Realistic Wish List???

[Wizenheimer]

Regarding your resigning Deni point - what do you mean? Jrue's contract is up by the time Deni's is. 2027-28 is the last year of both of their contracts.

I posted about this in another thread already, but letting Deni go to UFA would be a major mistake, certainly one that POR fans should know all too well about. Look what just happened to IND and they were in the championship

Because of the nature of Deni’s contract, value vs his worth on open market and descending in value, limits (120% if I recall) on extending from that contract and his years of service (can make up to 30% of cap, approx $56mil) POR will need to be somewhere in that vicinity under the cap in order to sign him

Hard to predict what other salaries will be on the books by then. Camara (if he does not take the 4yr/$89 deal) will be at\north of $30mil, Sharpe (if he doesn't take the Smith Jr 5yr\$122 deal) will also be north of $30, Scoot will be at $30? $35, Yang @ $7.5, Clingan's cap hold will be @ $29m, 1-2 or more draft picks at anywhere from $10-15mil is ikely & it is doubtful they would not have a few other contracts on the books as well 3 years from now

That is roughly $146 or so, not factoring in any other salary on the books 4 years from now, leaving $36+ mil or so, likely not enough. So doable yes, but the big part you are ignoring is that he will be free to go wherever he wants and POR has no sway, that is a huge risk and signing him a year earlier is just as\if not more problematic given the $73+ mil owed to Jrue & Grant

I don't believe the Blazer have a choice...Avdija will become UFA

I think we can dispense with the notion of Portland having any cap-space. Trading for Jrue wile keeping Grant wiped that option out. Sharpe and Camara will be signing extensions; so will Scoot. Even if by some miracle the Blazers had a little space it won't be near enough to give Avdija the type of contract he'll demand

as for extending him...forget it. The provision is his max would be 140% of his previous salary. and there are no options in his current deal. IIRC, any extension be based on the final salary of his current contract: $11,875,000. LOL...1st year would be 16.6M. Even if the extension was based upon his salary next season the first year would only be 20M. He'll never sign for that little

I got a bunch of crap for pointing at this when the trade was announced. People were really excited abut Avdija's budget contract. And it is a great deal for Portland. But the very thing that made it a steal, also meant he'd become UFA in 2028. The scary thing about that is that 3/4 of the picks used to land Avdija: the 2029 first and the 2028 + 2030 2nds could all be shipped to the Wizards when Avdija is on another team

[dckingsfan]

It is getting a bit thin now, still wish we had jumped on Vuk but:

Trey Lyles, Richaun Holmes (probable), Thomas Bryant, Jared Butler, Markelle Fultz are still left.

Trey Lyles a PF, a couple of Cs and a couple of PGs. Who else did I miss?

[PDXKnight]

Regarding your resigning Deni point - what do you mean? Jrue's contract is up by the time Deni's is. 2027-28 is the last year of both of their contracts.

I posted about this in another thread already, but letting Deni go to UFA would be a major mistake, certainly one that POR fans should know all too well about. Look what just happened to IND and they were in the championship

Because of the nature of Deni’s contract, value vs his worth on open market and descending in value, limits (120% if I recall) on extending from that contract and his years of service (can make up to 30% of cap, approx $56mil) POR will need to be somewhere in that vicinity under the cap in order to sign him

Hard to predict what other salaries will be on the books by then. Camara (if he does not take the 4yr/$89 deal) will be at\north of $30mil, Sharpe (if he doesn't take the Smith Jr 5yr\$122 deal) will also be north of $30, Scoot will be at $30? $35, Yang @ $7.5, Clingan's cap hold will be @ $29m, 1-2 or more draft picks at anywhere from $10-15mil is ikely & it is doubtful they would not have a few other contracts on the books as well 3 years from now

That is roughly $146 or so, not factoring in any other salary on the books 4 years from now, leaving $36+ mil or so, likely not enough. So doable yes, but the big part you are ignoring is that he will be free to go wherever he wants and POR has no sway, that is a huge risk and signing him a year earlier is just as\if not more problematic given the $73+ mil owed to Jrue & Grant

