Summer League 2025

[clyde21]

everyone is beating around the bush when it comes to Coop because people are scared of this comp but his closest analog is LeBron James in terms of size, skill traits and strengths/weaknesses. obviously he doesn't have LeBron's super athleticism but other than that, they are the exact archetype.

Coop will be be (or should be) what LeBron would've looked like without the elite athletic traits.

[Duke4life831]

everyone is beating around the bush when it comes to Coop because people are scared of this comp but his closest analog is LeBron James in terms of size, skill traits and strengths/weaknesses. obviously he doesn't have LeBron's super athleticism but other than that, they are the exact archetype.

Coop will be be (or should be) what LeBron would've looked like without the elite athletic traits.

Ya I think LeBron’s vision and facilitating was further along than Flagg’s is at 18. But on the flip side, Flagg’s jumper is much further along than LeBron’s at this age.

But ya just putting it in base terms. You’re talking about a 6’8 wing with elite defensive potential and a legit point forward foundation.

Since LeBron, how many guys legitimately fit that archetype? Off the top of my head, Ben Simmons is really the only guy I can think of. And Simmons had two major red flags coming into the league and it seems like both things leading to where his career is currently at.

1. Not just a bad shooter, but someone with a completely broken jumper and was hesitant to shoot even at the high school and college level.

2. Personality red flag. This again went all the way back to high school. The question with Simmons was always, does he love basketball? Is he humble enough to acknowledge his flaws and work on them? And he was just known as unlikeable since high school.

Flagg doesn’t have those question marks. Ya he’s not LeBron as an athlete, but it’s not like he’s a bad athlete. Even against NBA wings, he will be viewed as a + athlete. He’s just not a freak like LeBron. And he isn’t built like LeBron or Simmons.

But ya, 6’8 wing with elite defensive potential and legit high level point forward potential. Those don’t grow on trees

[Cammo101]

everyone is beating around the bush when it comes to Coop because people are scared of this comp but his closest analog is LeBron James in terms of size, skill traits and strengths/weaknesses. obviously he doesn't have LeBron's super athleticism but other than that, they are the exact archetype.

Coop will be be (or should be) what LeBron would've looked like without the elite athletic traits.

Not seeing that. He's much closer to Pippen or Kawhi IMO.

[EvanZ]

Coop can be a better shooting Grant Hill who hopefully doesn’t get derailed by injuries.

[FrodoBaggins]

everyone is beating around the bush when it comes to Coop because people are scared of this comp but his closest analog is LeBron James in terms of size, skill traits and strengths/weaknesses. obviously he doesn't have LeBron's super athleticism but other than that, they are the exact archetype.

Coop will be be (or should be) what LeBron would've looked like without the elite athletic traits.

It's a comparison (with modifiers) I've made before:

Screw it. I'm all in. I think he'll be the best American player since Curry. Better than CP3, KD, and Harden. And his game will resemble a less explosive but smoother & more agile, 20-pound lighter version of LBJ, but with better shooting and defense. A 240-pound SF/PF point forward All-Pro defender with 85%+ FT, 37-40%+ 3PT, 45% mid-range level shooting. 25+ ppg, 7+ rpg, 6+ apg, 1.5+ spg, 1.5+ bpg.

So, yeah, I'm really high on Coop. I'm trusting the data & indicators, and they're all pointing toward a special player.

Physical Differences:

Size: LBJ +20 pounds heavier. Cooper longer leg length; higher center of gravity.
Athleticism: LBJ more powerful/explosive, jumps higher & runs faster. Stronger due to weight advantage. Cooper superior flexibility, agility (change of pace & direction), longer stride. Smoother, more fluid mover. Quicker leaper, especially off two feet.

I'm not sure who's quicker. James' first step was never all-time; he's admitted this himself. Top-end speed, though? Easily James.

[FrodoBaggins]

A nice player comparison video. Shows the most similarities with Pippen out of the guys shown, in my opinion. Tatum and Kawhi don't play off two feet like Cooper & Scottie. Andrei doesn't have the on-ball offensive game and is significantly taller and longer, standing at 6'9" barefoot, with a 7'4" wingspan and a standing reach of 9'0" to 9'3".

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[clyde21]

everyone is beating around the bush when it comes to Coop because people are scared of this comp but his closest analog is LeBron James in terms of size, skill traits and strengths/weaknesses. obviously he doesn't have LeBron's super athleticism but other than that, they are the exact archetype.

Coop will be be (or should be) what LeBron would've looked like without the elite athletic traits.

It's a comparison (with modifiers) I've made before:

Screw it. I'm all in. I think he'll be the best American player since Curry. Better than CP3, KD, and Harden. And his game will resemble a less explosive but smoother & more agile, 20-pound lighter version of LBJ, but with better shooting and defense. A 240-pound SF/PF point forward All-Pro defender with 85%+ FT, 37-40%+ 3PT, 45% mid-range level shooting. 25+ ppg, 7+ rpg, 6+ apg, 1.5+ spg, 1.5+ bpg.

