2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[Daffy]

To be fair, Spo would have had a lot worse to say about a 21 year old Whiteside We got him after he was humbled a bit from getting bounced out of the league and playing overseas

Yeah, but Whiteside never got called out in the media by Spo IRRC.

They probably just fed up at this point and learned their lessons from the past.

Perhaps. Ideally this is also where you’d like to see a leader on the team (not UD or an assistant coach) intervene and show Ware the ropes, it shouldnt have to come down to Spo calling him out in the media but now that it has, the guy has to take ownership to be better but leaders on the team should see it as their duty as well to get in his ear.

This is one of the issues of having such a young team.

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Looks like it doesn’t matter who the captain is considering UD and Wade couldn’t control Whiteside, it takes the village. If Ware doesn’t love the game and doesn’t have the drive/want to to be great that’s on him, not anyone else. These have been long documented character issues of him, it’s not like this just started. We’ll see if he can improve as a player or ever even be Whitesides level of a player to warrant the headache.

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Looks like it doesn’t matter who the captain is considering UD and Wade couldn’t control Whiteside, it takes the village. If Ware doesn’t love the game and doesn’t have the drive/want to to be great that’s on him, not anyone else. These have been long documented character issues of him, it’s not like this just started. We’ll see if he can improve as a player or ever even be Whitesides level of a player to warrant the headache.

I don’t think Ware has any of the bonehead immaturity issues Whiteside has. I think the issue with Ware is he’s too reserved and lacks that outright dog in him. Still think he can be a very useful player if used correctly.

Something definitely popped out on tape recently where they’ve been catching Ware just going through the motions. Maybe they have talked to him behind the scenes plenty and blasting him in the media might have been the true boiling point for him to wake the phuck up.

Like Spo says Heat Culture is not for everyone. Ware is going to have to eat that humble pie and come off the bench. This is why Bam will never get traded no matter what cause he embodies everything about what the Heat want in a player. As for Bam wanting Ware here to play the 4 we honestly can’t be beholden to just one player at Center that can play with Bam.

The organization has to make a concerted effort to bring in depth in the case of even someone just pushing Ware for time if he slacks off. Keshad Johnson has a great chance to make a name for himself here cause he has that dog in him and brings that infectious energy to the court. I would start Jovic and have Ware shadowed with Keshad and Davion Mitchell off the bench. Two dogs to keep him going on the court.

[MiamiLoyal926]

If i had to guess, the front office is as split as congress.

Spo wanted Durant here. But, the front office didnt want to include Ware in the deal.

So ware must be this other world, godly talent that you cant trade away. And if that is the case, Spo wants those results now.

When you got 3 untouchables like Ware, Jovic, Herro, that you cant trade for Lebron, Durant or any star… thats a lot of godly talent…. We should win 60 games and breeze through the playoffs.

So spo is right in wanting to see the results right now..

I don’t know if that is the case but if it is then Spo is the problem and he needs to go. Heat can’t keep chasing mediocrity because he can’t improve as a coach and develop young players with patience and let them go through their growing pains. He asks others to sacrifice but is he willing to sacrifice some meaningless wins to do what is best for the team? I feel I’ve seen this too many times with him.

This team doesn’t need a coach that is only thinking of now rather than the future. Even Riley as coach knew when it was time to blow it up and did so twice after Zo and after Shaq. But he gives Spo leeway to coach as he sees fit. We’ve seen over the years it is at odds with how the team is built.

He’s been around a long time and is probably too old and stubborn to go through with the best process for this. He might be better off like Doc Rivers now and jump from team to team to coach veteran playoff teams.

If you are raising an entitled child who does not put in the work and just expects to be rewarded, what do you do? Especially if what they do produce and contribute to the household is half-a**ed?

I don’t know about you, but if my son is just collecting without giving, I am putting him through the wringer. Especially if I know he can give me more, but he is not and is coming in each day with an entitlement. A coach is not very different than a parent, especially when dealing with young drafted players. Those aren’t men yet, and you are their first real world experience after they left school… someone needs to give them the lessons on how to be an adult in an adult world. How to be a professional in a professional world.

Maybe it’s just me… but I would not raise an entitled child by giving them more of what they feel entitled to. They will need to work for it and earn it.

