Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[EvanZ]

The problem for these guys is also simply that there is no cap space out there. Brooklyn used theirs and literally no team has the money these guys want and maybe even the money they don't want. So they have to use S&T mechanisms, but the teams that own the RFA rights are playing hardball because they have all the leverage. Right now GS has all the leverage. I mean think about it, what teams can actually make JK an offer for 4/80 outright? I'm not sure there's a single one. That means they need GS to do a S&T. But otoh GS can just sit and wait and JK will either have to accept the QO or whatever GS offers him. Hell, JK might not even be able to get a MLE on the open market and if he does, GS could just match it too.

That's why this ish is taking so long.

[thunderdunk]

If the Dubs decide all JK is getting is the QO and assume he will sign it at the deadline, do they currently have the cap space to sign other free agents? or.. would the Sac offer of Carter/Saric/2 2nds give them a better or worse chance to sign FA's than JK signing the QO?

Carter/Saric/2 2nds would be a terrible trade. I'd rather keep JK and either hope for a better trade later, or that his game grows enough for him to contribute better to a Dubs' run next spring. It's not like he's a locker room cancer or anything.

[EvanZ]

If the Dubs decide all JK is getting is the QO and assume he will sign it at the deadline, do they currently have the cap space to sign other free agents? or.. would the Sac offer of Carter/Saric/2 2nds give them a better or worse chance to sign FA's than JK signing the QO?

Carter/Saric/2 2nds would be a terrible trade. I'd rather have JK and either hope for a better trade later, or that his game grows enough for him to contribute better to a Dubs' run next spring.

You do realize it's 2 SACRAMENTO seconds right?

Bro those are basically 2 first round picks.

[vvoland]

If the Dubs decide all JK is getting is the QO and assume he will sign it at the deadline, do they currently have the cap space to sign other free agents? or.. would the Sac offer of Carter/Saric/2 2nds give them a better or worse chance to sign FA's than JK signing the QO?

Carter/Saric/2 2nds would be a terrible trade. I'd rather have JK and either hope for a better trade later, or that his game grows enough for him to contribute better to a Dubs' run next spring.

You do realize it's 2 SACRAMENTO seconds right?

Bro those are basically 2 first round picks.

It's not nothing.

On the other hand, what does the league say if JK showed up at summer, got the minutes Devin Carter got the other night, and went for 40+? He destroyed Jalen McDaniels in their matchups, in the playoffs, as the first and last offensive options. What do we think he'd do to kids in SL? Some might even catch on that he's younger than half the kids drafted this year and most of the ones playing in SL (like DC). His trade value would increase significantly, as crazy as that is to say.

[thunderdunk]

You do realize it's 2 SACRAMENTO seconds right?

Bro those are basically 2 first round picks.

Realistically, that would be a pair of picks at around 42nd. At 42, you're lucky to find anybody who can make the roster at all. No thanks.

[EvanZ]

You do realize it's 2 SACRAMENTO seconds right?

Bro those are basically 2 first round picks.

Realistically, that would be a pair of picks at around 42nd. At 42, you're lucky to find anybody who can make the roster at all. No thanks.

Sorry bro, what do you mean "realistically"? The Kings had the 42nd pick this year and they are about to get MUCH MUCH worse. If we give them JK, I mean, they could be a bottom 3 team in the entire league.

[EvanZ]

Carter/Saric/2 2nds would be a terrible trade. I'd rather have JK and either hope for a better trade later, or that his game grows enough for him to contribute better to a Dubs' run next spring.

You do realize it's 2 SACRAMENTO seconds right?

Bro those are basically 2 first round picks.

It's not nothing.

On the other hand, what does the league say if JK showed up at summer, got the minutes Devin Carter got the other night, and went for 40+? He destroyed Jalen McDaniels in their matchups, in the playoffs, as the first and last offensive options. What do we think he'd do to kids in SL? Some might even catch on that he's younger than half the kids drafted this year and most of the ones playing in SL (like DC). His trade value would increase significantly, as crazy as that is to say.

