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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Mon, July 14, 8:00PM) 

Post#1081 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:40 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:I don't expect Davison and Walsh to be on the team and by the way all two ways are not safe including Norris. There is a reason why Stevens hasn't locked up players in two ways yet. I expect the week following summer league you will see a lot of activity from the Celtics at the bottom of the roster.


I doubt Tillman is here anyway, but I don't think he's got any shot if they bag Bassey. Also, the C's can balloon their roster to 21 before the season, so they don't have to do immediate dumps to match any adds.
But if the Celtics can’t dump a player they will have to eat the contract. Celtics won’t do that because of 2nd apron issues. Bassey won’t be offered a contract unless there is a trade or someone is released in my opinion


Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.
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Post#1082 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:41 pm

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cloverleaf wrote:
I doubt Tillman is here anyway, but I don't think he's got any shot if they bag Bassey. Also, the C's can balloon their roster to 21 before the season, so they don't have to do immediate dumps to match any adds.
But if the Celtics can’t dump a player they will have to eat the contract. Celtics won’t do that because of 2nd apron issues. Bassey won’t be offered a contract unless there is a trade or someone is released in my opinion


Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.

We’ll see what Stevens does next week after summer league
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Post#1083 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:43 pm

If Shulga sticks around and ends up in Maine, I'll look forward to an offense moving and being initiated with time left on the shot clock. It drove me bonkers watching Davison dribble the clock down to under 10 seconds and then deciding to do something, whether it be for himself or someone else.

Get the ball past halfcourt and get the offense moving. That's what I want to see, basketball 101.

I'm telling you, Davison could have played more with the big club last season for sure, but he bogs down the offense with dribbling.
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Post#1084 » by brackdan70 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:55 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Good stuff from Walsh. A skill that can help provide value for our team this season..

Read on Twitter

Yep. Some people seem to want him gone but aT his age he still has a ton of upside and has the physical tools.
This year is the perfect chance to give him some more run and make a decision on him as a future piece or not.


That's 3 years of screen drills. I'd hope that's the outcome of that.

Those fouls yesterday were space cadet high level skill. No excuses for any of them, especially the one after the turnover that he gave an And 1.

For the most part, the one thing he has realized is pass the ball immediately when he gets it if a defender closes out on him.

I'd take Peterson over him and Davison.

Peterson has no upside and will never be a rotation player. Waste of a roster spot imo.
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Post#1085 » by Hal14 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:03 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
I doubt Tillman is here anyway, but I don't think he's got any shot if they bag Bassey. Also, the C's can balloon their roster to 21 before the season, so they don't have to do immediate dumps to match any adds.
But if the Celtics can’t dump a player they will have to eat the contract. Celtics won’t do that because of 2nd apron issues. Bassey won’t be offered a contract unless there is a trade or someone is released in my opinion


Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.

I don't think the Celtic are going to be trading guys or cutting guys or making all kinds of roster moves based on Charles Bassey - a guy who has been sitting there as a FA all offseason yet all 30 teams have declined to offer him a standard contract..all he's been able to get is a summer league roster spot which is why he's having to play SL, despite being 24, with 4 years of NBA experience.

JD is 22 with 3 yrs of NBA experience and isn't playing summer league, (even though our SL team has no PG's)... because he's too good for it. Bassey is 24, with 4 yrs of NBA experience and is playing summer league, coming off the bench.

That tells us something..
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Post#1086 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:25 pm

Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:But if the Celtics can’t dump a player they will have to eat the contract. Celtics won’t do that because of 2nd apron issues. Bassey won’t be offered a contract unless there is a trade or someone is released in my opinion


Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.

I don't think the Celtic are going to be trading guys or cutting guys or making all kinds of roster moves based on Charles Bassey - a guy who has been sitting there as a FA all offseason yet all 30 teams have declined to offer him a standard contract..all he's been able to get is a summer league roster spot which is why he's having to play SL, despite being 24, with 4 years of NBA experience.

JD is 22 with 3 yrs of NBA experience and isn't playing summer league, (even though our SL team has no PG's)... because he's too good for it. Bassey is 24, with 4 yrs of NBA experience and is playing summer league, coming off the bench.

That tells us something..

Davison is never going to play in my opinion. Celtics have Brown, Pritchard, White, Simons and I think they want to work Gonzalez into that role as primary ball handler. Doesn't leave much for Davison. That's why I don't think he makes the team. Stevens probably trying to find him a home.
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Post#1087 » by Hal14 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:33 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Davison is never going to ball in my opinion. Celtics have Brown, Pritchard, White, Simons and I think they want to work Gonzalez into that role. Doesn't leave much for Davison. That's why I don't think he makes the team.

Maybe.