I don't believe the Blazer have a choice...Avdija will become UFA

I think we can dispense with the notion of Portland having any cap-space. Trading for Jrue wile keeping Grant wiped that option out. Sharpe and Camara will be signing extensions; so will Scoot. Even if by some miracle the Blazers had a little space it won't be near enough to give Avdija the type of contract he'll demand

as for extending him...forget it. The provision is his max would be 140% of his previous salary. and there are no options in his current deal. IIRC, any extension be based on the final salary of his current contract: $11,875,000. LOL...1st year would be 16.6M. Even if the extension was based upon his salary next season the first year would only be 20M. He'll never sign for that little

I got a bunch of crap for pointing at this when the trade was announced. People were really excited abut Avdija's budget contract. And it is a great deal for Portland. But the very thing that made it a steal, also meant he'd become UFA in 2028. The scary thing about that is that 3/4 of the picks used to land Avdija: the 2029 first and the 2028 + 2030 2nds could all be shipped to the Wizards when Avdija is on another team

Id imagine deni would've tested ufa one way or another but this situation is certainly scary as it would seem we have almost no advantage in retaining him. In one sense itd be sort of nice if the rebuild failed in regards to deni. If we had to trade him with 1-2 years remaining maybe theres decent draft capital to be had or at least far more than a s&t or losing him for nothing

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Yeah, Deni's contract is great but it's a double edged sword. The team obviously disagrees but I don't think we are in a position to make the most out of his bargain years, we are just going to waste them away and when we are ready for the big time he will be getting paid a more fair but more burdensome price.

I would be asking an arm and a leg from OKC for him though. They have the draft capital and would be a place that could really use his contract status so might pay top price for him... but every year we keep Deni his value on that contract goes down.

We will have bird rights and don't think our salary is so bad as to prevent us matching a max contract to him when the time comes, so we wont be straight up out-bid if we don't want to be, but he can still choose somewhere else for the same money. If we want to keep him we need to be selling him on why Portland is a great place for him to call his home.

Would it be legal for the team and Deni to negotiate an early end to his contract? Not an extension but just a mutually agreed upon early free agency. It would be a good show of faith from us to tear up the last year of a bargain contract in order to get him his money early and might give us a better chance at an inside track to retaining him. But in that scenario he would technically just be a UFA one year sooner and again relying on good faith and appreciation for letting him get big money sooner rather than later. Sometimes that works but other times, business is business.

[oldfishermen]

Yeah, Deni's contract is great but it's a double edged sword. The team obviously disagrees but I don't think we are in a position to make the most out of his bargain years, we are just going to waste them away and when we are ready for the big time he will be getting paid a more fair but more burdensome price.

I would be asking an arm and a leg from OKC for him though. They have the draft capital and would be a place that could really use his contract status so might pay top price for him... but every year we keep Deni his value on that contract goes down.

We will have bird rights and don't think our salary is so bad as to prevent us matching a max contract to him when the time comes, so we wont be straight up out-bid if we don't want to be, but he can still choose somewhere else for the same money. If we want to keep him we need to be selling him on why Portland is a great place for him to call his home.

Would it be legal for the team and Deni to negotiate an early end to his contract? Not an extension but just a mutually agreed upon early free agency. It would be a good show of faith from us to tear up the last year of a bargain contract in order to get him his money early and might give us a better chance at an inside track to retaining him. But in that scenario he would technically just be a UFA one year sooner and again relying on good faith and appreciation for letting him get big money sooner rather than later. Sometimes that works but other times, business is business.

Just looked at OKC's future draft picks. There are a lot of SRPs. None of their future FRPs project to be in the lottery, unless the sky falls on OKC, Denver, or Dallas.

[Wizenheimer]

Would it be legal for the team and Deni to negotiate an early end to his contract? Not an extension but just a mutually agreed upon early free agency. It would be a good show of faith from us to tear up the last year of a bargain contract in order to get him his money early and might give us a better chance at an inside track to retaining him. But in that scenario he would technically just be a UFA one year sooner and again relying on good faith and appreciation for letting him get big money sooner rather than later. Sometimes that works but other times, business is business.

