Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next Game: 6PM, Sun, July 20)

[Homerclease]

There isn’t any way you could convince me that Shulga and Williams > Maxime Raynaud.

Lol. They aren't. Came down to Brad not thinking Maxime was worth a guaranteed contract. Maxime or Garza? That is probably the comparison.

If this is true, this is nuts. Just in general missing out on the draft generally because you don't want to guarantee a rookie's first and second year. How does the team expect to compete under this CBA with two max players in their late 20s if they think signing a rookie to a 2 yr guarantee (with 2 TO's after that) is putting them over the budget.

I refuse to accept this was Brad's thinking. Because it's a false rationale, you need 14 players. A #32 pick will sign for $1.9 million, signing a veteran is going to be a veteran's minimum which will count as $2.2 million on the cap.

It's not like if you don't take a player, you get to carry a 13 man roster, you are still going to sign a 14th player that will cost more than a 32nd pick's salary

Not only that, they can just waive Davidson and Walsh if need be.

[Curmudgeon]

Bassey will be in the NBA this year, if not with Boston then with someone else. Lofton will also be in the NBA unless he can make more money in China.
As for Jordan Walsh, he may have played himself right off the roster today. He shot poorly, couldn't finish in traffic, missed free throws and committed one unnecessary foul after the other. And then there was the play where he had Shulga ahead of him for an easy layup, but he took it himself and blew the play. No NBA team can give serious minutes to a guy like that, unless it is tanking big time.

[jfs1000d]

There isn’t any way you could convince me that Shulga and Williams > Maxime Raynaud.

Lol. They aren't. Came down to Brad not thinking Maxime was worth a guaranteed contract. Maxime or Garza? That is probably the comparison.

If this is true, this is nuts. Just in general missing out on the draft generally because you don't want to guarantee a rookie's first and second year. How does the team expect to compete under this CBA with two max players in their late 20s if they think signing a rookie to a 2 yr guarantee (with 2 TO's after that) is putting them over the budget.

I refuse to accept this was Brad's thinking. Because it's a false rationale, you need 14 players. A #32 pick will sign for $1.9 million, signing a veteran is going to be a veteran's minimum which will count as $2.2 million on the cap.

It's not like if you don't take a player, you get to carry a 13 man roster, you are still going to sign a 14th player that will cost more than a 32nd pick's salary

Do the math and think of the value Of a roster spot not only money but production.

He doesn't think Maxine is good enough to take a roster spot away from Garza, Bassey, Tillman.

Essentially, Reynaud would be in G League for next year or two as an assigned player.

Or, we have guys like Amari and Shulga who are essentially two ways players with upside.

$3M on reynaud taking up a roster spot for two years (like Walsh) or Amari and Shulga on 2 ways?

Brad didn't think Reynaud was worth the spot and disnt want to commit the cash/roster slot to a player who wasn't worth a roster spot. We drafted guys who were willing to be 2 way players.

If Reynaud was willing to be a two way player, I am sure he would have been drafted by Boston.


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[jfs1000d]

There isn’t any way you could convince me that Shulga and Williams > Maxime Raynaud.

Lol. They aren't. Came down to Brad not thinking Maxime was worth a guaranteed contract. Maxime or Garza? That is probably the comparison.

If this is true, this is nuts. Just in general missing out on the draft generally because you don't want to guarantee a rookie's first and second year. How does the team expect to compete under this CBA with two max players in their late 20s if they think signing a rookie to a 2 yr guarantee (with 2 TO's after that) is putting them over the budget.

I refuse to accept this was Brad's thinking. Because it's a false rationale, you need 14 players. A #32 pick will sign for $1.9 million, signing a veteran is going to be a veteran's minimum which will count as $2.2 million on the cap.

It's not like if you don't take a player, you get to carry a 13 man roster, you are still going to sign a 14th player that will cost more than a 32nd pick's salary

edit: according to spotrac Noah Penda and Rasheer Fleming both signed roster contracts with a 2025-26 salary cap figure of $1.27 million

It is not the size of the contract. It is the value from the spot.

I don't think he wanted a second rookie on the roster this year.


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[redslastlaugh]

Lol. They aren't. Came down to Brad not thinking Maxime was worth a guaranteed contract. Maxime or Garza? That is probably the comparison.