Part of me does thing that he was here for 3 years and only really had like 1 game where he got rotation mins. So it's probably not going to happen.

But at the same time, out of those guys you listed, there's not really any of those guys who are a true PG. Simons has played some PG but is more of a 2 (and might not be here come opening night). Pritchard and White are the closest thing to a real PG on the team (besides JD) but White is more of a 2. And Pritchard has been here for 5 years now and he's mainly played off ball as an energy, shooter, defensive ball pressure, rebounder/hustler type of guy. He's played some PG here and there but not much of it.

It wouldn't shock me if they give JD a chance here and there (especially in a bridge year) as a backup PG to see if he can be a floor general, pass-first, facilitator type of PG, finding open shooters, running PnR, throwing lobs, etc. That type of player is something we haven't really had in awhile.

Idk though..even when he's been in the game for the big club during garbage time, he hasn't looked that great..there's a chance he's one of those guys who's too good for g league but not good enough for a real NBA role..we'll find out soon..
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Post#1088 » by Half-Full » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.

I don't think the Celtic are going to be trading guys or cutting guys or making all kinds of roster moves based on Charles Bassey - a guy who has been sitting there as a FA all offseason yet all 30 teams have declined to offer him a standard contract..all he's been able to get is a summer league roster spot which is why he's having to play SL, despite being 24, with 4 years of NBA experience.

JD is 22 with 3 yrs of NBA experience and isn't playing summer league, (even though our SL team has no PG's)... because he's too good for it. Bassey is 24, with 4 yrs of NBA experience and is playing summer league, coming off the bench.

That tells us something..

Davison is never going to play in my opinion. Celtics have Brown, Pritchard, White, Simons and I think they want to work Gonzalez into that role as primary ball handler. Doesn't leave much for Davison. That's why I don't think he makes the team.


Agree. As for Bassey, I don't know why he wasn't offered a contract, but am guessing his injury history may have something to do with it. What I can say is that he has looked very good in the two Summer League games he has played for us. Certainly good enough to warrant a contract. Hopefully we can sign him, as we need another big. Based on how he has played, Hal, is there anything specific you don't like in his game?
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Post#1089 » by Hal14 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:11 pm

Half-Full wrote:As for Bassey, I don't know why he wasn't offered a contract, but am guessing his injury history may have something to do with it. What I can say is that he has looked very good in the two Summer League games he has played for us. Certainly good enough to warrant a contract. Hopefully we can sign him, as we need another big. Based on how he has played, Hal, is there anything specific you don't like in his game?

I think SL is nearly meaningless sin terms of projecting how good these guys are on an NBA floor. So it's hard for me to answer that question.

Especially with a guy like Bassey who is 24 and has 4 years of NBA experience, of course he's going to look good in this setting - he's supposed to. Especially coming off the bench in both games for us, going against bench units, while Amari (with 0 yrs of NBA experience) is going against starters.

As for his game specifically, I think he seems like a shorter, less athletic Neemias Queta, with worse passing, worse post moves and much less experience playing in the Celtics system. So he's somewhat redundant here, with a guy (who's better) who is so similar to him.

The 4 bigs we have no, they all bring different, unique things to the table:

Queta: big, strong, athletic 7 footer with experience in our system, can rebound, block shots and catch lobs
Garza: really skilled offensively. Really the only big we have who has legit upside as a shooter.
Tillman: has experience in our system, has playoff experience. Is pretty much the only 1 of our bigs with perimeter defending chops and ability to slide over to the 4, allowing us to play double big lineups if we want to
Amari: The best passer of the group. Possibly the best passing big in the draft. Has good size, really smart player, good feel, also grew up playing PG and played PG in college so also the best ball handler/driver of the group

Bassey does not bring anything unique to the table..
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Post#1090 » by Gant » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:21 pm

Gary Washburn speaking about the Celtics' center rotation in today's Globe:

Summer league sensation Charles Bassey is a candidate, but Stevens needs to sign him soon.


Adam Himmelsbach:

Bassey has been slowed by injuries during his four-year NBA career, but also has shown he can be a capable contributor at the highest level when healthy. Bassey said he is fully healthy, and a league source said he has piqued the interest of several teams this week.
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Post#1091 » by He_Got_Game » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:21 pm

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He_Got_Game wrote:1. It doesn't matter how short and out of shape Lofton "looks." He looks to be about the same weight and height as Charles Barkley. He can obviously play basketball and that's all that matters.

2. Bassey looks good.

3. Baylor is what I thought he was, a difference maker with the ball in his hands. He has multiple counters to throw at defenders and finishes with both hands. In my opinion, he has much higher upside than Pritchard. If it were me, I would sell high on Pritchard and give his minutes to Baylor.

