Official 2025 Offseason Thread

DiplomaticMagic · Post #2541 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:52 am

I rather our players not play in overseas basketball for summer too but players should be able to do what they want. Wtf they're human beings with their own rights.

RookieStar · Post #2542 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:09 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I rather our players not play in overseas basketball for summer too but players should be able to do what they want. Wtf they're human beings with their own rights.

Same... if the owners really feel "scared" about it, then the league should have a mandatory contract clause that players who play outside the NBA while under contract and gets injured, will have penalties on their contract earnings.

It will show who really loves to play for country.

I mean if there are clauses preventing guys from dping extreme sportsnor riding motorcycles then why not.

Guess the league isnt just worried

basketballRob · Post #2543 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:25 am

RookieStar wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:I rather our players not play in overseas basketball for summer too but players should be able to do what they want. Wtf they're human beings with their own rights.

Same... if the owners really feel "scared" about it, then the league should have a mandatory contract clause that players who play outside the NBA while under contract and gets injured, will have penalties on their contract earnings.

It will show who really loves to play for country.

I mean if there are clauses preventing guys from dping extreme sportsnor riding motorcycles then why not.

Guess the league isnt just worried

Franz is making nearly a half million dollars per game to play in the NBA. Do you think he wants to play fewer games and make less?

They should have arbitrary doctors who hold them out if they are injured, and they get paid way less for games they miss. If they did this, then players wouldn't risk playing in the offseason.

If a player tore his Achilles or acl in a non-nba activity or game, should they get paid by the NBA for games they miss?

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sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #2544 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:27 pm

Any word on if / where McClung got picked up?

Skybox · Post #2545 » by **Skybox** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:07 pm

Orl_Magic wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Orl_Magic wrote:Calab sucks how many 0-5 games he have for us? Give his minutes to Jett

Caleb had zero 0-5 games last season.

He also had zero 0-4 games.

He did have four 0-3 games.

He also had seven games where he made at least three 3PT.

Oh sorry month of Jan where he logged big mins. 1-6, 2-7, 1-4, 3-10, 1-4,1-4,0-3,0-3. We lost 10 games that month. The guy's not reliable. I wouldn't trade Jett who has more to his game to clear space to bring him back.

So he’s a bad shooter but was the overall BEST 3pt shooter? :crazy:

also, makes $2m a year…but, let me guess, this is really like Jett’s rookie year?

It’s amazing how proven 20ppg guys are trashed for holes in their game (every trade target is the worst defender that ever walked the Earth) while guys that have done literally NOTHING on BOTH ends have tremendous promise (while making more than 2x). There was never a secret master plan to fiendishly develop Jett in the G-League, he just wasn’t ready and still clearly wasn’t last year. Weltman seems to be facing reality…when do we?

Jett’s not an NBA player.
AB is a good player but bears no resemblance to a starting PG…or possibly even a backup PG - like the one we just signed
Goga is a nice backup but is NOT the defender WCJ is, regardless of blocks
TdS DID give us good minutes for most of the year (his rookie year) while beloved guys on here have not shown his poise and willingness to take the big shot. He WILL be in the rotation.
Cole, Gary, and KCP were overpaid mistakes and they’re finally gone…they did not get us Bane- they upped the price for him
Mosely doesn’t know offense but he’s a great leader…so help is on the way. Half a dozen NBA players who have been at least average from 3 didn’t just forget how at the same time. We didn’t get Tyus to play D- he’s a hyper-efficient game manager and we had NONE. The offense featured 2 25/5 guys but still was absolutely atrocious…they didn’t bring in the new guy to learn Mose’s ingenious wing-hub offense, they conceded it was a mess.

RookieStar · Post #2546 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:44 pm

basketballRob wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:I rather our players not play in overseas basketball for summer too but players should be able to do what they want. Wtf they're human beings with their own rights.

Same... if the owners really feel "scared" about it, then the league should have a mandatory contract clause that players who play outside the NBA while under contract and gets injured, will have penalties on their contract earnings.

It will show who really loves to play for country.

I mean if there are clauses preventing guys from dping extreme sportsnor riding motorcycles then why not.

Guess the league isnt just worried
Franz is making nearly a half million dollars per game to play in the NBA. Do you think he wants to play fewer games and make less?

They should have arbitrary doctors who hold them out if they are injured, and they get paid way less for games they miss. If they did this, then players wouldn't risk playing in the offseason.

If a player tore his Achilles or acl in a non-nba activity or game, should they get paid by the NBA for games they miss?

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Agreed. However, since the league isn't doing anything about it... like I said, its a nothingburger for them

Post #2547 » by **eyriq** » Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:51 pm

I like that Franz plays on the German national team.

Post #2548 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:19 am

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Post #2549 » by **Bensational** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:26 am

Skybox wrote:
Orl_Magic wrote:Oh sorry month of Jan where he logged big mins. 1-6, 2-7, 1-4, 3-10, 1-4,1-4,0-3,0-3. We lost 10 games that month. The guy's not reliable. I wouldn't trade Jett who has more to his game to clear space to bring him back.

