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[ShootingtheJ]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

There was other options, this is the one they chose. Horst was adamant Kuzma was a great fit.

They likely could have used the pick swap to move Patty C. There had to be Brook trades out there. They could have dumped end of the roster guys. There was options.

The best option would have been to dump Dame. Pretty much any package they took back for him would have gotten them under the apron, and would have yielded players better than Kuzma.

[ShootingtheJ]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

Not really sure what you’re getting at here? Horst making a trade to get us under the 2nd apron does not mean Doc is obligated to start him + another bad player both out of position and actively sabotage us with those lineups. He could’ve easily used Kuzma more sparingly in a backup PF role.

Coaches who don't play the GMs guys get canned.

[WiscoKing13]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

There was other options, this is the one they chose. Horst was adamant Kuzma was a great fit.

They likely could have used the pick swap to move Patty C. There had to be Brook trades out there. They could have dumped end of the roster guys. There was options.

The best option would have been to dump Dame. Pretty much any package they took back for him would have gotten them under the apron, and would have yielded players better than Kuzma.

If you have no idea how the CBA and salary cap works this does work out.

But because we've been thru the deadline we know no one was taking on Pats deal or could we trade Brook for 10 million in savings while getting a player back while Bobby is suspended.

[c00lhand208]

If we keep Kuz, here’s hoping Doc was so thoroughly embarrassed after going to bat for him to such an extreme degree that things change from his end.

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

There was other options, this is the one they chose. Horst was adamant Kuzma was a great fit.

They likely could have used the pick swap to move Patty C. There had to be Brook trades out there. They could have dumped end of the roster guys. There was options.

The best option would have been to dump Dame. Pretty much any package they took back for him would have gotten them under the apron, and would have yielded players better than Kuzma.

I had the “shop and sell high on Dame” mindset at the deadline, but I also understood the many who told me I was crazy for even considering it.

[ShootingtheJ]

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

There was other options, this is the one they chose. Horst was adamant Kuzma was a great fit.

They likely could have used the pick swap to move Patty C. There had to be Brook trades out there. They could have dumped end of the roster guys. There was options.

The best option would have been to dump Dame. Pretty much any package they took back for him would have gotten them under the apron, and would have yielded players better than Kuzma.

If you have no idea how the CBA and salary cap works this does work out.

But because we've been thru the deadline we know no one was taking on Pats deal or could we trade Brook for 10 million in savings while getting a player back while Bobby is suspended.

Why are you trying to trade for $10 million in savings if we were less than $6 million over the apron mister cap guru?

[WiscoKing13]

There was other options, this is the one they chose. Horst was adamant Kuzma was a great fit.

They likely could have used the pick swap to move Patty C. There had to be Brook trades out there. They could have dumped end of the roster guys. There was options.

The best option would have been to dump Dame. Pretty much any package they took back for him would have gotten them under the apron, and would have yielded players better than Kuzma.

If you have no idea how the CBA and salary cap works this does work out.

But because we've been thru the deadline we know no one was taking on Pats deal or could we trade Brook for 10 million in savings while getting a player back while Bobby is suspended.

Why are you trying to trade for $10 million in savings if we were less than $6 million over the apron mister cap guru?

Ok it's 6 million. Changes nothing.

[KidA24]

The faith that Doc suddenly understands modern basketball is baffling.

They were outside of the top ten in 3PA/100 last year with that roster they had.

He is going to run Giannis into the ground to grind out 50 wins.

They won't have a higher ceiling in the playoffs because Doc doesn't understand the difference.

35 games starting Kuzma and Prince and he thought that would win in the playoffs and a bunch of you think 3 playoff games taught him to know better.

Doc is the biggest impediment to the team winning a title this year.

[Frank Nova]

“We want to win, Giannis is our centerpiece. Let’s go.” - Peter Feigin

Couldn’t have said it any better.

[ShootingtheJ]

“We want to win, Giannis is our centerpiece. Let’s go.” - Peter Feigin

Couldn’t have said it any better.