This is insane. Scheierman is shooting 13% from beyond the arc and can’t guard a chair. He won’t see the end of his rookie contract at this rate much less have higher upside than Pritchard


You cannot judge these players on their field goal percentage. Look at his skill set. That's what you should be using to evaluate these prospects. Pritchard also cannot "guard a chair" and he's 5 inches shorter.
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Post#1092 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:41 pm

The Atlantic 10 Player of the Year, Shulga, a native of Ukraine, should have a productive career awaiting in Europe as a fallback option. His passport makes him a potential stash candidate to play next season overseas, if an NBA team selects him. -- Jeremy Woo


Pretty interesting about Shulga, could definitely see the Celtics stashing him overseas.
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Post#1093 » by ThePigeon » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:58 pm

Out of the SL squad only Bridges and Lofton pique my interest
We lack a 4, and these 2 can play different kind of 4s

Bassey plays good. He is kind of big we are missing - an athletic, rim running big (Williams III light). Queta should be one, but he is slower and less smooth (often look clunky), but we drafted Williams, so I don't know if we will also sign Bassey
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Post#1094 » by Parliament10 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:04 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
I doubt Tillman is here anyway, but I don't think he's got any shot if they bag Bassey. Also, the C's can balloon their roster to 21 before the season, so they don't have to do immediate dumps to match any adds.
But if the Celtics can’t dump a player they will have to eat the contract. Celtics won’t do that because of 2nd apron issues. Bassey won’t be offered a contract unless there is a trade or someone is released in my opinion


Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.

Actually JD Davison has a Non-Guaranteed, until January. Nothing is Guaranteed.
It's Jordan Walsh that has the $200K Guaranteed.

Personally, I think that they both get Waived.


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Post#1095 » by Parliament10 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:08 pm

Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:But if the Celtics can’t dump a player they will have to eat the contract. Celtics won’t do that because of 2nd apron issues. Bassey won’t be offered a contract unless there is a trade or someone is released in my opinion


Only $200K of JD's contract is guaranteed, and they could pay a team to take someone like Tillman. But we pretty much know some more deals are coming. What they might do is what for another team to make a firm offer that they can counter.

I don't think the Celtic are going to be trading guys or cutting guys or making all kinds of roster moves based on Charles Bassey - a guy who has been sitting there as a FA all offseason yet all 30 teams have declined to offer him a standard contract..all he's been able to get is a summer league roster spot which is why he's having to play SL, despite being 24, with 4 years of NBA experience.

JD is 22 with 3 yrs of NBA experience and isn't playing summer league, (even though our SL team has no PG's)... because he's too good for it. Bassey is 24, with 4 yrs of NBA experience and is playing summer league, coming off the bench.

That tells us something..

Naw. Bassey unfortunately, had 2 Season ending injuries.
He needs to be in SL, to show where he is, in recovery.

Obviously, he's a good player.
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Post#1096 » by Bill Lumbergh » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:24 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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As for his game specifically, I think he seems like a shorter, less athletic Neemias Queta, with worse passing, worse post moves and much less experience playing in the Celtics system. So he's somewhat redundant here, with a guy (who's better) who is so similar to him.
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To my eye, Bassey looks far more athletic than Queta. It is remarkable that people can watch the same guy and come to such opposite conclusions. To each his own, though.
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Post#1097 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:28 pm

Bill Lumbergh wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
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As for his game specifically, I think he seems like a shorter, less athletic Neemias Queta, with worse passing, worse post moves and much less experience playing in the Celtics system. So he's somewhat redundant here, with a guy (who's better) who is so similar to him.
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To my eye, Bassey looks far more athletic than Queta. It is remarkable that people can watch the same guy and come to such opposite conclusions. To each his own, though.


I'm all about the Bassey.
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Post#1098 » by Bill Lumbergh » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:30 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
Bill Lumbergh wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
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As for his game specifically, I think he seems like a shorter, less athletic Neemias Queta, with worse passing, worse post moves and much less experience playing in the Celtics system. So he's somewhat redundant here, with a guy (who's better) who is so similar to him.
...

To my eye, Bassey looks far more athletic than Queta. It is remarkable that people can watch the same guy and come to such opposite conclusions. To each his own, though.


I'm all about the Bassey.

Me too. He looks better than Queta to me. If you can get him on a minimum deal, do it.
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Post#1099 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:32 pm

I'll give it to Hal: Neemi and Charles have more similar career NBA stats than I would have expected:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=bassech01&player_id1=quetane01&request=1
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Post#1100 » by BillessuR6 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:42 pm

I liked Bassey in college a lot and thought he would be a good player, so I have been following him in the NBA.

I think he is a great fit here and woulld be our best center if we sign him...

Hopefully Brad doesn't drop the ball here...

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