So he’s a bad shooter but was the overall BEST 3pt shooter? also, makes $2m a year…but, let me guess, this is really like Jett’s rookie year?

It’s amazing how proven 20ppg guys are trashed for holes in their game (every trade target is the worst defender that ever walked the Earth) while guys that have done literally NOTHING on BOTH ends have tremendous promise (while making more than 2x). There was never a secret master plan to fiendishly develop Jett in the G-League, he just wasn’t ready and still clearly wasn’t last year. Weltman seems to be facing reality…when do we?

Jett’s not an NBA player.
AB is a good player but bears no resemblance to a starting PG…or possibly even a backup PG - like the one we just signed
Goga is a nice backup but is NOT the defender WCJ is, regardless of blocks
TdS DID give us good minutes for most of the year (his rookie year) while beloved guys on here have not shown his poise and willingness to take the big shot. He WILL be in the rotation.

I showed the stats before, Caleb was an elite shooter post ASB. He had the 5th best 3pt% Post ASB for players who took 3 or more attempts from 3. We will be kicking ourselves if we let him go and he tears it up for another team who use their 3pt shooters effectively.

The guys set to benefit most from Tyus will be Jett, Caleb, TDS and Goga. The way Ingles helped make the bench click and all shoot well above the levels they showed last season is what we’re hoping to get out of Tyus.

Jett has untapped talent and value. His shot is too pure for him not to be good at that. It would be premature for us to treat him as a salary dump when half a season next to Tyus might reveal him as a 40% 3pt bomber and an asset that can be flipped for draft collateral or other win now pieces.

At the same time, we have to find a way to keep Caleb. I’d put Caleb ahead of TDS on a depth chart right now, no question. He’s younger, a better shooter, and loved by the coaching staff. I like TDS too, but if the team needs a 3 I’d put Houstan on the court before TDS for sure. AB probably hit more clutch 3’s than TDS last season and we all know shooting isn’t his strength.

Dunno why Goga was catching strays when he’s stepped up as a 3rd string C and lead the team to a better record as a starter than WCJ has over the last 2 seasons. And at $7M a season you’d be hard pressed to find a better value C who isn’t on a rookie contract.

RichCollab · Post #2550 » by **RichCollab** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:27 pm

Bensational wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Orl_Magic wrote:Oh sorry month of Jan where he logged big mins. 1-6, 2-7, 1-4, 3-10, 1-4,1-4,0-3,0-3. We lost 10 games that month. The guy's not reliable. I wouldn't trade Jett who has more to his game to clear space to bring him back.

So he’s a bad shooter but was the overall BEST 3pt shooter? also, makes $2m a year…but, let me guess, this is really like Jett’s rookie year?

It’s amazing how proven 20ppg guys are trashed for holes in their game (every trade target is the worst defender that ever walked the Earth) while guys that have done literally NOTHING on BOTH ends have tremendous promise (while making more than 2x). There was never a secret master plan to fiendishly develop Jett in the G-League, he just wasn’t ready and still clearly wasn’t last year. Weltman seems to be facing reality…when do we?

Jett’s not an NBA player.
AB is a good player but bears no resemblance to a starting PG…or possibly even a backup PG - like the one we just signed
Goga is a nice backup but is NOT the defender WCJ is, regardless of blocks
TdS DID give us good minutes for most of the year (his rookie year) while beloved guys on here have not shown his poise and willingness to take the big shot. He WILL be in the rotation.

I showed the stats before, Caleb was an elite shooter post ASB. He had the 5th best 3pt% Post ASB for players who took 3 or more attempts from 3. We will be kicking ourselves if we let him go and he tears it up for another team who use their 3pt shooters effectively.

The guys set to benefit most from Tyus will be Jett, Caleb, TDS and Goga. The way Ingles helped make the bench click and all shoot well above the levels they showed last season is what we’re hoping to get out of Tyus.

Jett has untapped talent and value. His shot is too pure for him not to be good at that. It would be premature for us to treat him as a salary dump when half a season next to Tyus might reveal him as a 40% 3pt bomber and an asset that can be flipped for draft collateral or other win now pieces.

At the same time, we have to find a way to keep Caleb. I’d put Caleb ahead of TDS on a depth chart right now, no question. He’s younger, a better shooter, and loved by the coaching staff. I like TDS too, but if the team needs a 3 I’d put Houstan on the court before TDS for sure. AB probably hit more clutch 3’s than TDS last season and we all know shooting isn’t his strength.

Dunno why Goga was catching strays when he’s stepped up as a 3rd string C and lead the team to a better record as a starter than WCJ has over the last 2 seasons. And at $7M a season you’d be hard pressed to find a better value C who isn’t on a rookie contract.

Why hasn’t anyone signed Caleb if he is such a value?

