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Post#1601 » by Shewasfly » Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:15 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm pretty in the middle on the whole LeBron angle. I do think he disrespected people in his exit and he's not any sort of guarantee they compete for a chip next year. On the other hand, I don't really hate him either, and he definitely puts Miami in the conversation.

As to the question of why us over Luka, its all about diminishing returns. Because of LeBron's talents, any great wing you pair him with is always going to have a lesser impact playing next to him, even at this age. I think they did a decent job of playing off each other last year, but there's still a degree of your turn my turn with them. If he comes here, you have a roster of guys that really shouldn't be handling the rock but can be decent finishers (great shooters in Herro/Powell, great lob threats in Bam/Ware). If you're LeBron, and you do prefer this roster (I have no idea, pure speculation and arguing devil's advocate), its because you get to use more of your toolset and the "others" are an upgrade over the Lakers others, even if Luka is obviously a better #2 than either of Bam or Herro.

For me this stuff is all just popcorn for the summer. Probably nothing comes of it. I'm not desperate for him to return, but I won't shun the idea either. The narratives can go either way, you could argue he wants to prove he never needed Miami in the first place... or maybe he wants to cement this as a second home, and show he can win here without a Wade/Bosh? Or maybe he just likes the city and wants to play his last year here? Who really knows.

I will say while I don't care that much either way, I prefer this potential move over the KD one because KD doesn't solve our need for a primary ball handler/creator, he's nearly as old and hasn't shown the same insane iron man durability, and he would have cost us more future potential (a LeBron deal is going to be centered around worthless expirings and at most one project player or pick). Whereas KD is a mid ground that sort of locks us into playing to win now with a guaranteed worse future, LeBron's just a stopgap for this year that doesn't really negatively impact our future.


At least you have an actual thought process behind it. I don't agree with pretty much any of it (especially the part about Luca being LeBron's #2...yikes. You all REALLY overrate this man even to this day), but at least you have a thought process behind it.

I have a hard disagree on the KD part, not that it matters anymore though. But I actually understood the KD talk more, not just because of KD's age (much younger) but also his play style. KD does not need to suck all of the air out of the room or dribble all of it out of the basketball to have an impact. LeBron still does, and he no longer is good enough to warrant giving him the keys to highjack your entire offense/franchise.

The durability part is the only positive over KD that I see, but you could argue that LeBron's horrid defense cancels that out, as KD's defense is better at this stage.
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Post#1602 » by MartyConlonJr » Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:20 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm pretty in the middle on the whole LeBron angle. I do think he disrespected people in his exit and he's not any sort of guarantee they compete for a chip next year. On the other hand, I don't really hate him either, and he definitely puts Miami in the conversation.

As to the question of why us over Luka, its all about diminishing returns. Because of LeBron's talents, any great wing you pair him with is always going to have a lesser impact playing next to him, even at this age. I think they did a decent job of playing off each other last year, but there's still a degree of your turn my turn with them. If he comes here, you have a roster of guys that really shouldn't be handling the rock but can be decent finishers (great shooters in Herro/Powell, great lob threats in Bam/Ware). If you're LeBron, and you do prefer this roster (I have no idea, pure speculation and arguing devil's advocate), its because you get to use more of your toolset and the "others" are an upgrade over the Lakers others, even if Luka is obviously a better #2 than either of Bam or Herro.

For me this stuff is all just popcorn for the summer. Probably nothing comes of it. I'm not desperate for him to return, but I won't shun the idea either. The narratives can go either way, you could argue he wants to prove he never needed Miami in the first place... or maybe he wants to cement this as a second home, and show he can win here without a Wade/Bosh? Or maybe he just likes the city and wants to play his last year here? Who really knows.

I will say while I don't care that much either way, I prefer this potential move over the KD one because KD doesn't solve our need for a primary ball handler/creator, he's nearly as old and hasn't shown the same insane iron man durability, and he would have cost us more future potential (a LeBron deal is going to be centered around worthless expirings and at most one project player or pick). Whereas KD is a mid ground that sort of locks us into playing to win now with a guaranteed worse future, LeBron's just a stopgap for this year that doesn't really negatively impact our future.


Exactly, it is duplication of skillsets between Luka and LeBron. They overlap. Only one player can have the high usage and ball in their hands at a time. Heat can field a team of two way players and receivers of Lebrons playmaking.

This is a team of guys that can all play defense to hide that LeBron isnt that player any more, can all shoot the open three, and can all get to the rim to some degree. Bam and Ware as lob threats:
C - Ware
PF - Bam
SF - LeBron
SG - Powell
PG - Mitchell
Thats not considering Herro who should get a lot of shots created for him and improve his efficiency, but would have a similar problem as LeBron and Luka of being not defensive players.