[Beenie]

Wanted DeSilva

Fits better and Spo would have loved him

Call Orlando

[MettaWorldPanda]

Wanted DeSilva

Fits better and Spo would have loved him

Call Orlando

This makes me sad cause DaSilva was by far my favorite prospect in that range who had everything the Heat wanted in a player. All i talked about was Tristan DaSilva. Oh well

[DayofMourning]

We all want him to be great.

His current path could lead to very good.

Maybe just come off the video games like Iggy did.

When you look at Wares athletic profile and skillset you see a guy who could make all NBA teams if he figures it out.

[Daffy]

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[HeatFanLifer]

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Looks like it doesn’t matter who the captain is considering UD and Wade couldn’t control Whiteside, it takes the village. If Ware doesn’t love the game and doesn’t have the drive/want to to be great that’s on him, not anyone else. These have been long documented character issues of him, it’s not like this just started. We’ll see if he can improve as a player or ever even be Whitesides level of a player to warrant the headache.

Yeah we don’t need another Whiteside. No team does. If a player doesn’t want to commit to the team, ship him off and get another player. Not saying Ware can’t change, but this upcoming year should be the year to determine whether to keep him. Not his contract year. Players are on their best behavior during that contract year.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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O.M.G….

I was wondering what we were clearing the books for next summer. I had discounted Luka thinking 1. he would not leave the Lakers, and 2. we really had no inside track on him… and then this surfaces. Don’t do this to me Daffy…

Hope this friendship is blossoming just as Luka is deciding his future with the Lakers on/afterAugust 2nd…

Now I have to keep my eyes peeled for the extension talks between him and the Lakers this summer. If they do not agree to an extension, ish about to get real!!!

[Daffy]

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O.M.G….

I was wondering what we were clearing the books for next summer. I had discounted Luka thinking 1. he would not leave the Lakers, and 2. we really had no inside track on him… and then this surfaces. Don’t do this to me Daffy…

Hope this friendship is blossoming just as Luka is deciding his future with the Lakers on/afterAugust 2nd…

Now I have to keep my eyes peeled for the extension talks between him and the Lakers this summer. If they do not agree to an extension, ish about to get real!!!

There's the Dragic influence as well. I'm hoping Bam gets into his ear over that little function they attending.

Honestly I think the biggest factor should be Luka's own eyes. I mean I dont understand how you realistically look at the Lakers roster and see a path to contention. We already have Herro and Bam. You sell him on adding to that core along with some of the young guys. The team is made around a missing star.

Miami isnt as big of a market as LA but it's definitely not a small market. Luka and his agent just meed to be realistic about winning.

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He can’t handle Vlad’s strength in the post.

[Kobewade11]

I don’t think Ware has any of the bonehead immaturity issues Whiteside has. I think the issue with Ware is he’s too reserved and lacks that outright dog in him. Still think he can be a very useful player if used correctly.

Agreed. Its kind of lazy comparing the two. I noted during the season that Ware needs to find his mean streak. He has all the talent but needs to have the mentality that he’s going to impose his will on the court.

From the looks of things, Heat twitter already has their new whipping boy and narrative for the upcoming season.

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[Heat3]

If i had to guess, the front office is as split as congress.

Spo wanted Durant here. But, the front office didnt want to include Ware in the deal.

So ware must be this other world, godly talent that you cant trade away. And if that is the case, Spo wants those results now.

When you got 3 untouchables like Ware, Jovic, Herro, that you cant trade for Lebron, Durant or any star… thats a lot of godly talent…. We should win 60 games and breeze through the playoffs.

So spo is right in wanting to see the results right now..

I don’t know if that is the case but if it is then Spo is the problem and he needs to go. Heat can’t keep chasing mediocrity because he can’t improve as a coach and develop young players with patience and let them go through their growing pains. He asks others to sacrifice but is he willing to sacrifice some meaningless wins to do what is best for the team? I feel I’ve seen this too many times with him.

This team doesn’t need a coach that is only thinking of now rather than the future. Even Riley as coach knew when it was time to blow it up and did so twice after Zo and after Shaq. But he gives Spo leeway to coach as he sees fit. We’ve seen over the years it is at odds with how the team is built.