I'm not positive but I don't know if that would be legal other than by using a buy-out. Otherwise, teams would be doing it all the time. I'd imagine the NBA would shut that down in a hurry

my guess is that in any kind of mutually agreed contract cancellation the Blazers, and Deni, would lose all Bird Rights

[Dame Lizard]

Regarding your resigning Deni point - what do you mean? Jrue's contract is up by the time Deni's is. 2027-28 is the last year of both of their contracts.

I posted about this in another thread already, but letting Deni go to UFA would be a major mistake, certainly one that POR fans should know all too well about. Look what just happened to IND and they were in the championship

Because of the nature of Deni’s contract, value vs his worth on open market and descending in value, limits (120% if I recall) on extending from that contract and his years of service (can make up to 30% of cap, approx $56mil) POR will need to be somewhere in that vicinity under the cap in order to sign him

Hard to predict what other salaries will be on the books by then. Camara (if he does not take the 4yr/$89 deal) will be at\north of $30mil, Sharpe (if he doesn't take the Smith Jr 5yr\$122 deal) will also be north of $30, Scoot will be at $30? $35, Yang @ $7.5, Clingan's cap hold will be @ $29m, 1-2 or more draft picks at anywhere from $10-15mil is ikely & it is doubtful they would not have a few other contracts on the books as well 3 years from now

That is roughly $146 or so, not factoring in any other salary on the books 4 years from now, leaving $36+ mil or so, likely not enough. So doable yes, but the big part you are ignoring is that he will be free to go wherever he wants and POR has no sway, that is a huge risk and signing him a year earlier is just as\if not more problematic given the $73+ mil owed to Jrue & Grant

I don't believe the Blazer have a choice...Avdija will become UFA

I think we can dispense with the notion of Portland having any cap-space. Trading for Jrue wile keeping Grant wiped that option out. Sharpe and Camara will be signing extensions; so will Scoot. Even if by some miracle the Blazers had a little space it won't be near enough to give Avdija the type of contract he'll demand

as for extending him...forget it. The provision is his max would be 140% of his previous salary. and there are no options in his current deal. IIRC, any extension be based on the final salary of his current contract: $11,875,000. LOL...1st year would be 16.6M. Even if the extension was based upon his salary next season the first year would only be 20M. He'll never sign for that little

I got a bunch of crap for pointing at this when the trade was announced. People were really excited abut Avdija's budget contract. And it is a great deal for Portland. But the very thing that made it a steal, also meant he'd become UFA in 2028. The scary thing about that is that 3/4 of the picks used to land Avdija: the 2029 first and the 2028 + 2030 2nds could all be shipped to the Wizards when Avdija is on another team

Yeah that Deni contract situation is scary - I wasn't aware of that. I was always somewhat attracted to the notion of trading him at some point, given his incredible contract is wasted on a rebuilding team - when he'd be an absolute gem for a contender.

This makes me feel this way even more.

[Walton1one]

Yes, they could sign Deni to a new deal but only if it is for more than he is making AND they have to be under the salary cap to pay the additional amount needed. I wrote about it somewhere and there was a thread\comments section on BE talking about how you could do it, but the key is again, POR has to be under the cap and they are nowhere near that & it becomes much more problematic now that Jrue is on the roster

Dealing Grant for expiring for example, could give them the needed space (and letting RW3 & Thybulle walk for nothing), but Cronin has not shown a willingness to do that, other than Ayton but he allegedly approached them and asked for a buyout & I maintain that Simons was dealt b/c he probably told Cronin he wanted to test FA and Cronin panicked and tried to replace him with a comparable player, Jrue is better but age\injuries\contract level that difference by quite a lot, but in Cronin’s mind keep them in the “competitive zone”.