I don't know that anyone looks at the Heat roster with him and says it is a top 4 contender or anything, but it can reasonably look at every team in the East maybe bar Cleveland, who didn't really wow after the Heat series, and say they can compete.

I just see it as a more interesting year for Miami, a narrative, over the alternative, as long as we don't give up our future (picks, Bam) for it.
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Post#1603 » by MartyConlonJr » Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:22 pm

Also I am so confused by what is tampering these days. I would assume UD and the Heat should be receiving a tampering fine for those comments. He is a Heat executive and no reasonable person could assume he wasn't discussing the Heat even if he didnt say the name.
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Post#1604 » by CrossOver » Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:29 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote:Also I am so confused by what is tampering these days. I would assume UD and the Heat should be receiving a tampering fine for those comments. He is a Heat executive and no reasonable person could assume he wasn't discussing the Heat even if he didnt say the name.


He did the same exact thing when discussing KD on the air. They didn't get fined for that.
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Post#1605 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:50 pm

Can someone explain to me how the guy who led the Lakers last season into a tie with the Rockets for the 2nd seed in the West doesn’t impact winning anymore? And yes I know Luka is better than him at this point but LeBron was the 1 constant that got them there. Acting like anyone who thinks LeBron impacts winning these days is just egregiously wrong is actually hilarious because you’re just flat out wrong but so sure of yourself at the same time lol
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Post#1606 » by Vertical Limit » Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:11 pm

Lebron playing wheelchair basketball is better than herro jovic ware put together…. But the untouchables will be untouchable.. until the 2026 offseason when they blow this team up..

Then theyll cry about how the group who got swept by ty jerome, and didnt make the playoffs in 2026, needs another season together
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Post#1607 » by SerialChiller » Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:55 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Can someone explain to me how the guy who led the Lakers last season into a tie with the Rockets for the 2nd seed in the West doesn’t impact winning anymore? And yes I know Luka is better than him at this point but LeBron was the 1 constant that got them there. Acting like anyone who thinks LeBron impacts winning these days is just egregiously wrong is actually hilarious because you’re just flat out wrong but so sure of yourself at the same time lol


When you think Kobe is greater than Lebron that type of delusional stuff is to be expected :lol:.
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Post#1608 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:08 am

Can anyone explain how LeBron’s supposed impact on winning has helped his team in the playoffs? Last time I checked the Lakers are 2-8 the last two playoffs so I just wanted to make sure Im not missing anything
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Post#1609 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:11 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Can someone explain to me how the guy who led the Lakers last season into a tie with the Rockets for the 2nd seed in the West doesn’t impact winning anymore? And yes I know Luka is better than him at this point but LeBron was the 1 constant that got them there. Acting like anyone who thinks LeBron impacts winning these days is just egregiously wrong is actually hilarious because you’re just flat out wrong but so sure of yourself at the same time lol


When you think Kobe is greater than Lebron that type of delusional stuff is to be expected :lol:.


Exactly lmao some of these guys still mad at LeBron for making Pat fly out to try and defend their godfather, Pat forgave him a long time ago. It’s ok!!!
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Post#1610 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:20 am

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Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm pretty in the middle on the whole LeBron angle. I do think he disrespected people in his exit and he's not any sort of guarantee they compete for a chip next year. On the other hand, I don't really hate him either, and he definitely puts Miami in the conversation.

As to the question of why us over Luka, its all about diminishing returns. Because of LeBron's talents, any great wing you pair him with is always going to have a lesser impact playing next to him, even at this age. I think they did a decent job of playing off each other last year, but there's still a degree of your turn my turn with them. If he comes here, you have a roster of guys that really shouldn't be handling the rock but can be decent finishers (great shooters in Herro/Powell, great lob threats in Bam/Ware). If you're LeBron, and you do prefer this roster (I have no idea, pure speculation and arguing devil's advocate), its because you get to use more of your toolset and the "others" are an upgrade over the Lakers others, even if Luka is obviously a better #2 than either of Bam or Herro.

For me this stuff is all just popcorn for the summer. Probably nothing comes of it. I'm not desperate for him to return, but I won't shun the idea either. The narratives can go either way, you could argue he wants to prove he never needed Miami in the first place... or maybe he wants to cement this as a second home, and show he can win here without a Wade/Bosh? Or maybe he just likes the city and wants to play his last year here? Who really knows.