He’s been around a long time and is probably too old and stubborn to go through with the best process for this. He might be better off like Doc Rivers now and jump from team to team to coach veteran playoff teams.

If you are raising an entitled child who does not put in the work and just expects to be rewarded, what do you do? Especially if what they do produce and contribute to the household is half-a**ed?

I don’t know about you, but if my son is just collecting without giving, I am putting him through the wringer. Especially if I know he can give me more, but he is not and is coming in each day with an entitlement. A coach is not very different than a parent, especially when dealing with young drafted players. Those aren’t men yet, and you are their first real world experience after they left school… someone needs to give them the lessons on how to be an adult in an adult world. How to be a professional in a professional world.

Maybe it’s just me… but I would not raise an entitled child by giving them more of what they feel entitled to. They will need to work for it and earn it.

I don’t like this analogy. The players aren’t children and Spo isn’t their parent. They are professionals and colleagues. There are expectations from BOTH. It shouldn’t just be one sided. There is a lot to be desired from Spo when it comes to developing the drafted players. Even some guys like Whiteside and Duncan that the Heat dumped a lot of money into. As soon as they got paid they found themselves in Spo’s dog house. We’ll see how it progresses with the newer guys. Jaime is already on the same path. This sort of thing happens way to often here for it just be on the players.

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The takeaway for me (that isnt being talked about) is that Spo sounds rejuvenated. I’m pretty sure last season was the toughest of his career, for personal and professional reasons, but he appears refreshed and hungry.

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O.M.G….

I was wondering what we were clearing the books for next summer. I had discounted Luka thinking 1. he would not leave the Lakers, and 2. we really had no inside track on him… and then this surfaces. Don’t do this to me Daffy…

Hope this friendship is blossoming just as Luka is deciding his future with the Lakers on/afterAugust 2nd…

Now I have to keep my eyes peeled for the extension talks between him and the Lakers this summer. If they do not agree to an extension, ish about to get real!!!

There's the Dragic influence as well. I'm hoping Bam gets into his ear over that little function they attending.

Honestly I think the biggest factor should be Luka's own eyes. I mean I dont understand how you realistically look at the Lakers roster and see a path to contention. We already have Herro and Bam. You sell him on adding to that core along with some of the young guys. The team is made around a missing star.

Miami isnt as big of a market as LA but it's definitely not a small market. Luka and his agent just meed to be realistic about winning.

They’re going to do great things for the Lakers

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He can’t handle Vlad’s strength in the post.

I mean look at him, do you care at all?! I feel like this Goldin kid is the type that’s going to come in and work his ass off every day and he can example of what we want Ware to do, he may not be as talented or whatever but if he’s going to hustle, do the little things, and be engaged at all times not only will he improve but he’ll start to gain favor over Ware. He better hope we don’t do the Vucevic trade lol.

I’ve been pointing this out since the first SL game, he’s just out there acting like he’s too cool for school and going through the motions. He had 0 points 0 rebounds in the 2nd half the other night and everyone is just saying “it’s just summer league it doesn’t matter”. Thats just a cop out and it obviously matters to the Heat based on Spos comments. You should want to prove yourself and win every time you step on the court.

Looking forward to seeing how he responds to all this tonight.

[twix2500]

Im trying to stay out of this but I have to step in. Comparing Wares development to Whiteside attitude is way out of line. Whiteside had an uncontrollable bad attitude. He was getting ejected out of games and dogging games when he wasn't happy with players or the coaches. What Spo is saying isn't out of the norm. What Spo talking about is what all young players have to learn, is the basics of professionalism. Spo was comparing Jovic and Ware development of how to be a professional which takes a few YEARS. Meaning creating a daily habits and routine, goals and building and which also includes studying. He says Jovic has improved in his professionalism and still improving and Ware has a long way to go. This is not Ware has a bad attitude like Whiteside. This has gotten way out of hand comparing him to Whiteside

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He can’t handle Vlad’s strength in the post.

Did we expect him to have one on one post moves? It's good to see him working on it, doubt you will ever see Spo drop the ball to him as a back to basket scorer. We all expect him to be a Tyson Chandler type with a three point shot.