Yup, love the shot he took at "click bait stuff"

[-Jragon-]

Pretty clear that was the only deal to get us out of the second apron. Really don't know what else you want the HC to do in that instance.

There was other options, this is the one they chose. Horst was adamant Kuzma was a great fit.

They likely could have used the pick swap to move Patty C. There had to be Brook trades out there. They could have dumped end of the roster guys. There was options.

The best option would have been to dump Dame. Pretty much any package they took back for him would have gotten them under the apron, and would have yielded players better than Kuzma.

I had the “shop and sell high on Dame” mindset at the deadline, but I also understood the many who told me I was crazy for even considering it.

Dame and Giannis becoming MVP-like at the same time for a deep playoff run was hard to pass up for the trades being suggested... Fred Vanvleet and other teams' bench players. Serious trades for similarly talented guys weren't scoffed at

[-Jragon-]

The faith that Doc suddenly understands modern basketball is baffling.

They were outside of the top ten in 3PA/100 last year with that roster they had.

He is going to run Giannis into the ground to grind out 50 wins.

They won't have a higher ceiling in the playoffs because Doc doesn't understand the difference.

35 games starting Kuzma and Prince and he thought that would win in the playoffs and a bunch of you think 3 playoff games taught him to know better.

Doc is the biggest impediment to the team winning a title this year.

If we are a top 5 D and run everything through GA, that Doc proofs us for reg season. We just need some Bud- like minute management. . Without Dame 30 min might be enough for 30+ points many nights and Giannis wont get mad about sitting

[Rstuedes24]

How many times can we trade out a swap best? Like could we use 31 unprotected, 32 swap, and swap bests on any of the Blazer owned picks?

Trade 31 for 3 lesser 1sts, take those, 32 swap and say like a secondary 30 swap for Trey Murphy

That would be a pretty compelling amount of picks no?

[KidA24]

The faith that Doc suddenly understands modern basketball is baffling.

They were outside of the top ten in 3PA/100 last year with that roster they had.

He is going to run Giannis into the ground to grind out 50 wins.

They won't have a higher ceiling in the playoffs because Doc doesn't understand the difference.

35 games starting Kuzma and Prince and he thought that would win in the playoffs and a bunch of you think 3 playoff games taught him to know better.

Doc is the biggest impediment to the team winning a title this year.

If we are a top 5 D and run everything through GA, that Doc proofs us for reg season. We just need some Bud- like minute management. . Without Dame 30 min might be enough for 30+ points many nights and Giannis wont get mad about sitting

Nah.

They will run a 1996 offense and won't blow anyone out just like last year.

They should've led the league in offense last season.

[BroncoBuck]

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[tedbrogen]

as others have stated as well.....i think its

giannis/kuzma
turner/portis

i really dont see kuzma starting

we'll see lineups with portis/giannis and kuzma/turner but i dont think we'll see alot of kuzma/giannis lineups unless we were going really small and thats our front court.

i just think were committed to a different kind of team next year and we know kuzma isnt a fit for that. he literally got benched in the playoffs with brook. rumors are rampant hes available. that is all undeniable. from docs interviews and the moves he already inititated in the playoffs he absolutely sees the light here. this offseason has really shown that with who weve brought in

There’s just no minutes for Kuz at the four. GA/Turner/Bobby will eat almost all the minutes at the 4/5 alone. Any scraps of minutes remaining go to Sims.

Any minutes Kuz gets will be at the 3 and will be taken from AJG/GTJ/Rollins. Even when he looked horrible and the season was on the line, Doc still found a way to play him 17 minutes…

[ShootingtheJ]

as others have stated as well.....i think its

giannis/kuzma
turner/portis

i really dont see kuzma starting

we'll see lineups with portis/giannis and kuzma/turner but i dont think we'll see alot of kuzma/giannis lineups unless we were going really small and thats our front court.

i just think were committed to a different kind of team next year and we know kuzma isnt a fit for that. he literally got benched in the playoffs with brook. rumors are rampant hes available. that is all undeniable. from docs interviews and the moves he already inititated in the playoffs he absolutely sees the light here. this offseason has really shown that with who weve brought in

There’s just no minutes for Kuz at the four. GA/Turner/Bobby will eat almost all the minutes at the 4/5 alone. Any scraps of minutes remaining go to Sims.