Just that they are competing for nothing, going into Y5, new ownership inbound at some point, never even sniffed .500 yet, these latest moves, like last years’ idiotic playin run reeks of desperation by Cronin to show on some level that his master plan is working, spoiler it isn’t

[dckingsfan]

I think you wait to see what Deni does this year. If he breaks out - you extend him next year. If not, you don't and look at him as a trade asset in '27-28.

The question is how will they do this season? Regress, stay the same or improve. And what about their other players? Does Camara breakout? Scoot? Does Clingan show a jump? Or shmaybe Rupert?

Then there will be next year's draft, will they lose the pick, get a mid-range pick or get lucky.

And then there is ownership and what they decide to do...

There are a lot of "interesting" moving parts right now.

[GEE]

Speaking of new ownership, I do wonder what Phil Knight and son think of our new addition that's going to be all the rave in China this coming year.

[BlazersBroncos]

I am fine with this being the starting night roster - my real wish list is player improvement.

Yang - 18-20mpg
Clingan - Advanced stats mirror or slightly better than rookie year with more mpg, 32-34% 3, less fouls
Sharpe - 35%+ 3, slight improvement in DBPM, 4 FTA per game
Deni - Continues level from post 24/25 ASG
MT - Health
Scoot - Improvement from rookie to Y2 is mirrored Y2 to Y3 (Ex - EFG as rookie was 44, Y2 was 49, Y3 54)
Grant - not starting, playing under 28mpg, revert to career averages shooting
Holiday - Return to career averages shooting, mirrors play in advanced stats from BOS tenure
Camara - improvement in OBPM from -0.9 to closer to -0.3 to 0.0, 40% 3PT
RWIII - Health, mobility to play some PF allowing the kids at C to keep minutes up while ensuring RWIII gets some run when healthy

That’s my wish list. Tried to keep it so reasonable as to border boring.

[Wizenheimer]

Yes, they could sign Deni to a new deal but only if it is for more than he is making AND they have to be under the salary cap to pay the additional amount needed.

I'm not sure that's accurate, but I might be misunderstanding you and we're saying the same thing

my thinking is this: the CBA allows the Blazers to give Deni a 40% raise with their Bird exception. His final salary in 11.875M. Unfortunately, there is no player or team option with that salary, so there's no mechanism to go back a year, or two, to begin the extension. Anyway, 140% of 11.875M is 16.625M. So the Blazers could give him a 4.75M raise. Pathetic

anyway, if Portland wanted to use cap-space instead of the 40% provision, I believe they would lose that 4.75M cushion and the counter would re-set to 11.875M. So ALL of Deni's raise would have to come from cap-space. I guess that's a quibble, and maybe it's wrong, but that's my perspective unless I hear otherwise

frankly Deni should fire his agent. That diminishing yearly salary is not a good contract

[tester551]

Yes, they could sign Deni to a new deal but only if it is for more than he is making AND they have to be under the salary cap to pay the additional amount needed.

I'm not sure that's accurate, but I might be misunderstanding you and we're saying the same thing

my thinking is this: the CBA allows the Blazers to give Deni a 40% raise with their Bird exception. His final salary in 11.875M. Unfortunately, there is no player or team option with that salary, so there's no mechanism to go back a year, or two, to begin the extension. Anyway, 140% of 11.875M is 16.625M. So the Blazers could give him a 4.75M raise. Pathetic

anyway, if Portland wanted to use cap-space instead of the 40% provision, I believe they would lose that 4.75M cushion and the counter would re-set to 11.875M. So ALL of Deni's raise would have to come from cap-space. I guess that's a quibble, and maybe it's wrong, but that's my perspective unless I hear otherwise

frankly Deni should fire his agent. That diminishing yearly salary is not a good contract

This only applies if Portland extends Deni's current contract (before June 2028).

If Deni goes to UFA in July 2028, Portland can offer up to a max contract (assuming Deni is worth that)

[Wizenheimer]

Yes, they could sign Deni to a new deal but only if it is for more than he is making AND they have to be under the salary cap to pay the additional amount needed.

