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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#901 » by PaKii94 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:28 am

rosenthall wrote:Thinking about good comps for Noa, I decided to do a little digging.

1). I always thought the Giannis comps were wishful thinking, but I would hope this video of his first summer league dispels even the most optimistic Noa fans that he's somehow on the Giannis track:



In terms of ball skills and offensive repertoire at the same age, Giannis just absolutely crushes Noa in every way imaginable. Watching that video, it's shocking to me that no NBA teams scouted him well enough to take him in the lottery. He looks like such an obviously special talent in hindsight.

2). I think Chet is a closer comp to Noa in terms of functional athleticism. They move in similar ways, both vertically and in space. But Chet clearly has a length to his game that lets him play defense in a way that Noa can't. And Chet's big man handles and offensive game were waaaay more advanced at the same age:



3). I think right now the best comp for Noa is early stage Joakim Noah, or a 6'11 Derrick Jones Jr. Noa and Noah have very similar measurables, as well as types of athleticism. Jo is on. the Mt Rushmore of big man motors, but I think our current Noa competes there too. Looking at this highlight reel -- I think it's the closest match. The game was more big man oriented then, so you see Jo doing a lot of post-ups that wouldn't translate to today, but the perimeter defense, fondness for going coast-to-coast, ability to go north-south and get to the basket -- I think they're quite similar.



I actually was also thinking his comp is DJJ but the potential is maxed out DJJ with giannis like cuts/drives and maybe like 70-80% of giannis's defense.

What makes giannis such a special player is the playmaker ability along with the drives. I don't think noa has that playmaking or ball handling ability. I do think he's a smart player and can be a connective type of passer but I don't see on ball creation from him.

But the body growth/driving ability/cuts could still be the same growth trajectory.

Defensively, Noa doesn't have the explosive/twitch to match Giannis. Noa seems more of a smooth operator type. But again, body/length/agility trajectory is high.

Put all that together above would be a very nice player in his prime. Maybe not MVP/DPOY combo like Giannis but maybe 75-80%? That would be a solid all star imo


Then any type of shooting/playmaking/ball handing improvements would be the cherry on top.

Chet is a different archetype. Noa seems to be a lengthy wing more than a small big. Chet is a skinny big more than a lengthy wing.

Let's see how much more HGH Noa has left :lol: I think he got a few more inches in him
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#902 » by PaKii94 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 3:41 am

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These are the skills/flashes I want to see from him but it's hard to do that in summer League chaos and poor guard play


Did not get the chance to showcase any of this in game 1. On to game 2
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#903 » by Charlesareed » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:18 pm

How is he looking in summer league?
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Post#904 » by DuckIII » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:37 pm

Charlesareed wrote:How is he looking in summer league?


Game 1: “Oof.”

Game 2: “Yay!”
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#905 » by Jcool0 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:51 pm

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Charlesareed wrote:How is he looking in summer league?


Game 1: “Oof.”

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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#906 » by DuckIII » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:03 pm

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Charlesareed wrote:How is he looking in summer league?


Game 1: “Oof.”

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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#907 » by Jcool0 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:10 pm

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I disagree with Larry David.


Its summer league and ultimately meaningless so if you want to be impressed have at it.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#908 » by DuckIII » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:21 pm

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I disagree with Larry David.


Its summer league and ultimately meaningless so if you want to be impressed have at it.


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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#909 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:28 pm

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I disagree with Larry David.


Its summer league and ultimately meaningless so if you want to be impressed have at it.


Bad games: meaningless.

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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#910 » by fleet » Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:08 pm

Charlesareed wrote:How is he looking in summer league?

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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#911 » by Red8911 » Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:28 pm

rosenthall wrote:Thinking about good comps for Noa, I decided to do a little digging.

1). I always thought the Giannis comps were wishful thinking, but I would hope this video of his first summer league dispels even the most optimistic Noa fans that he's somehow on the Giannis track:



In terms of ball skills and offensive repertoire at the same age, Giannis just absolutely crushes Noa in every way imaginable. Watching that video, it's shocking to me that no NBA teams scouted him well enough to take him in the lottery. He looks like such an obviously special talent in hindsight.

2). I think Chet is a closer comp to Noa in terms of functional athleticism. They move in similar ways, both vertically and in space. But Chet clearly has a length to his game that lets him play defense in a way that Noa can't. And Chet's big man handles and offensive game were waaaay more advanced at the same age:



3). I think right now the best comp for Noa is early stage Joakim Noah, or a 6'11 Derrick Jones Jr. Noa and Noah have very similar measurables, as well as types of athleticism. Jo is on. the Mt Rushmore of big man motors, but I think our current Noa competes there too. Looking at this highlight reel -- I think it's the closest match. The game was more big man oriented then, so you see Jo doing a lot of post-ups that wouldn't translate to today, but the perimeter defense, fondness for going coast-to-coast, ability to go north-south and get to the basket -- I think they're quite similar.


How about Tayshaun Prince ?
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#912 » by rosenthall » Mon Jul 14, 2025 8:39 pm

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rosenthall wrote:Thinking about good comps for Noa, I decided to do a little digging.

1). I always thought the Giannis comps were wishful thinking, but I would hope this video of his first summer league dispels even the most optimistic Noa fans that he's somehow on the Giannis track:



In terms of ball skills and offensive repertoire at the same age, Giannis just absolutely crushes Noa in every way imaginable. Watching that video, it's shocking to me that no NBA teams scouted him well enough to take him in the lottery. He looks like such an obviously special talent in hindsight.

