2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

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So why did we go after a vet in Powell then to shore up the backcourt? Could’t there be a case to get one extra vet to shore up a thin front court?

Bc he was free and will help the whole environment.

I have no issue with adding a vet to replace Kevin Love as the "break glass" big. I think that's a helpful idea. But, that's not really what you're advocating for. I'm just pushing back on the idea that it's some necessity to add a big to get regular rotation minutes.

I do wonder if Goldin will have an opp for that role.

When the depth chart only has 3 legit rotational players in the front court and a two way i think you need more then just a break in case big. Goldin should be viewed as that. If we get Vucevic there’s no reason he can’t get 15-20 min off the bench in a 4 man big rotation. Similar to when Kelly Olynyk was here.

Plus we don't have to play against him. That guy always seems to have our number even with bad teams.

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Our GOAT is sitting at 23, disagree with some ahead of him.

KG ahead of Wade is crazy

Yea I don’t really understand KG, Dirk, and maybe I’m too young but David Robinson being ahead of him. I also think Wade leaves a lot on the table because of his injuries and bad knees.

KG never won it all as THE guy and only has 1 ring. Dirk only has 1 ring (albeit a great one) and the 1 MVP he won he literally only won because Wade dislocated his shoulder. Wade was leading the race averaging 30-5-8-2-1 on 60TS% through the first 50 games of the season that season. Robinson seems to have a high peak like Wade, not super crazy longevity like Wade, and only 2 championships to Wades 3.

Bleacher build their business off of making these ranking list every week to bring in traffic. Wade should be in the 15 range. Robinson was an elite talent but he never became that player to lead a franchise. He was on the stairway of getting there then got injured, had a chronic back issues since. His first obstacle was Olajuwon but never gotten a chance to redeem himself. Wade first obstacle was the Pistons and got that chance to redeem himself. Robinson path was very much like Dominique's except Nique didn't get a Tim Duncan after Niques injury. Nique ostacle was the Celtics, then have got Achilles tear and was traded to the black hole clippers. Robinson vs Olajuwon and Dominique vs Bird were some of the greatest head to head playoffs matchups iv ever seen. But back to the point, most player legacy is about gettin over that obstacle rather its a team or player. Wade got over the obstacle by beating the Pistons. Robinson greatest legacy moment is not getting over that obstacle by getting punked by Olajuwon. No way Robinson should be above Wade.

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1995 playoffs series head to head stats

David Robinson
23.8 pts, 11.3 rbs, 2.2 blks

Hakeem Olajuwon
35.3 pts, 12.5 rbs, 5 ast, 1.3 stls, 4.2 blks

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1988 playoffs series head to head stats

Larry Bird
26.4 pts, 7.7 rbs, 6,4 ast

Dominique Wilkins
31.3 pts, 5.4 rbs, 3.9 ast

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[twix2500]

On that same theme. I think its only right to give Bam and Herro a chance to see if they can evolve and get over the hump. And it appears that obstacle is the Cleveland Cavaliers. If destiny allows, the Heat will see the Cavs again in the playoffs and that will define Bam and Herro legacy

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C Bam Adebayo C Kelel Ware
PF Niko Jovic(Point forward) PF Jagsmith
SF Andrew Wiggins SF Jaime Jaquez Jr
SG Norman Powell SG Pelle Larrson
PG/SG Tyler Herro PG Davion Mitchell

This could be our opening primary 10 rotational lineup. Have Ware anchor the bench and allow him and JJJ the freedom to lead that unit with Mitchell at PG

C Kelel Ware
PF/C Bam Adebayo PF Niko Jovic
SF Andrew Wiggins SF Jaime Jaquez Jr
SG Tyler Herro SG Norman Powell
PG Davion Mitchell

This is the optimal Ware and Bam lineup

My hope would be that we’re not demoting the guy we just made untouchable in any talks for KD.

If Ware and Bam is the staring front court than i advocate Mitchell starting and Powell staggering Herro and Mitchell as a 6th man with Niko as the point forward off the bench.

yea i wouldnt do that even if the 1st lineup is probably the best fit for now on paper. it could have a negative mental reaction benching our future center for a guard that might only be a rental. i think Herro and Powell can cause enough movement to find Ware

[twix2500]

The Heat are pushing Ware hard. And the fact that Spo spoke on Jovic and Ware was not a negative but I think its how important Spo believes Ware and Jovic development means to the success of next season. Bam got two hand picked players to support him in Jovic and Ware, and Herro now has two hand picked players to support him in Mitchell and Powell. Wiggins being the glue piece/x-factor. There is a possible formula for a successful season. IMO still need some changes but they have to the trade deadline to make them.

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The way the Heat has purposely positioned themselves, with all those expirings leaving after the upcoming season, with knowing that they can easily get expirings for Wiggins at the deadline.

Look at the roster now… because this upcoming season if these godly talents that we have prevented trading for Donovan, KD, etx dont make a strong push, if they are that same team that got washed by Ty Jerome in the playoffs, theyre going to blow it up next offseason. And it will be easy with all the expirings gone.