I'm not sure that's accurate, but I might be misunderstanding you and we're saying the same thing

my thinking is this: the CBA allows the Blazers to give Deni a 40% raise with their Bird exception. His final salary in 11.875M. Unfortunately, there is no player or team option with that salary, so there's no mechanism to go back a year, or two, to begin the extension. Anyway, 140% of 11.875M is 16.625M. So the Blazers could give him a 4.75M raise. Pathetic

anyway, if Portland wanted to use cap-space instead of the 40% provision, I believe they would lose that 4.75M cushion and the counter would re-set to 11.875M. So ALL of Deni's raise would have to come from cap-space. I guess that's a quibble, and maybe it's wrong, but that's my perspective unless I hear otherwise

frankly Deni should fire his agent. That diminishing yearly salary is not a good contract

This only applies if Portland extends Deni's current contract (before June 2028).

If Deni goes to UFA in July 2028, Portland can offer up to a max contract (assuming Deni is worth that)

I know. I was just replying to a poster about the two ways Portland could sign Avdija to an extension

the contract Avdija signed just about guaranteed he'd be UFA in 2028

I wrote about Avdija becoming UFA in another thread:

the projected salary cap in 2028-29 is 205M (206.4M according to Forbes)

Avdija will be past the 7-year vet threshold so his scale will be a max 30% of the cap (assuming he's not eligible for the supermax)

so then, his max base salary would be 61.5M with 4.92M step raises. Meaning Deni's Max contract could be a 5-year/356M deal. That's 71M/year folks

now, if he's all-NBA by then and eligible for a super-max (very unlikely but you never know), then his max would be a 4-year/416M deal. Brace yourselves: that's 83M year.

now, the odds he'll warrant that kind of investment are extremely low. The problem is he and his agent will know what the max-level deals look like because they can do math and will have seen lots of insane contracts being signed. Portland will be pushing against that rising tide

[Norm2953]

This of course assumes Deni wishes to be here long term for he could craft a contract that sets him to be
paid, when the team is able to pay him

[zzaj]

Regarding your resigning Deni point - what do you mean? Jrue's contract is up by the time Deni's is. 2027-28 is the last year of both of their contracts.

I posted about this in another thread already, but letting Deni go to UFA would be a major mistake, certainly one that POR fans should know all too well about. Look what just happened to IND and they were in the championship

Because of the nature of Deni’s contract, value vs his worth on open market and descending in value, limits (120% if I recall) on extending from that contract and his years of service (can make up to 30% of cap, approx $56mil) POR will need to be somewhere in that vicinity under the cap in order to sign him

Hard to predict what other salaries will be on the books by then. Camara (if he does not take the 4yr/$89 deal) will be at\north of $30mil, Sharpe (if he doesn't take the Smith Jr 5yr\$122 deal) will also be north of $30, Scoot will be at $30? $35, Yang @ $7.5, Clingan's cap hold will be @ $29m, 1-2 or more draft picks at anywhere from $10-15mil is ikely & it is doubtful they would not have a few other contracts on the books as well 3 years from now

That is roughly $146 or so, not factoring in any other salary on the books 4 years from now, leaving $36+ mil or so, likely not enough. So doable yes, but the big part you are ignoring is that he will be free to go wherever he wants and POR has no sway, that is a huge risk and signing him a year earlier is just as\if not more problematic given the $73+ mil owed to Jrue & Grant

I don't believe the Blazer have a choice...Avdija will become UFA

I think we can dispense with the notion of Portland having any cap-space. Trading for Jrue wile keeping Grant wiped that option out. Sharpe and Camara will be signing extensions; so will Scoot. Even if by some miracle the Blazers had a little space it won't be near enough to give Avdija the type of contract he'll demand

as for extending him...forget it. The provision is his max would be 140% of his previous salary. and there are no options in his current deal. IIRC, any extension be based on the final salary of his current contract: $11,875,000. LOL...1st year would be 16.6M. Even if the extension was based upon his salary next season the first year would only be 20M. He'll never sign for that little

I got a bunch of crap for pointing at this when the trade was announced. People were really excited abut Avdija's budget contract. And it is a great deal for Portland. But the very thing that made it a steal, also meant he'd become UFA in 2028. The scary thing about that is that 3/4 of the picks used to land Avdija: the 2029 first and the 2028 + 2030 2nds could all be shipped to the Wizards when Avdija is on another team

You certainly didn’t get crap from me…It’s been my main worry since the trade. Either he’s not good enough to warrant the trade, or he’s too good to warrant the contract—Blazers stuck themselves into a double-bind.

