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[Shaffty]

Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks

This seems like just a bit of a stretch.

To me the things Josh Hart and Cole Anthony bring as guards is toughness, competive spirit, rebounding, tenacity on defense and timely scoring. They are not afraid to "stick their nose in there" if you are fimilar with football guy terms

I think guys like that can look bad on some teams and really good on other teams, and I think those things are something the team last year SORELY missed. Dame/GTJ/AJGreen dont really bring that dirty work type grab your lunch pale and hard hat type guard play.

I think Giannis does so much and impacts the game so much a guy who can do those things that help you win games and push possesions in your favor can have outsized impacts with him because +5% to the win chance when your team is at 50% its nothing, but when your team has giannis a 5% boost from someone else on the team can literally swing everything.

[tski1972]

Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks

This seems like just a bit of a stretch.

Maybe, but if you recall, folks weren't super high on Hart right before The Knicks traded for him. His 3ball wasnt and he looked like a guy who may no longer fit the modern nba.

In the best case scenario, hes obviously not Josh Hart since he lacks the size and wingspan, but could become a spark plug for us and dominate the glass against reserve units.

The guy is 25, a plus athlete, and has a dog mentality. Very glad we are giving him a shot.

If I recall, this board has been super high on acquiring Josh Hart ever since he was drafted.

[MikeIsGood]

This seems like just a bit of a stretch.

Maybe, but if you recall, folks weren't super high on Hart right before The Knicks traded for him. His 3ball wasnt and he looked like a guy who may no longer fit the modern nba.

In the best case scenario, hes obviously not Josh Hart since he lacks the size and wingspan, but could become a spark plug for us and dominate the glass against reserve units.

The guy is 25, a plus athlete, and has a dog mentality. Very glad we are giving him a shot.

If I recall, this board has been super high on acquiring Josh Hart ever since he was drafted.

Yeah, 'not high on Hart' is just not at all true at least around these parts. Been trying to trade for Hart since the day he was drafted, and theres a bunch of people here high on him. Always been a darling on the 10M+ Reddit sub too.

[Chad34]

The more I hear about Cole Anthony, the more I believe that he's not really moving the needle at all for this team except for that one game a month where he really shows out. I can see many games where Kuz, TP and Cole all crap the bed together because of their inconsistency.

This is going to be a frustrating rollercoaster of a season.

Nah, wrong, for one Kuz is going to be gone, I believe in our insiders report

[Profound23]

The more I hear about Cole Anthony, the more I believe that he's not really moving the needle at all for this team except for that one game a month where he really shows out. I can see many games where Kuz, TP and Cole all crap the bed together because of their inconsistency.

This is going to be a frustrating rollercoaster of a season.

So basically Dame...except not 50mil per season

[Profound23]

Cole anthony is a guy whose stats dont do him justice. His impact on this team will be much like josh harts on the knicks

I do like how good of a rebounder Anthony is.

And the general athleticism albeit from an undersized 2 kind of guy.

Hope you’re right! Josh Hart is some seriously high praise.

Josh Hart is a good player who is totally switchable. Comparing Hart to Anthony is like comparing Giannis to Thanasis.

A little hyperbole.

I'd say comparing Anthony to Hart is like comparing Aaron Gordon to Giannis if you want to make it more realistic.

Giannis is a top five player while Thanasis is a bottom five player....have to at least make it closer.

[MickeyDavis]

The roster is in a good place if the board spends most of it's time debating traded/cut/minimum salary Cole **** Anthony. I get it. There's not much else to talk about. I'm ready for camp to open.

[Mags FTW]

Including the play-in, Anthony had 9 20-point games last year. I think between him, Trent, Green, etc. you are just hoping that you get a hot hand from at least one of them each night.

[El Pooch Grande]

Did anyone mention this report that were apparently in the running for Al Horford still?

[c00lhand208]

I like this roster if this is what Bucks have built..

Porter (30)/Rollins (18)
Green (30)/Anthony (18)
Trent (30)/Kuzma (18)
Giannis (36)/Kuzma (6)/Portis (6)
Turner (30)/Portis (18)

I’m not sure though this us what Bucks have built..

I have it looking more like this currently:

PG: Porter, Anthony, Rollins

SG: Trent, Rollins, Green, Porter

SF: Green, Prince, Kuzma, Trent

PF: Giannis, Bobby, Kuzma

C: Turner, Giannis, Sims

Deep Bench:

Harris
Jackson
Smith
Thanasis(?)

