Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[KGdaBom]

Probably the most realistic one I'll ever come up with.
DDV for Alvarado and Jordan Hawkins.
Boom.

I hate it. DDV is a great volume 3 point shooter and does a lot of things well. Borderline Star in NY and in his prime. I'm expecting huge things from DDV.

[Norseman79]

A lot of the talk here has been about adding a Top 10 PG. Has Mike Conley been a Top 10 PG in either of these two seasons? Not even close.

Did we make the NBA finals or when a championship either of those two seasons? Not even close.

So we should change what was working? You sound like Mat Ishbia....go to the Finals but because he lost he completely changed the direction of the franchise rather than staying patient.

I'm talking about changing the entire direction? I'm talking about dumping a rookie who didn't play last year, and a shooting guard who didn't shoot great last year, for a potential starting point guard to help solidify the lineup. Let us also not forget that after we went to the Western conference finals, we traded Karl Anthony Towns, not like it's unheard of.

[Norseman79]

Probably the most realistic one I'll ever come up with.
DDV for Alvarado and Jordan Hawkins.
Boom.

I hate it. DDV is a great volume 3 point shooter and does a lot of things well. Borderline Star in NY and in his prime. I'm expecting huge things from DDV.

I wouldn't do that trade either

[winforlose]

A lot of the talk here has been about adding a Top 10 PG. Has Mike Conley been a Top 10 PG in either of these two seasons? Not even close.

Did we make the NBA finals or when a championship either of those two seasons? Not even close.

So we should change what was working? You sound like Mat Ishbia....go to the Finals but because he lost he completely changed the direction of the franchise rather than staying patient.

Didn’t Boston change their approach, upgrade their roster, and win a championship? Didn’t Dallas do the same thing to get to the finals after years of futility? Your point is that making changes can go badly, but it can also go well. Look at OKC 23/24 and 24/25.

[Klomp]

Did we make the NBA finals or when a championship either of those two seasons? Not even close.

So we should change what was working? You sound like Mat Ishbia....go to the Finals but because he lost he completely changed the direction of the franchise rather than staying patient.

I'm talking about changing the entire direction? I'm talking about dumping a rookie who didn't play last year, and a shooting guard who didn't shoot great last year, for a potential starting point guard to help solidify the lineup. Let us also not forget that after we went to the Western conference finals, we traded Karl Anthony Towns, not like it's unheard of.

Which goes back to my original point.

What does Finch's system rely on? Ant and a PF/C initiate probably 85% of plays. Yes, we traded Towns, but for a player in Randle who Finch had firsthand knowledge that he could fit into the scheme. And the team had targeted DiVincenzo previously as a low-usage perimeter player to play off of the initial action.

High usage PGs are not a necessity in Finch's system, unless you want to turn Ant into a low usage secondary option.

[Klomp]

Did we make the NBA finals or when a championship either of those two seasons? Not even close.

So we should change what was working? You sound like Mat Ishbia....go to the Finals but because he lost he completely changed the direction of the franchise rather than staying patient.

Didn’t Boston change their approach, upgrade their roster, and win a championship? Didn’t Dallas do the same thing to get to the finals after years of futility? Your point is that making changes can go badly, but it can also go well. Look at OKC 23/24 and 24/25.

WTF are you even talking about? Of course changes can go well. We've seen that over the last 4 seasons with Connelly and Finch running the show. But some people would rather blow it up because it isn't the way they would build the roster if they were running the team.

[Norseman79]

So we should change what was working? You sound like Mat Ishbia....go to the Finals but because he lost he completely changed the direction of the franchise rather than staying patient.

I'm talking about changing the entire direction? I'm talking about dumping a rookie who didn't play last year, and a shooting guard who didn't shoot great last year, for a potential starting point guard to help solidify the lineup. Let us also not forget that after we went to the Western conference finals, we traded Karl Anthony Towns, not like it's unheard of.

Which goes back to my original point.