Any minutes Kuz gets will be at the 3 and will be taken from AJG/GTJ/Rollins. Even when he looked horrible and the season was on the line, Doc still found a way to play him 17 minutes…

Kuzma played just 13 of the 53 minutes of that OT game.

Kuzma also played just 16 minutes in game 4 despite starting.

[tedbrogen]

as others have stated as well.....i think its

giannis/kuzma
turner/portis

i really dont see kuzma starting

we'll see lineups with portis/giannis and kuzma/turner but i dont think we'll see alot of kuzma/giannis lineups unless we were going really small and thats our front court.

i just think were committed to a different kind of team next year and we know kuzma isnt a fit for that. he literally got benched in the playoffs with brook. rumors are rampant hes available. that is all undeniable. from docs interviews and the moves he already inititated in the playoffs he absolutely sees the light here. this offseason has really shown that with who weve brought in

There’s just no minutes for Kuz at the four. GA/Turner/Bobby will eat almost all the minutes at the 4/5 alone. Any scraps of minutes remaining go to Sims.

Any minutes Kuz gets will be at the 3 and will be taken from AJG/GTJ/Rollins. Even when he looked horrible and the season was on the line, Doc still found a way to play him 17 minutes…

Kuzma played just 13 of the 53 minutes of that OT game

My bad. Still means in the absolute worst case scenario he’s getting 13 minutes per game (we can ignore OT as he wasn’t used in it).

They likely lost that game because of how unplayable Kuz/Prince/Brook were. Having two of those guys back and likely headed for double digit minutes at minimum each at SF is a massive issue.

What’s your honest opinion of the fewest minutes Kuz and Prince will average per game if the roster stays as is and Doc is still the coach?

[ShootingtheJ]

There’s just no minutes for Kuz at the four. GA/Turner/Bobby will eat almost all the minutes at the 4/5 alone. Any scraps of minutes remaining go to Sims.

Any minutes Kuz gets will be at the 3 and will be taken from AJG/GTJ/Rollins. Even when he looked horrible and the season was on the line, Doc still found a way to play him 17 minutes…

Kuzma played just 13 of the 53 minutes of that OT game

My bad. Still means in the absolute worst case scenario he’s getting 13 minutes per game (we can ignore OT as he wasn’t used in it).

They likely lost that game because of how unplayable Kuz/Prince/Brook were. Having two of those guys back and likely headed for double digit minutes at minimum each at SF is a massive issue.

What’s your honest opinion of the fewest minutes Kuz and Prince will average per game if the roster stays as is and Doc is still the coach?

No need to answer because the roster isn't done.

[tedbrogen]

Kuzma played just 13 of the 53 minutes of that OT game

My bad. Still means in the absolute worst case scenario he’s getting 13 minutes per game (we can ignore OT as he wasn’t used in it).

They likely lost that game because of how unplayable Kuz/Prince/Brook were. Having two of those guys back and likely headed for double digit minutes at minimum each at SF is a massive issue.

What’s your honest opinion of the fewest minutes Kuz and Prince will average per game if the roster stays as is and Doc is still the coach?

No need to answer because the roster isn't done.

Thanks for confirming I’m right!

[RiotPunch]

With regard to Cole, he shouldn't be cutting into Rollins or Dairy's PT. The beauty of Rollins is that he can scale up defensively to guard 2's, and Dairy can hold his own against 3's. If anything, it cuts into Prince minutes.

KPJ / Cole
Green / Rollins
GTJ / Prince
Giannis / Kuz
Turner / Portis / Sims

Not ideal wing size, but that's a pretty functional rotation, IMO. A Kuz plus stuff for starting caliber wing rabbit out of Horst's ass would help, though.