With a rotational minute breakdown that looks something like this:

Giannis = ~32 min [~17@PF|~15@C]
‪Turner = ~28 [@C]
Porter = ~28 [~24@PG|~4@SG]
Trent = ~28 [~24@SG|~4@SF]
‪Bobby = ~26 [@PF]
‪Green = ~24 [~19@SG|~5@SF]
‪Rollins = ~24 [~15@SG|~9@PG]
Anthony = ~15 [@PG]
‪Prince = ~15 (or 20 or 10 or 5) [@SF]
‪Kuzma = ~15 (or 10 or 5) [~10@SF|~5@PF]
Sims = ~5 [@C]
Harris = 0 (or 5 or 10 or 15) [@SF/SG]

It’ll be intriguing to see how the minutes get allocated between KPJ & RR at both guard positions. Right now I have it such that the minutes at PG are dominated by KPJ and the SG minutes are dominated by RR; effectively leading to Rollins becoming the 3rd PG & the 2nd SG option; though, a more even dispersion could materialize.

Similarly for Trent & Green between SG and Small Forward. I also have Green in the starting lineup at SF, but that’s far from a sure thing.

Harris is a guy I could see potentially eating into the minutes of Kuzma & possibly Prince at SF in extended small ball situations; plus, he’s the defacto emergency depth option at SG too or someone who may be called upon for specific defensive end-of-game situations at either guard spot. He also, more or less, makes Andre Jackson Jr. completely expendable.

Between Prince, Kuzma, & Harris at SF I think there’s plenty of variance based on matchup, fouls, & hot hand. But ideally, the Bucks can and will find a way to majorly upgrade the SF position this season even if it requires waiting until the trade deadline. No panic deals involving the ‘31 1st or key players (like AJ Green) for non-needle movers. There’s approximately ~30 or so minutes available to a real difference maker at SF in replacement.

30 mpg of Kuz and Prince at SF is a glaring weakness.

I’m good with Prince’s catch & shoot 3 spacing effectiveness and efficiency; plus, he does a good job swinging the ball, keeping it moving if it’s not a good look. He’s a solid FT shooter and his general bball IQ is okay too. He’s not really a creator nor does he have the natural passing chops of a playmaker. On D, he struggles quite a bit guarding those with quick first steps and he doesn’t have much recovery athleticism or ability to challenge above the rim so alternative SF options are needed. Nevertheless, happy to have him as a backup SF on a minimum as someone who can play a useful role.

Kuzma isn’t much better on D; though, he’s more versatile and his length allows him to challenge shots easier including above the rim. He lacks shooting efficiency, provides little spacing effectiveness, which complicates paint penetration and basket attacks by teammates. He’s another bad FT shooter, which isn’t ideal, and his bball IQ isn’t all that impressive either. Kuzma is better in transition, as a playmaker, and as a basket attacker in comparison to Prince, but not by enough impact-wise to warrant playing him big SF minutes over Prince or anybody else given all his warts. Minimal-ish minutes will come his way to maintain some trade value and he may see minute bumps in matchup situations when playing against bigger and more athletic wings. Hopefully he’s extra motivated, gets into the best shape of his life, drills himself tirelessly to improve his FT and corner 3 shot, plus maximizes his concentration effort on D because as is he’s not a good roster fit; especially, at his salary cost, but his salary is needed to target higher salary SFs in a trade.

IMO, one of the last roster spots should go to someone above 6’4” who can split backup SF minutes with Prince (if Kuzma completely **** the bed) who doesn’t have a complete aversion towards scoring — referencing Andre Jackson Jr. In Free Agency, I lean towards Alec Burks and Amir Coffey as more proven options; plus, Caleb Houstan and Brandon Boston Jr. as more developmental options. Of course, I could also be talked into a final roster spot going to Al Horford as a direct backup for Myles Turner as to minimize style of play changes if Myles wasn’t available for a period of time.

[msiris]

The more I hear about Cole Anthony, the more I believe that he's not really moving the needle at all for this team except for that one game a month where he really shows out. I can see many games where Kuz, TP and Cole all crap the bed together because of their inconsistency.

This is going to be a frustrating rollercoaster of a season.

Nah, wrong, for one Kuz is going to be gone, I believe in our insiders report

And what was that?