Bro, this would be the weirdest **** ever. There's ZERO chance JK would even want to play in SL and risk injury.

[DaHef]

If the Dubs decide all JK is getting is the QO and assume he will sign it at the deadline, do they currently have the cap space to sign other free agents? or.. would the Sac offer of Carter/Saric/2 2nds give them a better or worse chance to sign FA's than JK signing the QO?

Carter/Saric/2 2nds would be a terrible trade. I'd rather keep JK and either hope for a better trade later, or that his game grows enough for him to contribute better to a Dubs' run next spring. It's not like he's a locker room cancer or anything.

The question wasn't if the trade sucks but what UFA's the Dubs could sign now between JK not signing an extended contract but eventually signing the QO and the Sac trade. It was more a question for anyone who has a grip on the CBA, which is not me.

(my own personal opinion on the Sac offer is Carter, stretching Saric, and 2 high 2nds isn't the end of the world for this G league soccer playing, ISO ball project that should never have been a 7 pick. Although it would be nice if Sac could bump up one of the picks to a top 12 protected 1st)

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Reconcile with Kuminga. Offer him a deal that guarantees him minutes if his plus minus is better than the team average plus minus. Give him a heavy incentive based contract That rewards, and based upon how much better his past minus is than his teammates.

Kuminga’s problem was not understanding basketball so I want to give them plus minus bonuses as an incentive to understand basketball. I think my plan might work if the Warriors and Knigge tried it. Win for the Warriors, win for Kuminga, and win for the Warriors fans.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

With Kuminga’s talent he should be the fourth best warrior at plus minus if he played right.
By basing his pay and guaranteed minutes on plus minus Kuminga if he has any maturity at all would understand that he is responsible for his own success, and must learn to improve his plus minus if he wants to get what he wants. Comingo is 13th on the team and plus minus this last year so he has no the bitch about but himself. The legendary Gui Santos and Legendary Quinten Post had better plus minuses than Kuminga. Who you play with matters for plus minus but did Quinton post and we Santos play more with Korean Draymond then Kuminga did?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

2025 Curry and Draymod were 1 and 2 in plus minus as usual but Podz was 3rd in plus minus ahead of Butler.

And I would be a awesome fantasy dream player, Jonden Podzinga, Best of pods and best of kuminga rolled into one player. Pods for his smarts, and his hustle, and his willingness to sacrifice his body and his passing and his magic overachieving rebounding and commended for his big quick body and his drive to the Hoop and his shot blocking. That would be an awesome complete player. Too bad Parts is slow and small and Kuminga is dumb.

[vvoland]

You do realize it's 2 SACRAMENTO seconds right?

Bro those are basically 2 first round picks.

It's not nothing.

On the other hand, what does the league say if JK showed up at summer, got the minutes Devin Carter got the other night, and went for 40+? He destroyed Jalen McDaniels in their matchups, in the playoffs, as the first and last offensive options. What do we think he'd do to kids in SL? Some might even catch on that he's younger than half the kids drafted this year and most of the ones playing in SL (like DC). His trade value would increase significantly, as crazy as that is to say.

Bro, this would be the weirdest **** ever. There's ZERO chance JK would even want to play in SL and risk injury.

Of course, he won't play. I get that. Consider how much Carter's one summer league performance got people talking, I'm just saying how much would they talk if JK came in, dominated, and they remembered he's actually younger than most of these kids.

[xdrta+]

The question wasn't if the trade sucks but what UFA's the Dubs could sign now between JK not signing an extended contract but eventually signing the QO and the Sac trade.

The Warriors could sign FAs with the TPMLE and minimum salaries (are there any FAs expecting more?) It wouldn't affect matching an offer sheet, though as others have pointed out no one has any cap room to make one, anyway. They could also navigate an S&T.

In an S&T there's no problem if the Warriors don't take back more salary than they send out, but that's difficult with the BYC. But, the most excess they can take back is 8.2M, which would trigger the 1st Apron, but they could still stay under.