Goga is the 3rd center and is getting 7 million a year. I think that’s why he gets mentioned as someone to move. I haven’t seen Goga able to handle high pressure situations and doesn’t seem like a starter because of it.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #2551 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:26 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Bensational wrote:
Skybox wrote:
So he’s a bad shooter but was the overall BEST 3pt shooter? also, makes $2m a year…but, let me guess, this is really like Jett’s rookie year?

It’s amazing how proven 20ppg guys are trashed for holes in their game (every trade target is the worst defender that ever walked the Earth) while guys that have done literally NOTHING on BOTH ends have tremendous promise (while making more than 2x). There was never a secret master plan to fiendishly develop Jett in the G-League, he just wasn’t ready and still clearly wasn’t last year. Weltman seems to be facing reality…when do we?

Jett’s not an NBA player.
AB is a good player but bears no resemblance to a starting PG…or possibly even a backup PG - like the one we just signed
Goga is a nice backup but is NOT the defender WCJ is, regardless of blocks
TdS DID give us good minutes for most of the year (his rookie year) while beloved guys on here have not shown his poise and willingness to take the big shot. He WILL be in the rotation.

I showed the stats before, Caleb was an elite shooter post ASB. He had the 5th best 3pt% Post ASB for players who took 3 or more attempts from 3. We will be kicking ourselves if we let him go and he tears it up for another team who use their 3pt shooters effectively.

The guys set to benefit most from Tyus will be Jett, Caleb, TDS and Goga. The way Ingles helped make the bench click and all shoot well above the levels they showed last season is what we’re hoping to get out of Tyus.

Jett has untapped talent and value. His shot is too pure for him not to be good at that. It would be premature for us to treat him as a salary dump when half a season next to Tyus might reveal him as a 40% 3pt bomber and an asset that can be flipped for draft collateral or other win now pieces.

At the same time, we have to find a way to keep Caleb. I’d put Caleb ahead of TDS on a depth chart right now, no question. He’s younger, a better shooter, and loved by the coaching staff. I like TDS too, but if the team needs a 3 I’d put Houstan on the court before TDS for sure. AB probably hit more clutch 3’s than TDS last season and we all know shooting isn’t his strength.

Dunno why Goga was catching strays when he’s stepped up as a 3rd string C and lead the team to a better record as a starter than WCJ has over the last 2 seasons. And at $7M a season you’d be hard pressed to find a better value C who isn’t on a rookie contract.

Why hasn’t anyone signed Caleb if he is such a value?

Goga is the 3rd center and is getting 7 million a year. I think that’s why he gets mentioned as someone to move. I haven’t seen Goga able to handle high pressure situations and doesn’t seem like a starter because of it.

Another issue is people overvalue the hell out of Goga. Dude is JAG who can be a fill in starter in short spurts. Issue is we’ve got injury prone C and PF so we can’t move him.

He’s exactly like Isaac in the sense he’s more valuable to us vs what we’d get back for him.

Jett on the other hand who knows. He doesn’t look like an NBA player outside of a shot. Maybe this new staff can find ways to use him properly but I don’t see him getting enough minutes. I’ll be shocked if they pick up his option for next year and think he’s a trade candidate come deadline.

Post #2552 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:46 pm

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OrlandoDream · Post #2553 » by **OrlandoDream** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:00 pm

eyriq wrote:

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It wont take much to beat 2023 draft class. Jase and Noah in summer league have already shown more then Jett has in two seasons.

Skybox · Post #2554 » by **Skybox** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:03 pm

eyriq wrote:

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Masochist

RookieStar · Post #2555 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:34 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:
eyriq wrote:

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It wont take much to beat 2023 draft class. Jase and Noah in summer league have already shown more then Jett has in two seasons.

Summer league hot takes!!!

I like it! lol

thelead · Post #2556 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 16, 2025 12:18 am

Jett sitting between Suggs and Mose. He's going to get every opportunity to show what he has. The bigger question is what are they going to do with his option. There should be no reason to pick it up unless they're seeing things in practice that just aren't showing up in game yet.

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rcklsscognition · Post #2557 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jul 16, 2025 2:55 am

Why is Jett in Greece at the Jordan Board of Governors event alongside them greats including Paolo?

RookieStar · Post #2558 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:42 am

BTW.. anyone know if Penda is part of France NT playing? Or is he too scrubish for them?

pepe1991 · Post #2559 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:01 am

RookieStar wrote:BTW.. anyone know if Penda is part of France NT playing? Or is he too scrubish for them?

wasn't among 18 men extended call.

btw Victor, Gobert, Evan won't play either.

RookieStar · Post #2560 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:48 am

pepe1991 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:BTW.. anyone know if Penda is part of France NT playing? Or is he too scrubish for them?

wasn't among 18 men extended call.

btw Victor, Gobert, Evan won't play either.

Victor i understand... blood clot and all...

But Gobert and Evan? Probably wants the yougbloods. They probably think this competition isnt serious enough?

Does the FO add a legitimate starting (scoring) guard to the roster this summer?