What does Finch's system rely on? Ant and a PF/C initiate probably 85% of plays. Yes, we traded Towns, but for a player in Randle who Finch had firsthand knowledge that he could fit into the scheme. And the team had targeted DiVincenzo previously as a low-usage perimeter player to play off of the initial action.

High usage PGs are not a necessity in Finch's system, unless you want to turn Ant into a low usage secondary option.

Finch's system, if you will, is heavily dependent on one-on-one isolation ball, and when it turns stagnant, it's a major problem. It does not turn ant into a low usage second option, that's b*******. Maybe Ant could then play off the ball some and actually get plays ran for him so everything doesn't have to be him creating for himself. Also, who said anything about getting a high usage point guard? Simply somebody who could play solid defense, get the offense set up and control the ball, and get it where it needs to go when it's time to go there. You know, pretty much what Mike did and does when he actually is able to play and be effective.

[Norseman79]

So we should change what was working? You sound like Mat Ishbia....go to the Finals but because he lost he completely changed the direction of the franchise rather than staying patient.

Didn’t Boston change their approach, upgrade their roster, and win a championship? Didn’t Dallas do the same thing to get to the finals after years of futility? Your point is that making changes can go badly, but it can also go well. Look at OKC 23/24 and 24/25.

WTF are you even talking about? Of course changes can go well. We've seen that over the last 4 seasons with Connelly and Finch running the show. But some people would rather blow it up because it isn't the way they would build the roster if they were running the team.

Who was talking about blowing anything up? I didn't see one person mentioned blowing up the team.

[Domejandro]

Probably the most realistic one I'll ever come up with.
DDV for Alvarado and Jordan Hawkins.
Boom.

I hate it. DDV is a great volume 3 point shooter and does a lot of things well. Borderline Star in NY and in his prime. I'm expecting huge things from DDV.

No comment on the trade, but while Donte DiVincenzo was solid in New York, he was nowhere in the stratosphere of being considered a borderline star, if we are being real. He was a solid, starting-caliber player.

[Klomp]

Didn’t Boston change their approach, upgrade their roster, and win a championship? Didn’t Dallas do the same thing to get to the finals after years of futility? Your point is that making changes can go badly, but it can also go well. Look at OKC 23/24 and 24/25.

WTF are you even talking about? Of course changes can go well. We've seen that over the last 4 seasons with Connelly and Finch running the show. But some people would rather blow it up because it isn't the way they would build the roster if they were running the team.

Who was talking about blowing anything up? I didn't see one person mentioned blowing up the team.

You were talking about trading for a PG who "moves the needle", no?

[KGdaBom]

Probably the most realistic one I'll ever come up with.
DDV for Alvarado and Jordan Hawkins.
Boom.

I hate it. DDV is a great volume 3 point shooter and does a lot of things well. Borderline Star in NY and in his prime. I'm expecting huge things from DDV.

No comment on the trade, but while Donte DiVincenzo was solid in New York, he was nowhere in the stratosphere of being considered a borderline star, if we are being real. He was a solid, starting-caliber player.

Kind of like Naz being a star in his 6th man of the Year season. Not a STAR, Star, just a star. Borderline. It's how I see it. You clearly have a higher bar for borderline star than I do.

[Norseman79]

WTF are you even talking about? Of course changes can go well. We've seen that over the last 4 seasons with Connelly and Finch running the show. But some people would rather blow it up because it isn't the way they would build the roster if they were running the team.

Who was talking about blowing anything up? I didn't see one person mentioned blowing up the team.

You were talking about trading for a PG who "moves the needle", no?

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

[minimus]

Who was talking about blowing anything up? I didn't see one person mentioned blowing up the team.

You were talking about trading for a PG who "moves the needle", no?

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

LaMelo Ball, Sexton, D Murray are exactly those players who you trade for while being in panic mode aka desperate

[Klomp]

Who was talking about blowing anything up? I didn't see one person mentioned blowing up the team.