So, yeah, I'm really high on Coop. I'm trusting the data & indicators, and they're all pointing toward a special player.

Physical Differences:

Size: LBJ +20 pounds heavier. Cooper longer leg length; higher center of gravity.
Athleticism: LBJ more powerful/explosive, jumps higher & runs faster. Stronger due to weight advantage. Cooper superior flexibility, agility (change of pace & direction), longer stride. Smoother, more fluid mover. Quicker leaper, especially off two feet.

I'm not sure who's quicker. James' first step was never all-time; he's admitted this himself. Top-end speed, though? Easily James.

it's an obvious comp in terms of archetype, 6-8 point forward types, both can defend 1-5 potentially on some level, both should be high level scorers as well but have some questions marks in terms of jump shots and 3 pt shooting.

the comp is right there. people are throwing around other players that have been comp'd to LeBron like Hill or Pippen or Butler or whatever because they don't want to make the direct comp to LeBron but it's the most obvious one.

again, this is not saying he'll be anywhere near LeBron as a player. it's strictly an archetype/playstyle comp. obviously LeBron is a different type of athlete and we won't get the same flash plays with Coop (chase down blocks, highlights dunks, etc.).

[tontoz]

Through 2 games Tre has 39 pts shooting 14-24 from the field, 5-11 from 3s. Few of these looks have been open catch and shoot.

[bucknut]

Flagg is a good shot creator and has nowhere near Kirilenko's size, it's a completely racially based comp. Flagg is a super charged Jimmy Butler.

His biomechanics most resemble kirilenko. mechanical and square.

The most common players he has been compared too are not superstars. Lebron is the first superstar comp I've heard. Pippen is debatable a superstar and ive heard lots of Aaron gordon.

Have you ever seen a superstar who lacks the flexion to make sharp cuts hes attempting to make ????

He can't operate with the ball as a ballhandler in short areas to do anything other then straight line bully ball or fadeaway. - and even on straight line drives in short areas he can't really do ....because its those first two steps. He needs momentum or he slips

If we are coming him to lebron I would say current lebron. Who lacks the flexibility and explosiveness of younger lebron.

[bucknut]

This is the first year ive really noticed lebron slipping when hes trying to cut in the paint

[The-Power]

Talk about overreaction much...

I've had yang and fears 2 and 3 before summer league. But the more I think about it

My big board right now after coops 31 is
1 yang
2 fears
3 coop would be in the conversation here. I need to see more of beringer. If we are basing this on best summer league game beringer.

You talking about others overreacting when you moved up Fears (who has been outright bad this SL by the way) ahead of Cooper and Yang all the way from #24 to #1 all based on a couple SL games is quite rich.

[bucknut]

Talk about overreaction much...

I've had yang and fears 2 and 3 before summer league. But the more I think about it

My big board right now after coops 31 is
1 yang
2 fears
3 coop would be in the conversation here. I need to see more of beringer. If we are basing this on best summer league game beringer.

You talking about others overreacting when you moved up Fears (who has been outright bad this SL by the way) ahead of Cooper and Yang all the way from #24 to #1 all based on a couple SL games is quite rich.

Read again. Yang was number 3 before summer league on my board.

The fact I am moving fears up despite a poor summer league is quite the opposite of overreacting. His efficiency sucks and 3 ball still looks bad. I stand with what i said. Nice try.

[EvanZ]

Talk about overreaction much...

I've had yang and fears 2 and 3 before summer league. But the more I think about it

My big board right now after coops 31 is
1 yang
2 fears
3 coop would be in the conversation here. I need to see more of beringer. If we are basing this on best summer league game beringer.

You talking about others overreacting when you moved up Fears (who has been outright bad this SL by the way) ahead of Cooper and Yang all the way from #24 to #1 all based on a couple SL games is quite rich.

Read again. Yang was number 3 before summer league on my board.

The fact I am moving fears up despite a poor summer league is quite the opposite of overreacting. His efficiency sucks and 3 ball still looks bad. I stand with what i said. Nice try.

But like why? Why bro? Fears has just looked bad. He can't make a simple layup. He turns the ball over way way way too much. He's not close to being ready to contribute. He's behind where Scoot was his rookie season most likely. You're not the only one to be high on Fears. In fact I had him 3 on my final Draft Board, so you're not even ahead of me there. But if anything, I'm realizing I probably made a mistake and bought too much into the flashes. But bro, you're seeing him in SL, and moving him from 24 -> 2? That is some wild wild stuff.

[Klomp]

Today's Ron Holland vs. TJ Shannon matchup should be a lot of fun!

[Klomp]

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[bucknut]

You talking about others overreacting when you moved up Fears (who has been outright bad this SL by the way) ahead of Cooper and Yang all the way from #24 to #1 all based on a couple SL games is quite rich.