If this is true, this is nuts. Just in general missing out on the draft generally because you don't want to guarantee a rookie's first and second year. How does the team expect to compete under this CBA with two max players in their late 20s if they think signing a rookie to a 2 yr guarantee (with 2 TO's after that) is putting them over the budget.

I refuse to accept this was Brad's thinking. Because it's a false rationale, you need 14 players. A #32 pick will sign for $1.9 million, signing a veteran is going to be a veteran's minimum which will count as $2.2 million on the cap.

It's not like if you don't take a player, you get to carry a 13 man roster, you are still going to sign a 14th player that will cost more than a 32nd pick's salary

Not only that, they can just waive Davidson and Walsh if need be.

I edited my earlier post after I looked up spotrac's salary figures. Rasheer Fleming and Noah Penda both signed deals with a 2025-26 first year salary of $1.27 million ... so the smartest thing to do financially if you have the 32nd pick is to take your best available and sign him to a roster contract. but I guess it's possible that Brad just didn't think there was an NBA player on the board at 32 so why make a guarantee when guys in the 45-60 part of the draft will accept a 2-way.

Honestly, now that Austin Ainge and Remy Cofield have left, maybe we need to hire some scouts? Because I don't understand how a GM can look at the board at #32 and say, "I don't see anybody worth betting on to become an NBA player here."

[cloverleaf]

I think Maine is his ceiling.. i just don't see any single thing He does that will project well for the. N b a.

He's a much better shooter than he's shown here.

A dime a dosen player
You can find one on each European team
I am not impressed by our 2nd rounders

Bassey should get something signed
Roco played well all around
Bridges is good
Lofton also played good. He plays hard, rebounds, sets a mean pick and can score a bunch. We play better with Bassey and Lofton sharing the court

I think Rico, Bassey, and Hugo are the C's 3 rotation players this year from this group. Bridges and Brown have both shown a bit too. It'd really be striking if they signed 2 players from SL to their team. Minnott sounded like a bit of a space cadet in his interview today. I can't imagine Joe playing Lofton with his bad flubs.

[playa-hater]

There isn’t any way you could convince me that Shulga and Williams > Maxime Raynaud.

Lol. They aren't. Came down to Brad not thinking Maxime was worth a guaranteed contract. Maxime or Garza? That is probably the comparison.

If this is true, this is nuts. Just in general missing out on the draft generally because you don't want to guarantee a rookie's first and second year. How does the team expect to compete under this CBA with two max players in their late 20s if they think signing a rookie to a 2 yr guarantee (with 2 TO's after that) is putting them over the budget.

I refuse to accept this was Brad's thinking. Because it's a false rationale, you need 14 players. A #32 pick will sign for $1.9 million, signing a veteran is going to be a veteran's minimum which will count as $2.2 million on the cap.

It's not like if you don't take a player, you get to carry a 13 man roster, you are still going to sign a 14th player that will cost more than a 32nd pick's salary

edit: according to spotrac Noah Penda and Rasheer Fleming both signed roster contracts with a 2025-26 salary cap figure of $1.27 million

Excellent post..

[redslastlaugh]

Lol. They aren't. Came down to Brad not thinking Maxime was worth a guaranteed contract. Maxime or Garza? That is probably the comparison.

If this is true, this is nuts. Just in general missing out on the draft generally because you don't want to guarantee a rookie's first and second year. How does the team expect to compete under this CBA with two max players in their late 20s if they think signing a rookie to a 2 yr guarantee (with 2 TO's after that) is putting them over the budget.

edit: according to spotrac Noah Penda and Rasheer Fleming both signed roster contracts with a 2025-26 salary cap figure of $1.27 million

It is not the size of the contract. It is the value from the spot.

I don't think he wanted a second rookie on the roster this year.

What does he think GMing is?

You take players in the draft and risk they're not worth a roster spot in yr 1 or 2 because the financial upside if they do develop is sooo valuable, years 3 and 4 making peanuts and then team control through ability to match in restricted free agency.

There has not been a single draft this century where there were no players available at #32 that were not 10 year players in the league. Not wanting to swing on that is inexplicable.

This is like the most basic concept of team building, and there is no way to build a team otherwise. Once a player is a productive rookie you can not acquire them and trading all your draft capital for players making $30 million is just going so far over the budget and into the tax that its not sustainable.