I will say while I don't care that much either way, I prefer this potential move over the KD one because KD doesn't solve our need for a primary ball handler/creator, he's nearly as old and hasn't shown the same insane iron man durability, and he would have cost us more future potential (a LeBron deal is going to be centered around worthless expirings and at most one project player or pick). Whereas KD is a mid ground that sort of locks us into playing to win now with a guaranteed worse future, LeBron's just a stopgap for this year that doesn't really negatively impact our future.


At least you have an actual thought process behind it. I don't agree with pretty much any of it (especially the part about Luca being LeBron's #2...yikes. You all REALLY overrate this man even to this day), but at least you have a thought process behind it.

I have a hard disagree on the KD part, not that it matters anymore though. But I actually understood the KD talk more, not just because of KD's age (much younger) but also his play style. KD does not need to suck all of the air out of the room or dribble all of it out of the basketball to have an impact. LeBron still does, and he no longer is good enough to warrant giving him the keys to highjack your entire offense/franchise.

The durability part is the only positive over KD that I see, but you could argue that LeBron's horrid defense cancels that out, as KD's defense is better at this stage.

Let me clarify, I don't think in any way that LeBron at this stage of his career is better than Luka, my point was more about diminishing returns and fit, regardless of which guy is handling the ball.

As for KD, its a difference of opinion. I see what you're saying, but I don't think LeBron is that ball dominant anymore. What he is though, is a guy who can be your primary ball handler if you need it, and this team needs that. As for the much younger thing, yeah 3 years younger but on a repaired achilles. It makes a difference. Also not sure about the KD being a much better defender comment? LeBron's declined more because he was always a better defender than KD to begin with, but even in his current state of decline he had a better defensive rating and DBPM than KD last year, so not sure that's a point in KD's favor.
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Post#1611 » by batterybro42 » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:42 am

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Post#1612 » by Shewasfly » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:47 am

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Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I'm pretty in the middle on the whole LeBron angle. I do think he disrespected people in his exit and he's not any sort of guarantee they compete for a chip next year. On the other hand, I don't really hate him either, and he definitely puts Miami in the conversation.

As to the question of why us over Luka, its all about diminishing returns. Because of LeBron's talents, any great wing you pair him with is always going to have a lesser impact playing next to him, even at this age. I think they did a decent job of playing off each other last year, but there's still a degree of your turn my turn with them. If he comes here, you have a roster of guys that really shouldn't be handling the rock but can be decent finishers (great shooters in Herro/Powell, great lob threats in Bam/Ware). If you're LeBron, and you do prefer this roster (I have no idea, pure speculation and arguing devil's advocate), its because you get to use more of your toolset and the "others" are an upgrade over the Lakers others, even if Luka is obviously a better #2 than either of Bam or Herro.

For me this stuff is all just popcorn for the summer. Probably nothing comes of it. I'm not desperate for him to return, but I won't shun the idea either. The narratives can go either way, you could argue he wants to prove he never needed Miami in the first place... or maybe he wants to cement this as a second home, and show he can win here without a Wade/Bosh? Or maybe he just likes the city and wants to play his last year here? Who really knows.

I will say while I don't care that much either way, I prefer this potential move over the KD one because KD doesn't solve our need for a primary ball handler/creator, he's nearly as old and hasn't shown the same insane iron man durability, and he would have cost us more future potential (a LeBron deal is going to be centered around worthless expirings and at most one project player or pick). Whereas KD is a mid ground that sort of locks us into playing to win now with a guaranteed worse future, LeBron's just a stopgap for this year that doesn't really negatively impact our future.


At least you have an actual thought process behind it. I don't agree with pretty much any of it (especially the part about Luca being LeBron's #2...yikes. You all REALLY overrate this man even to this day), but at least you have a thought process behind it.

I have a hard disagree on the KD part, not that it matters anymore though. But I actually understood the KD talk more, not just because of KD's age (much younger) but also his play style. KD does not need to suck all of the air out of the room or dribble all of it out of the basketball to have an impact. LeBron still does, and he no longer is good enough to warrant giving him the keys to highjack your entire offense/franchise.

The durability part is the only positive over KD that I see, but you could argue that LeBron's horrid defense cancels that out, as KD's defense is better at this stage.

Let me clarify, I don't think in any way that LeBron at this stage of his career is better than Luka, my point was more about diminishing returns and fit, regardless of which guy is handling the ball.

As for KD, its a difference of opinion. I see what you're saying, but I don't think LeBron is that ball dominant anymore. What he is though, is a guy who can be your primary ball handler if you need it, and this team needs that. As for the much younger thing, yeah 3 years younger but on a repaired achilles. It makes a difference. Also not sure about the KD being a much better defender comment? LeBron's declined more because he was always a better defender than KD to begin with, but even in his current state of decline he had a better defensive rating and DBPM than KD last year, so not sure that's a point in KD's favor.