IMHO, it’s going to take a minor miracle to keep Deni.

[Walton1one]

Would it be legal for the team and Deni to negotiate an early end to his contract? Not an extension but just a mutually agreed upon early free agency. It would be a good show of faith from us to tear up the last year of a bargain contract in order to get him his money early and might give us a better chance at an inside track to retaining him. But in that scenario he would technically just be a UFA one year sooner and again relying on good faith and appreciation for letting him get big money sooner rather than later. Sometimes that works but other times, business is business.

I'm not positive but I don't know if that would be legal other than by using a buy-out. Otherwise, teams would be doing it all the time. I'd imagine the NBA would shut that down in a hurry

my guess is that in any kind of mutually agreed contract cancellation the Blazers, and Deni, would lose all Bird Rights

Yes it can be done, but only under certain parameters

I did not know about the 3rd anniversary of the contract signing, so that means it has to be done in 26/27 or 27/28, and they now have Jrue & Grant locked up for those years, even getting players back expiring 1 year earlier (in 27/28) would be beneficial. I thought it was also stipulated the contract had to be for more than the current salary, not less.

So can an NBA team actually renegotiate a contract with one of its players? The answer is almost always no, and it’s a firm no if the follow-up question is whether the sides can renegotiate the value of the contract downward...Perhaps most importantly, teams can’t renegotiate any contracts if they’re over the cap, and they can only increase the player’s salary in the current season by the amount of cap room that they have (or to the player’s maximum salary).

The raises for any seasons that follow the first renegotiated season in a contract are limited to 8%. That’s also true of salary decreases, though if a renegotiation happens at the same time as an extension, the player’s salary can decrease by as much as 40% from the last season of the existing contract to the first season of the extension.

Contract Length:
Only contracts with a minimum of four seasons can be renegotiated. Rookie scale deals, even though they last four years, are excluded.

Time:
Renegotiations can only happen after the third anniversary of the contract's signing, an extension, or a previous renegotiation.

Salary Cap:
A team must be under the salary cap to be eligible for a renegotiation.

Agreement:
Both the player and the team must agree to the renegotiation. It's not something a player can unilaterally demand.
Renegotiations can involve various adjustments, including increasing the player's salary, adding or removing contract clauses, or restructuring the payment schedule. However, the specific terms of the renegotiation are subject to negotiation between the player and the team.
For example, a team might renegotiate a contract to free up salary cap space, while a player might renegotiate for a higher salary or more guaranteed

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/hoops-rumors-glossary-renegotiations-3.html





Salary cap is $172.7 in 27/28 per Spotrac

- Jrue $37.2
- Grant $36.4
- Scoot cap hold of $40.8
- Sharpe $30?
- Camara $30
- Clingan $9.5
- Yang - $4.9
- 26' &\or 27' draft picks $10-15
Murray also has a cap hold of $15.9, but let's assume they let him walk

That is $198mil or so, even if they resigned Scoot for $30, ok now at $188

Only have 1 draft pick in either 26 or 27 (let's say they make playoffs one of those years, a stretch IMO, but possible) so $8 mil or so instead of $15, ok now $181

Plus, I forgot Deni's deal + $11.8, it counts against the cap, but that would be absorbed back whenever they resign him

In short, a mess, they have to unload one\both of Jrue\Grant for expiring in 26/27 or 27/28 in order to create the wiggle room under the cap to resign Deni BEFORE he becomes a UFA, and he has to WANT to do that

[Wizenheimer]

Would it be legal for the team and Deni to negotiate an early end to his contract? Not an extension but just a mutually agreed upon early free agency. It would be a good show of faith from us to tear up the last year of a bargain contract in order to get him his money early and might give us a better chance at an inside track to retaining him. But in that scenario he would technically just be a UFA one year sooner and again relying on good faith and appreciation for letting him get big money sooner rather than later. Sometimes that works but other times, business is business.