[jfs1000d]

i wont be able to sleep tonight until bassey is signed

Celtics have 15 players. They are not going to cut anyone in summer league and they definitely won’t be adding a 16th salary. They may need a spot for Lillard and who knows maybe even Big Al.

If Bassey makes the team it will be a while.

May have to invest in black coffee

They might trade Walsh or cut Walsh/Davidson. Frees up two spots. One for basset, one
For lillard.


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[RB34]

So Bassey?

[return2glory]

I'm hoping for another good game from Classy Charlie Bassey.

Watch on YouTube

He runs the floor well, has good timing on his blocks, is a quick leaper, rebounds really well and is a good passer as well.

Let me bump this.

Classy Charlie Bassey with a great game. 22 points on only 12 shots, 13 rebounds, 3 blocks and 2 steals in 22 minutes. Hoping he makes the Celtics team this season. Bassey and Queta can battle on who starts. Mix in Garza. Brad needs to make room for Bassey.

[Parliament10]

Watch on YouTube

Boxscore:
https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/boxscore/_/gameId/401793906/league/nba-summer-las-vegas



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[jmr07019]

No because they would be that much more over the second apron. The decision to move down had absolutely nothing to do with basketball.

Maybe it should have

Edit: Celtics are 320,000 (ish) over the second apron. The roster spot is already filled with Walsh getting 2.2 million per year but only 200k is guaranteed. I would happily cut him. And then either stretch Tilman or send him out with cash to another team so he is off the books. Celtics could still be under the second apron having drafted a guy at 32.

But is Max better than Garza or Quetta? Not is he better than Amari. I would rather have Garza that Reynaud .


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Fair question. I would rather take the chance at 32 vs where we took Amari. Extra picks are great but Celtics are looking for contributors for next year when Tatum is healthy. It would be good to give them a year of experience, not rely on a rook.

[return2glory]

Nice win.

Bassey was the best player, two games in a row. 22, 13 and 3 blocks to go along with 2 steals.

Baylor played well with 13, 8, 8 and 3 steals. He made a running right hand hook. He is a lefty. People complaining about his shooting like they didn't what Celtic games last season. Baylor was cold the 1st month of the season. He started shooting lights out after that.

Bridges was our 3rd best player with 16, 5, 2 blocks and 2 steals.

Brown was solid too.

[Parliament10]

Celtics are the 5 seed, as of now.
Top 4 Teams play the Semi-Finals, and then Championship.

[jmr07019]

No because they would be that much more over the second apron. The decision to move down had absolutely nothing to do with basketball.

Maybe it should have

Edit: Celtics are 320,000 (ish) over the second apron. The roster spot is already filled with Walsh getting 2.2 million per year but only 200k is guaranteed. I would happily cut him. And then either stretch Tilman or send him out with cash to another team so he is off the books. Celtics could still be under the second apron having drafted a guy at 32.

But is Max better than Garza or Quetta? Not is he better than Amari. I would rather have Garza that Reynaud .


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Fair question. I would rather take the chance at 32 vs where we took Amari. Extra picks are great but Celtics are looking for contributors for next year when Tatum is healthy. It would be good to give them a year of experience, not rely on a rook.

[KamikazeK]

No minutes for hugo?

[Smart2Nesmith43]

I'll say something nice about this summer league team since nobody else wants to. They play real defense which is very rare for summer league. Can't wait to see Hugo again tomorrow.

[return2glory]

Man, some of you are rough on some of these players. It's SL. Lay off Jordan Walsh. You're not Brad. You don't get to decide if he gets cut or not.
I hope you guys aren't like this in real life. It doesn't cost a thing to be kind.

I feel Boston is going with Baylor, Hugo and Minott as our young wings. Bridges might have a chance.

Brad will hopefully make room for Bassey.

Walsh, Amari and Shugla are 2nd round picks. Most of 2nd rounders don't make it in the NBA.

In SL, we only need 1 or 2 guys to show potential to be a rotation player, especially when we didn't have a lottery pick. So far, we have had 3 guys play well. Bassey, Hugo and Baylor. We are on good track for SL. Team is playing hard and getting after it on defense.

[Parliament10]

No minutes for hugo?

He sat OUT today, due to his traveling, etc.

Stevens said that he would sit either Sunday or Monday.