2). I think Chet is a closer comp to Noa in terms of functional athleticism. They move in similar ways, both vertically and in space. But Chet clearly has a length to his game that lets him play defense in a way that Noa can't. And Chet's big man handles and offensive game were waaaay more advanced at the same age:



3). I think right now the best comp for Noa is early stage Joakim Noah, or a 6'11 Derrick Jones Jr. Noa and Noah have very similar measurables, as well as types of athleticism. Jo is on. the Mt Rushmore of big man motors, but I think our current Noa competes there too. Looking at this highlight reel -- I think it's the closest match. The game was more big man oriented then, so you see Jo doing a lot of post-ups that wouldn't translate to today, but the perimeter defense, fondness for going coast-to-coast, ability to go north-south and get to the basket -- I think they're quite similar.


How about Tayshaun Prince ?


I thought Prince played a lot more like a regular SF than Noa does.

He had a good 3 PT shot, and was mostly a perimeter player throughout his career. Noa is like a big man with a SF mindset, and occupies this weird space between the two. Tayshaun was a SF with great length.

Noa is much more of a garbage man.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#913 » by Senor Chang » Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:15 pm

rosenthall wrote:Thinking about good comps for Noa, I decided to do a little digging.

1). I always thought the Giannis comps were wishful thinking, but I would hope this video of his first summer league dispels even the most optimistic Noa fans that he's somehow on the Giannis track:



In terms of ball skills and offensive repertoire at the same age, Giannis just absolutely crushes Noa in every way imaginable. Watching that video, it's shocking to me that no NBA teams scouted him well enough to take him in the lottery. He looks like such an obviously special talent in hindsight.

2). I think Chet is a closer comp to Noa in terms of functional athleticism. They move in similar ways, both vertically and in space. But Chet clearly has a length to his game that lets him play defense in a way that Noa can't. And Chet's big man handles and offensive game were waaaay more advanced at the same age:



3). I think right now the best comp for Noa is early stage Joakim Noah, or a 6'11 Derrick Jones Jr. Noa and Noah have very similar measurables, as well as types of athleticism. Jo is on. the Mt Rushmore of big man motors, but I think our current Noa competes there too. Looking at this highlight reel -- I think it's the closest match. The game was more big man oriented then, so you see Jo doing a lot of post-ups that wouldn't translate to today, but the perimeter defense, fondness for going coast-to-coast, ability to go north-south and get to the basket -- I think they're quite similar.


Yes noa is the exact same size as Joakim. He looks like a small forward but his ball handling will need a lot of work. If he wants to play small forward he will have to get with the guy who helped transform Coby from a weak ball handler to a pretty good one.


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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#914 » by nomorezorro » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:14 am

everyone needs to cut out the giannis comparisons. noa is going to be much better
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#915 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:24 am

nomorezorro wrote:everyone needs to cut out the giannis comparisons. noa is going to be much better


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Post#916 » by Senor Chang » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:26 am

nomorezorro wrote:everyone needs to cut out the giannis comparisons. noa is going to be much better

Giannis is his floor. He looks more like KG out there


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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#917 » by _txchilibowl_ » Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:42 am

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Post#918 » by sco » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:26 am

Loved the play tonight.

Showed good energy. Loved him going 3-8 from 3 and 4-4 from the line. Nice showing. He'll get a bigger role next game with Matas being done.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#919 » by Chi town » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:28 am

Alright, after first 3 games a few observations…

- His length, 2nd jump and IQ are elite on D

- He’s aggressive and picks his spots you bc pick see against Pacers he was peeking for steals but didn’t go for it yet. Eventually he will and will bait teams into passes etc. You can see he knows what is happening and anticipates what will happen

- He’s a bucket or airball. Good news is form looks good and it’s mostly not stepping into his shot. His setup is a bit slow but mechanics are consistent and arc and rotation are very consistent. He just needs to step into it every time.

- Once Noa has Giddey and Tre giving him dimes with a floor stretched out he will get lots of easy buckets

- downhill he can fight through contact and get to the rim. His bump into a middy fadeaway is a good move for him

- he has really good body control and is excellent at drawing contact and FTs.

- he can absolutely fly up and down the court

- he boxes his man out and watches his man until the ball is on the rim. He will miss some rebounds personally this way but his guy won’t ever get the board. He will learn to watch box and then go get it

- I like how he lets it fly from 3 just like Buz as a rook. He shoots contested 3s without blinking because his shot will never get blocked without getting fouled due to his length

- He will struggle and fight back and figure it out. I’m high on his mentality. Could see him getting all of Pat’s mins by mid season if he no shows again.

- at this stage he’s a jumbo wing much like Buz. Just bigger and longer. Think he will add more weight than Buz as he has wider shoulders.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#920 » by GuardianEnzo » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:40 am

Noa has a chance to be a truly elite defender. With his length, size, and quickness obviously - but just general agility is off the charts. The Giannis comparisons never made sense, because Giannis is pure explosion. Noa is smooth, more a glider, almost balletic - he moves like a figure skater.

The offense? Who knows. For now just pick and roll to the cup and make off-ball cuts to the basket. He can get by as a dunker and overall finisher.

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