You were talking about trading for a PG who "moves the needle", no?

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

I think we underestimate what it costs to get players like that. Nembhard would probably require Naz or Jaden, for example. We're not talking about trading bench scraps here. Murray requires Julius or Naz. Say what you want about balancing the roster, but that's a significant move. Sexton would be the cheapest, but still trading an asset or two for an upcoming UFA.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I don't want Sexton. He can be hot on offense but is a terrible defender. Actually for me Tyus was the best option. We don't need a star PG ( unless we trade Randle). ANT and Randle take 80% of the offense , we need more passing and playmaking. Mike is good at that but for 20 min. IF Ron can't do it, we will lose games again and again because of the turnover. Tyus get one of the best ratio Assist-TO, he would have been great for the current roster. I guess FO believe Rob will be good enough unless they plan to go for Dame.

[Norseman79]

You were talking about trading for a PG who "moves the needle", no?

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

I think we underestimate what it costs to get players like that. Nembhard would probably require Naz or Jaden, for example. We're not talking about trading bench scraps here. Murray requires Julius or Naz. Say what you want about balancing the roster, but that's a significant move. Sexton would be the cheapest, but still trading an asset or two for an upcoming UFA.

Ok, so we are on the same page. I said realistically it's DD, Dilly, TSJ and a pick if they think Haliburton will be back soon.

[Norseman79]

You were talking about trading for a PG who "moves the needle", no?

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

LaMelo Ball, Sexton, D Murray are exactly those players who you trade for while being in panic mode aka desperate

I wouldn't touch Ball if they offered him for a 2nd rounder. I would do a Sexton for DDV swap, and D. Murray if healthy I do Randle for all day. That's me.

[KGdaBom]

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

I think we underestimate what it costs to get players like that. Nembhard would probably require Naz or Jaden, for example. We're not talking about trading bench scraps here. Murray requires Julius or Naz. Say what you want about balancing the roster, but that's a significant move. Sexton would be the cheapest, but still trading an asset or two for an upcoming UFA.

Ok, so we are on the same page. I said realistically it's DD, Dilly, TSJ and a pick if they think Haliburton will be back soon.

And that would be a horrendous trade to get freaking Nembhard. Any trade being proposed for Nembhard would be a horrendous trade. I wouldn't trade DDV or TSJ straight up for Nembhard. He doesn't move any needles IMO.

[KGdaBom]

Moving the needle compared to what we have, not blowing things up to go land a tre young or anything stupid like that.

Nembhard, Sexton, D Murray, etc...

LaMelo Ball, Sexton, D Murray are exactly those players who you trade for while being in panic mode aka desperate

I wouldn't touch Ball if they offered him for a 2nd rounder. I would do a Sexton for DDV swap, and D. Murray if healthy I do Randle for all day. That's me.

If we're talking Prime Dejounte Murray I might trade Randle for him, but it's very likely that Prime Dejounte Murray is now a unicorn. A fictional creature. I would give up a 2nd for LaMelo Ball if it didn't create salary problems but it would so like you I probably wouldn't do it either.

[Norseman79]

I think we underestimate what it costs to get players like that. Nembhard would probably require Naz or Jaden, for example. We're not talking about trading bench scraps here. Murray requires Julius or Naz. Say what you want about balancing the roster, but that's a significant move. Sexton would be the cheapest, but still trading an asset or two for an upcoming UFA.

Ok, so we are on the same page. I said realistically it's DD, Dilly, TSJ and a pick if they think Haliburton will be back soon.

And that would be a horrendous trade to get freaking Nembhard. Any trade being proposed for Nembhard would be a horrendous trade. I wouldn't trade DDV or TSJ straight up for Nembhard. He doesn't move any needles IMO.

Just depends on how you view him. I certainly agree with you if you don't see Nembhard as an improvement. Just out of curiosity, who would you want that is realistically attainable?