[midranger]

I can only wish that Cole Anthony had the game to game, month to month, year to year consistency of our other non-minimum backcourt players like….. [checks notes]

Kevin Porter Jr
AJ Green
Ryan Rollins
Gary Trent Jr

Those are guys whose production you can set your watch to.

[Chad34]

The more I hear about Cole Anthony, the more I believe that he's not really moving the needle at all for this team except for that one game a month where he really shows out. I can see many games where Kuz, TP and Cole all crap the bed together because of their inconsistency.

This is going to be a frustrating rollercoaster of a season.

Nah, wrong, for one Kuz is going to be gone, I believe in our insiders report

And what was that?

That Kuzma will be traded and it will be significant

[soxperry]

Maybe, but if you recall, folks weren't super high on Hart right before The Knicks traded for him. His 3ball wasnt and he looked like a guy who may no longer fit the modern nba.

In the best case scenario, hes obviously not Josh Hart since he lacks the size and wingspan, but could become a spark plug for us and dominate the glass against reserve units.

The guy is 25, a plus athlete, and has a dog mentality. Very glad we are giving him a shot.

If I recall, this board has been super high on acquiring Josh Hart ever since he was drafted.

Yeah, 'not high on Hart' is just not at all true at least around these parts. Been trying to trade for Hart since the day he was drafted, and theres a bunch of people here high on him. Always been a darling on the 10M+ Reddit sub too.

Yes, i recall the constant pining. But i also recall when that pining dipped as he put up 30% from 3 that last season in Portland. I think the fact that hes been so important to NY has revised a lot of those memories but i was here, man. I was here.

[paulpressey25]

I can only wish that Cole Anthony had the game to game, month to month, year to year consistency of our other non-minimum backcourt players like….. [checks notes]

Kevin Porter Jr
AJ Green
Ryan Rollins
Gary Trent Jr

Those are guys whose production you can set your watch to.

Well played. That said, from the games I’ve seen of Cole, he absolutely chucks with no conscious. The other four guys above seem to be able to play more within a scheme. That’s my issue

[stillgotgame]

The more I hear about Cole Anthony, the more I believe that he's not really moving the needle at all for this team except for that one game a month where he really shows out. I can see many games where Kuz, TP and Cole all crap the bed together because of their inconsistency.

This is going to be a frustrating rollercoaster of a season.

But this will be great for Real Gm. Imagine this board with Kuzma, Anthony and Prince on the court. The headline will declare: Mediocrity Rules.

Knowing Doc I fully expect them to be out there together

[paulpressey25]

Again, all of this is immaterial if Doc plays the best players. Ain't gonna happen. Doc doesn't want Cole's dad calling him up.

Always read your posts in the voice of Barry Weiss (compliment). And this one was a gem. 100% accurate. So many times on this board we talk about players and coaches in a vacuum. But they are real people who see each other every day. And normal human reactions and politics abound aplenty.

I’m still not necessarily opposed to the signing because we’re so damn desperate at PG. But yes, I’m sure Doc and Greg Anthony are text/golf buddies. Even Brawl Brothers from their days on the Knicks. Watch that clip. Anthony comes off the bench in street clothes to punch KJ to defend Doc’s honor.

Read on Twitter

[ReasonablySober]

Read on Twitter

[midranger]

I can only wish that Cole Anthony had the game to game, month to month, year to year consistency of our other non-minimum backcourt players like….. [checks notes]

Kevin Porter Jr
AJ Green
Ryan Rollins
Gary Trent Jr

Those are guys whose production you can set your watch to.

Well played. That said, from the games I’ve seen of Cole, he absolutely chucks with no conscious. The other four guys above seem to be able to play more within a scheme. That’s my issue

He’s 5th on the list.

If we suck because Cole Anthony’s consistency, we have much bigger issues than Cole Anthony. Primarily, we don’t really have an obvious starting guard on the roster. We have 5 misfit toys and have to hope 3 hit. I don’t view Cole Anthony as significantly less likely to than a guy like Ryan Rollins.

[raferfenix]

Horst/Doc are making the bet some combo of the hungry kids with potential we’ve stockpiled in the backcourt will hit.

Someone posted Cole will be the second youngest player in the rotation if that’s right?

On the face of it I’m good taking a swing on a young athlete than trotting out the next version of old man Teague/Payne/Wright/Augustin etc.