So in short, they could sign FAs now, but it could make things difficult. It's possible though, and that's why they make the big bucks in the FO.

[Onus]

It's not nothing.

On the other hand, what does the league say if JK showed up at summer, got the minutes Devin Carter got the other night, and went for 40+? He destroyed Jalen McDaniels in their matchups, in the playoffs, as the first and last offensive options. What do we think he'd do to kids in SL? Some might even catch on that he's younger than half the kids drafted this year and most of the ones playing in SL (like DC). His trade value would increase significantly, as crazy as that is to say.

Bro, this would be the weirdest **** ever. There's ZERO chance JK would even want to play in SL and risk injury.

Of course, he won't play. I get that. Consider how much Carter's one summer league performance got people talking, I'm just saying how much would they talk if JK came in, dominated, and they remembered he's actually younger than most of these kids.

Jk put up numbers in the playoffs. Putting up numbers in summer league is worthless.

[vvoland]

Bro, this would be the weirdest **** ever. There's ZERO chance JK would even want to play in SL and risk injury.

Of course, he won't play. I get that. Consider how much Carter's one summer league performance got people talking, I'm just saying how much would they talk if JK came in, dominated, and they remembered he's actually younger than most of these kids.

Jk put up numbers in the playoffs. Putting up numbers in summer league is worthless.

Not for Devin Carter and Ben Sheppard. But your point is taken, I don't think it'll move the needle much. Just putting a new image in people's brains during the height of free agency may not be the worst thing in the world. I wonder if someone will use summer league as a way to increase the interest their team/the league has in the player.

[Crazy-Canuck]

It's not nothing.

On the other hand, what does the league say if JK showed up at summer, got the minutes Devin Carter got the other night, and went for 40+? He destroyed Jalen McDaniels in their matchups, in the playoffs, as the first and last offensive options. What do we think he'd do to kids in SL? Some might even catch on that he's younger than half the kids drafted this year and most of the ones playing in SL (like DC). His trade value would increase significantly, as crazy as that is to say.

Bro, this would be the weirdest **** ever. There's ZERO chance JK would even want to play in SL and risk injury.

Of course, he won't play. I get that. Consider how much Carter's one summer league performance got people talking, I'm just saying how much would they talk if JK came in, dominated, and they remembered he's actually younger than most of these kids.

You ate also comparing carter who gets 5M/year for the next couple of years vs Kuminga who turned down 5/150 last off season.

It's not the talent that is hurting the market for jk, not all anyways, but the finances.

If jk was on carters contact, he'd have been moved by now like he should have been 2 years ago.

[HiRez]

With Kuminga’s talent he should be the fourth best warrior at plus minus if he played right.
By basing his pay and guaranteed minutes on plus minus Kuminga if he has any maturity at all would understand that he is responsible for his own success, and must learn to improve his plus minus if he wants to get what he wants. Comingo is 13th on the team and plus minus this last year so he has no the bitch about but himself. The legendary Gui Santos and Legendary Quinten Post had better plus minuses than Kuminga. Who you play with matters for plus minus but did Quinton post and we Santos play more with Korean Draymond then Kuminga did?

Heavily incentive-based contract is not a bad idea. But would Kerr be cool with guaranteed minutes? I think he'd push back on that restriction. Based on how bad Kuminga's agent appears to be, they'd probably write into the contract "average at least 30 minutes/game", then Kerr would play him 31 minutes in the first game and sit him on the bench for the rest of the year.

[jg77]

Is that Devin Carter deal even still available? Lol

[Crazy-Canuck]

Is that Devin Carter deal even still available? Lol

If his 3 pt shooting is legit, he is going to be in demand. I don't think they trade him if that's the case

[Onus]

Is that Devin Carter deal even still available? Lol

If his 3 pt shooting is legit, he is going to be in demand. I don't think they trade him if that's the case

Going to be hard to find playing time behind Schroeder, LAVINE, monk, Keon, and nique. It’s why they tried to get him to play pg this summer league even though he’s never played it before.