The Lakers as a whole were good for 6th in the league defensively (it was a 4 way tie, but that's still good for top 10 in the league). They had good defenders all over the floor, including AD up until he was traded, and defense was a focus for their team. I think whatever numbers you quoted he benefitted from that. KD on the other hand was on a terrible defensive team where we can agree that was not at all their focus. But I think in watching the two of them defend one on one the difference was clear. Whether it was because of effort or ability idk, but LeBron was garbage on defense. Laker fans would tell you that.

I do agree we need a primary ball handler though. Its my view that even with the Davion signing we still do not have a starting PG. But I would not prefer to have LeBron in that role either. I just think he's a high risk (for disruption & stagnating the growth of the young players) low reward player at this stage. I guess we'll see what happens but left to me, its a no.
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Post#1614 » by al bondiga » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:26 am

I am reading all this ridiculous lebron comments
If by any chance, he comes here...
It would take a bam trade to la.
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Post#1615 » by marson » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:32 am

Bron is still an elite playmaker when given the right minutes. I'd trust him to be healthy come playoff time more than KD.

If the cost is just Wiggins and Rozier, you make that move. A season with Herro, Bam, Norm, and Jovic makes you an ECF contender.

Would they beat OKC? Probably not, but if you have the opportunity to add the greatest teammate elevating player of all time, you pull the trigger every time.
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Post#1616 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:51 am

Kobewade11 wrote:Can anyone explain how LeBron’s supposed impact on winning has helped his team in the playoffs? Last time I checked the Lakers are 2-8 the last two playoffs so I just wanted to make sure Im not missing anything


It's not specifically bron per se, it was the defense. They just had too many players to hide on defense. They were among the worst defensive teams in the playoffs the last couple of years. He knows this, which is why he's been passive aggressive ever since they let go of their best defender (DFS).

Now he's got 2 turnstiles for side kicks in luka and reeves. Bron ain't no fool, he knows that's a recipe for disaster in the playoffs regardless of how many regular season wins they pile up.
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Post#1617 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:01 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:Can anyone explain how LeBron’s supposed impact on winning has helped his team in the playoffs? Last time I checked the Lakers are 2-8 the last two playoffs so I just wanted to make sure Im not missing anything


It's not specifically bron per se, it was the defense. They just had too many players to hide on defense. They were among the worst defensive teams in the playoffs the last couple of years. He knows this, which is why he's been passive aggressive ever since they let go of their best defender (DFS).

Now he's got 2 turnstiles for side kicks in luka and reeves. Bron ain't no fool, he knows that's a recipe for disaster in the playoffs regardless of how many regular season wins they pile up.

He’s also one of those turnstiles, he doesn’t play a lick of defense lol
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Post#1618 » by carnageta » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:24 am

I'm all for LeBron, if the price is right.

And that price is Wiggins, Rozier, and maybe Jaime or Highsmith if we're getting back change. That's it.
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Post#1619 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:40 am

Kobewade11 wrote:
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Kobewade11 wrote:Can anyone explain how LeBron’s supposed impact on winning has helped his team in the playoffs? Last time I checked the Lakers are 2-8 the last two playoffs so I just wanted to make sure Im not missing anything


It's not specifically bron per se, it was the defense. They just had too many players to hide on defense. They were among the worst defensive teams in the playoffs the last couple of years. He knows this, which is why he's been passive aggressive ever since they let go of their best defender (DFS).

Now he's got 2 turnstiles for side kicks in luka and reeves. Bron ain't no fool, he knows that's a recipe for disaster in the playoffs regardless of how many regular season wins they pile up.

He’s also one of those turnstiles, he doesn’t play a lick of defense lol


I think he can still defend, but due to his age, he takes alot of plays off. It's also why he isn't a SF anymore, I think he prefers to be the low man on defense (pf) and not chase players around the court. Positional defense and rebounding like when he played with AD which also means he'd work great with bam.

You can build a defense around luka and bron because they are offensive engines. But add a 3rd (reeves) or even 4th (rui)? That's doa.
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Post#1620 » by Wiltside » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:40 am

carnageta wrote:I'm all for LeBron, if the price is right.

And that price is Wiggins, Rozier, and maybe Jaime or Highsmith if we're getting back change. That's it.


Basically this.

He raises our ceiling and the floor is pretty much where it is. If it costs us very little, why not?
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