Read again. Yang was number 3 before summer league on my board.

The fact I am moving fears up despite a poor summer league is quite the opposite of overreacting. His efficiency sucks and 3 ball still looks bad. I stand with what i said. Nice try.

But like why? Why bro? Fears has just looked bad. He can't make a simple layup. He turns the ball over way way way too much. He's not close to being ready to contribute. He's behind where Scoot was his rookie season most likely. You're not the only one to be high on Fears. In fact I had him 3 on my final Draft Board, so you're not even ahead of me there. But if anything, I'm realizing I probably made a mistake and bought too much into the flashes. But bro, you're seeing him in SL, and moving him from 24 -> 2? That is some wild wild stuff.

Show me proof I had fears ranked lower then 2 once??? Not sure what your deal is but since you seem obsessed with tracking bad picks I make i guess we will see who has the better overall big board in a few years. Lets both bookmark that.

[EvanZ]

Read again. Yang was number 3 before summer league on my board.

The fact I am moving fears up despite a poor summer league is quite the opposite of overreacting. His efficiency sucks and 3 ball still looks bad. I stand with what i said. Nice try.

But like why? Why bro? Fears has just looked bad. He can't make a simple layup. He turns the ball over way way way too much. He's not close to being ready to contribute. He's behind where Scoot was his rookie season most likely. You're not the only one to be high on Fears. In fact I had him 3 on my final Draft Board, so you're not even ahead of me there. But if anything, I'm realizing I probably made a mistake and bought too much into the flashes. But bro, you're seeing him in SL, and moving him from 24 -> 2? That is some wild wild stuff.

Show me proof I had fears ranked lower then 2 once??? Not sure what your deal is but since you seem obsessed with tracking bad picks I make i guess we will see who has the better overall big board in a few years. Lets both bookmark that.

Bro you literally told EVERYONE you moved him up and I saw your board in the Mock Draft forum. You had him 3 viewtopic.php?p=119357698#p119357698

I guess it’s Clown School though and you’re the valedictorian.

Your comment doesn’t make any sense because I already told you I had him third on my board. So are you saying I’m wrong or you’re wrong? LOL

[bucknut]

But like why? Why bro? Fears has just looked bad. He can't make a simple layup. He turns the ball over way way way too much. He's not close to being ready to contribute. He's behind where Scoot was his rookie season most likely. You're not the only one to be high on Fears. In fact I had him 3 on my final Draft Board, so you're not even ahead of me there. But if anything, I'm realizing I probably made a mistake and bought too much into the flashes. But bro, you're seeing him in SL, and moving him from 24 -> 2? That is some wild wild stuff.

Show me proof I had fears ranked lower then 2 once??? Not sure what your deal is but since you seem obsessed with tracking bad picks I make i guess we will see who has the better overall big board in a few years. Lets both bookmark that.

Bro you literally told EVERYONE you moved him up and I saw your board in the Mock Draft forum. You had him 3 viewtopic.php?p=119357698#p119357698

I guess it’s Clown School though and you’re the valedictorian.

Your comment doesn’t make any sense because I already told you I had him third on my board. So are you saying I’m wrong or you’re wrong? LOL

No one even knows what your trying to accomplish besides being a troll

Yes, I moved fears up 3 to 2 and yang from 24 to 3 before summer league after watching some more film

And after first day of summer league moved yang to number 1 and fears to number 2

[SeattleJazzFan]

Jeremiah Fears might have the worst assist to turnover ration in summer league history. in three games, 3 assists 16 turnovers. that's crazy.

He's also 2-12 from three in the three games.

At what point are NBA teams going to realize drafting short guys who can't shoot early in the lottery is a really bad gamble.

Fears or any other short guy who can't shoot could possibly or in theory become a great nba player (let's not pretend summer league means much of anything, especially for a guy as young as Fears), but it's so off the charts unlikely that you just can't draft those dudes top 10. the risk/reward is completely out of whack. it's hard enough overcoming just being short even if you can shoot. now you have to hope your guy goes from a bad shooter to a great shooter and is good enough to overcome the size issue as well.

[EvanZ]

Jeremiah Fears might have the worst assist to turnover ration in summer league history. in three games, 3 assists 16 turnovers. that's crazy.

He's also 2-12 from three in the three games.

At what point are NBA teams going to realize drafting short guys who can't shoot early in the lottery is a really bad gamble.

Fears or any other short guy who can't shoot could possibly or in theory become a great nba player (let's not pretend summer league means much of anything, especially for a guy as young as Fears), but it's so off the charts unlikely that you just can't draft those dudes top 10. the risk/reward is completely out of whack. it's hard enough overcoming just being short even if you can shoot. now you have to hope your guy goes from a bad shooter to a great shooter and is good enough to overcome the size issue as well.

Wait, are you sure it's not his teammate Derik Queen?

These dudes combined for 15 turnovers last night lol.