They are not going to add a damn thing that has long term deals. And there wont be any extensions. Theyre going to see what they got with Herro as their first option and see how far it takes them.

Powell on an expiring is the extra help for this core.

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The math of this strange desperation to bring LeBron back doesn't add up. And I'm not talking about the salary math.

Luca >>>> LeBron, and anybody on our current roster
According to many, old ass LeBron > anyone on our roster, since it will be him who will 'lead' us in competing.

Can someone please explain how we will turn into a championship team with LeBron and a WORSE TEAM and players than he is coming from and that he was able to do nothing with?

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The math of this strange desperation to bring LeBron back doesn't add up. And I'm not talking about the salary math.

Luca >>>> LeBron, and anybody on our current roster
According to many, old ass LeBron > anyone on our roster, since it will be him who will 'lead' us in competing.

Can someone please explain how we will turn into a championship team with LeBron and a WORSE TEAM and players than he is coming from and that he was able to do nothing with?

Thank you.

All we gonna get is a one year circus.

All this huffin and puffin means is that Lebron still wants things catered exactly to however makes him look best. No reason to leave the Lakers otherwise

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The math of this strange desperation to bring LeBron back doesn't add up. And I'm not talking about the salary math.

Luca >>>> LeBron, and anybody on our current roster
According to many, old ass LeBron > anyone on our roster, since it will be him who will 'lead' us in competing.

Can someone please explain how we will turn into a championship team with LeBron and a WORSE TEAM and players than he is coming from and that he was able to do nothing with?

W/ Lebron, (and Powell), Mia can compete with any team in the east in a 7 game series.

Their presence brings order and organization to an aimless and chaotic half court offense.

They'll be defensive issues, for sure, but offensively, a roster featuring both guys would make for a world of difference.

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The math of this strange desperation to bring LeBron back doesn't add up. And I'm not talking about the salary math.

Luca >>>> LeBron, and anybody on our current roster
According to many, old ass LeBron > anyone on our roster, since it will be him who will 'lead' us in competing.

Can someone please explain how we will turn into a championship team with LeBron and a WORSE TEAM and players than he is coming from and that he was able to do nothing with?

W/ Lebron, (and Powell), Mia can compete with any team in the east in a 7 game series.

Their presence brings order and organization to an aimless and chaotic half court offense.

They'll be defensive issues, for sure, but offensively, a roster featuring both guys would make for a world of difference.

LeBron and Powell is better than LeBron and Luca?!?



LeBron himself doesn't even believe this.

I would really rather people just admit they really like LeBron and want him back for the feels/vibes than act like he's a needle mover.

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People are confused as to why LeBron should want to come play here as opposed to the Lakers? LeBrons not a needle over and doesn’t impact winning anymore? Lol honestly I’m not surprised

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[Kobewade11]

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Clippers would make sense. He likes Lue, and gets to stay in LA with his family.

There's a wing of this fanbase that is essentially the guy that just cant get over that one baddie he once had. LeBron isn't interested at all in a reunion in Miami. He usually talks about his time here in a passive aggressive manner, giving just enough praise to appear favorable while undercutting any idea that this organization elevated him. The thought this egomaniac give the media ammo to say he couldn't get it done without running back here is just laughable.

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Holmes can play. Hes been stuck on that bad team

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I'm pretty in the middle on the whole LeBron angle. I do think he disrespected people in his exit and he's not any sort of guarantee they compete for a chip next year. On the other hand, I don't really hate him either, and he definitely puts Miami in the conversation.

As to the question of why us over Luka, its all about diminishing returns. Because of LeBron's talents, any great wing you pair him with is always going to have a lesser impact playing next to him, even at this age. I think they did a decent job of playing off each other last year, but there's still a degree of your turn my turn with them. If he comes here, you have a roster of guys that really shouldn't be handling the rock but can be decent finishers (great shooters in Herro/Powell, great lob threats in Bam/Ware). If you're LeBron, and you do prefer this roster (I have no idea, pure speculation and arguing devil's advocate), its because you get to use more of your toolset and the "others" are an upgrade over the Lakers others, even if Luka is obviously a better #2 than either of Bam or Herro.

For me this stuff is all just popcorn for the summer. Probably nothing comes of it. I'm not desperate for him to return, but I won't shun the idea either. The narratives can go either way, you could argue he wants to prove he never needed Miami in the first place... or maybe he wants to cement this as a second home, and show he can win here without a Wade/Bosh? Or maybe he just likes the city and wants to play his last year here? Who really knows.

I will say while I don't care that much either way, I prefer this potential move over the KD one because KD doesn't solve our need for a primary ball handler/creator, he's nearly as old and hasn't shown the same insane iron man durability, and he would have cost us more future potential (a LeBron deal is going to be centered around worthless expirings and at most one project player or pick). Whereas KD is a mid ground that sort of locks us into playing to win now with a guaranteed worse future, LeBron's just a stopgap for this year that doesn't really negatively impact our future.

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