
Celtics: Timelord

Utah and Celtics swap TE for KJ Martin or Love

Saves Celtics 5-10 million

TE?

[bgrep14]

Utah: Nurkic
Utah: Simons

Portland: Timelord
Portland: Nurkic

Celtics: Simons
Celtics: Timelord

Utah and Celtics swap TE for KJ Martin or Love

Saves Celtics 5-10 million

TE?

Trade Exception existing for 4.3M or the 13M one created by this trade

[babyjax13]

Utah: Nurkic
Utah: Simons

Portland: Timelord
Portland: Nurkic

Celtics: Simons
Celtics: Timelord

Utah and Celtics swap TE for KJ Martin or Love

Saves Celtics 5-10 million

I would rather keep Nurkic than trade for another combo guard.

[brackdan70]

Utah: Nurkic
Utah: Simons

Portland: Timelord
Portland: Nurkic

Celtics: Simons
Celtics: Timelord

Utah and Celtics swap TE for KJ Martin or Love

Saves Celtics 5-10 million

TE?

Trade Exception existing for 4.3M or the 13M one created by this trade

Oh ok. That would cause a first apron hard cap for the Celtics….I don’t think they do that unless they can save more money to get way under. I don’t think this even gets them under it so a no go there with that part of the proposal.