I'm not positive but I don't know if that would be legal other than by using a buy-out. Otherwise, teams would be doing it all the time. I'd imagine the NBA would shut that down in a hurry

my guess is that in any kind of mutually agreed contract cancellation the Blazers, and Deni, would lose all Bird Rights

Yes it can be done, but only under certain parameters

I did not know about the 3rd anniversary of the contract signing, so that means it has to be done in 26/27 or 27/28, and they now have Jrue & Grant locked up for those years, even getting players back expiring 1 year earlier (in 27/28) would be beneficial. I thought it was also stipulated the contract had to be for more than the current salary, not less.

So can an NBA team actually renegotiate a contract with one of its players? The answer is almost always no, and it’s a firm no if the follow-up question is whether the sides can renegotiate the value of the contract downward...Perhaps most importantly, teams can’t renegotiate any contracts if they’re over the cap, and they can only increase the player’s salary in the current season by the amount of cap room that they have (or to the player’s maximum salary).

The raises for any seasons that follow the first renegotiated season in a contract are limited to 8%. That’s also true of salary decreases, though if a renegotiation happens at the same time as an extension, the player’s salary can decrease by as much as 40% from the last season of the existing contract to the first season of the extension.

Contract Length:
Only contracts with a minimum of four seasons can be renegotiated. Rookie scale deals, even though they last four years, are excluded.

Time:
Renegotiations can only happen after the third anniversary of the contract's signing, an extension, or a previous renegotiation.

Salary Cap:
A team must be under the salary cap to be eligible for a renegotiation.

Agreement:
Both the player and the team must agree to the renegotiation. It's not something a player can unilaterally demand.
Renegotiations can involve various adjustments, including increasing the player's salary, adding or removing contract clauses, or restructuring the payment schedule. However, the specific terms of the renegotiation are subject to negotiation between the player and the team.
For example, a team might renegotiate a contract to free up salary cap space, while a player might renegotiate for a higher salary or more guaranteed

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/hoops-rumors-glossary-renegotiations-3.html





Salary cap is $172.7 in 27/28 per Spotrac

- Jrue $37.2
- Grant $36.4
- Scoot cap hold of $40.8
- Sharpe $30?
- Camara $30
- Clingan $9.5
- Yang - $4.9
- 26' &\or 27' draft picks $10-15
Murray also has a cap hold of $15.9, but let's assume they let him walk

That is $198mil or so, even if they resigned Scoot for $30, ok now at $188

Only have 1 draft pick in either 26 or 27 (let's say they make playoffs one of those years, a stretch IMO, but possible) so $8 mil or so instead of $15, ok now $181

Plus, I forgot Deni's deal + $11.8, it counts against the cap, but that would be absorbed back whenever they resign him

In short, a mess, they have to unload one\both of Jrue\Grant for expiring in 26/27 or 27/28 in order to create the wiggle room under the cap to resign Deni BEFORE he becomes a UFA, and he has to WANT to do that

that's just a lot of words to say Avdija will be UFA in 2028

[DaVoiceMaster]

I'm not positive but I don't know if that would be legal other than by using a buy-out. Otherwise, teams would be doing it all the time. I'd imagine the NBA would shut that down in a hurry

my guess is that in any kind of mutually agreed contract cancellation the Blazers, and Deni, would lose all Bird Rights

Yes it can be done, but only under certain parameters

I did not know about the 3rd anniversary of the contract signing, so that means it has to be done in 26/27 or 27/28, and they now have Jrue & Grant locked up for those years, even getting players back expiring 1 year earlier (in 27/28) would be beneficial. I thought it was also stipulated the contract had to be for more than the current salary, not less.

So can an NBA team actually renegotiate a contract with one of its players? The answer is almost always no, and it’s a firm no if the follow-up question is whether the sides can renegotiate the value of the contract downward...Perhaps most importantly, teams can’t renegotiate any contracts if they’re over the cap, and they can only increase the player’s salary in the current season by the amount of cap room that they have (or to the player’s maximum salary).

The raises for any seasons that follow the first renegotiated season in a contract are limited to 8%. That’s also true of salary decreases, though if a renegotiation happens at the same time as an extension, the player’s salary can decrease by as much as 40% from the last season of the existing contract to the first season of the extension.

Contract Length:
Only contracts with a minimum of four seasons can be renegotiated. Rookie scale deals, even though they last four years, are excluded.

Time:
Renegotiations can only happen after the third anniversary of the contract's signing, an extension, or a previous renegotiation.

Salary Cap:
A team must be under the salary cap to be eligible for a renegotiation.

Agreement:
Both the player and the team must agree to the renegotiation. It's not something a player can unilaterally demand.
Renegotiations can involve various adjustments, including increasing the player's salary, adding or removing contract clauses, or restructuring the payment schedule. However, the specific terms of the renegotiation are subject to negotiation between the player and the team.
For example, a team might renegotiate a contract to free up salary cap space, while a player might renegotiate for a higher salary or more guaranteed

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/hoops-rumors-glossary-renegotiations-3.html





Salary cap is $172.7 in 27/28 per Spotrac

- Jrue $37.2
- Grant $36.4
- Scoot cap hold of $40.8
- Sharpe $30?
- Camara $30
- Clingan $9.5
- Yang - $4.9
- 26' &\or 27' draft picks $10-15
Murray also has a cap hold of $15.9, but let's assume they let him walk

That is $198mil or so, even if they resigned Scoot for $30, ok now at $188

Only have 1 draft pick in either 26 or 27 (let's say they make playoffs one of those years, a stretch IMO, but possible) so $8 mil or so instead of $15, ok now $181

Plus, I forgot Deni's deal + $11.8, it counts against the cap, but that would be absorbed back whenever they resign him

In short, a mess, they have to unload one\both of Jrue\Grant for expiring in 26/27 or 27/28 in order to create the wiggle room under the cap to resign Deni BEFORE he becomes a UFA, and he has to WANT to do that

that's just a lot of words to say Avdija will be UFA in 2028

Couple questions...

Does it simply come down to a percentage the Blazers can offer, which will likely be well below his worth?

If the Blazers are able to shed some salary (Grant and/or Holiday) before then, would they be able to extend Deni? If yes, how much would they need to shed?

[Wizenheimer]

Couple questions...

Does it simply come down to a percentage the Blazers can offer, which will likely be well below his worth?

If the Blazers are able to shed some salary (Grant and/or Holiday) before then, would they be able to extend Deni? If yes, how much would they need to shed?

probably should just forget about an extension. Portland won't be able to create enough cap-space, IMO. Not unless they lose Camara, and don't re-sign at least one of Sharpe and Scoot....at the same time they miraculously dump on of Jrue and Grant for 0 money being on the books. The Blazers had a very remote shot at extending Avdija before they exchanged Simons and his expiring contract for Jrue's 3 year deal. After that trade, 'very remote' became 'forget about it'

Jrue & Grant - 70-73M
Sharpe & Scoot - 60M
Camara 22M
Clingan 8M
Yang 5M

that right there is 165M and it's only for 7 players; only half a roster; gotta figure another 25-30M. So then, 190-200M in payroll. The salary cap over this year and the next 2 seasons will be around 154M - 169M - 186M. If Avdija's next deal has a base salary of 42M, 30M of that would have to come from cap-space. The math is uncompromising. If Portland wanted to extend Avdija in 2027-28, they likely have to cut 15-20M in salary just to get to the cap line; then cut another 30M. Even dumping one of Grant/Jrue with no salary coming back that year would not be near enough

on the other hand, in July of 2028 the Blazers can give Deni more money than any other team. Yeah, the risk is he walks, but the Blazers completely committed to that risk when they traded for him and that contract