Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[jayjaysee]

However, there is a narrative on this board about Barrett, and it probably won't change until and unless he gets traded.

The narrative and his play style followed him when he was traded to Toronto..

Last season looked a lot more like RJ Barrett than how he finished the season of the trade.

[psman2]

However, there is a narrative on this board about Barrett, and it probably won't change until and unless he gets traded.

The narrative and his play style followed him when he was traded to Toronto..

Last season looked a lot more like RJ Barrett than how he finished the season of the trade.

Yep...this isn't some anti-Canadian bias going on here and I don't think most here really care about how you want to tier team Canada's players since it has no bearing on their performance in the NBA.

[Dr Positivity]

What is going on with the rest of free agency?
Giddey, Horford, Grimes, CP3, Simmons, Kuminga

Is the Beal buyout holding up some stuff?

Jonas may have slowed some things down as well.

[TheNetsFan]

a random bad idea. That might be bad for Dallas? Still like Mann too much probably even after watching him get dumped..

Mann to Dallas
Martin, Hardy, Powell to Brooklyn

Dallas gets (imo) a better two way player? Opens the roster spots/some tax space for Nembhard and Exum

Brooklyn saves money in two years, splits a bigger negative contract. Martin should be able to easily play his way back to neutral or slightly positive value, if his end of season play/injury dropped his value..

Probably best with a third team?

Brooklyn has a bit of a roster crunch already. I'm not sure a 3 for 1 would be something they are interested in. If Mann is flipped, it's likely for a single more expensive player.

[Scoot McGroot]

What is going on with the rest of free agency?
Giddey, Horford, Grimes, CP3, Simmons, Kuminga

Is the Beal buyout holding up some stuff?

I think a looming LeBron deal, Beals buy out and Giannis potentially saying screw it deal me, are holding everything up

Giddey, Grimes, and Kuminga are restricted free agents that their teams have at least primary interest in keeping, and there's no cap space teams out there to put any bids in right now, so those are clearly just going to grind out to some conclusion later.

Simmons reportedly doesn't have a ton of teams interested? He's waiting to see if NY will sign him with their last roster spot? But, veterans minimum talk, and much like CP3 and Horford, are probably just waiting a bit longer to see how the last few things on the market shake out and who might need them? Like, if someone misses on Horford, maybe they have interest in Simmons?

[zimpy27]

What is going on with the rest of free agency?
Giddey, Horford, Grimes, CP3, Simmons, Kuminga

Is the Beal buyout holding up some stuff?

I think a looming LeBron deal, Beals buy out and Giannis potentially saying screw it deal me, are holding everything up

Giddey, Grimes, and Kuminga are restricted free agents that their teams have at least primary interest in keeping, and there's no cap space teams out there to put any bids in right now, so those are clearly just going to grind out to some conclusion later.

Simmons reportedly doesn't have a ton of teams interested? He's waiting to see if NY will sign him with their last roster spot? But, veterans minimum talk, and much like CP3 and Horford, are probably just waiting a bit longer to see how the last few things on the market shake out and who might need them? Like, if someone misses on Horford, maybe they have interest in Simmons?

Simmons and Horford had great chemistry in Philly.

I think a team should try take both of them. Maybe GSW considered it.

[djFan71]

Yeah, there needs to be some value added there for sure. Just didn’t know what. As usual, it’s not worth tying up the distant first. But it probably costs something I agree.

Though here, Grant Williams is not a positive either though.. And Simons/Niang seems to be a negative value package as well.. So value is probably really minor?

i dont think charlotte is interested in a disgruntled kuzma coming off the bench, but i could be wrong?

i will repeat that Williams is a positive for Charlotte, he was a great vocal leader preinjury. We like him.

What if it was Green instead?

Kuzma to CLT
Josh Green and a vet min (NSJ?) to Boston
Simons and Niang (into roomLE) Milwaukee

BOS probably doesn't want Grant back anyway.

[Scoot McGroot]

What is going on with the rest of free agency?
Giddey, Horford, Grimes, CP3, Simmons, Kuminga

Is the Beal buyout holding up some stuff?

I think a looming LeBron deal, Beals buy out and Giannis potentially saying screw it deal me, are holding everything up

Giddey, Grimes, and Kuminga are restricted free agents that their teams have at least primary interest in keeping, and there's no cap space teams out there to put any bids in right now, so those are clearly just going to grind out to some conclusion later.

Simmons reportedly doesn't have a ton of teams interested? He's waiting to see if NY will sign him with their last roster spot? But, veterans minimum talk, and much like CP3 and Horford, are probably just waiting a bit longer to see how the last few things on the market shake out and who might need them? Like, if someone misses on Horford, maybe they have interest in Simmons?

Simmons and Horford had great chemistry in Philly.

I think a team should try take both of them. Maybe GSW considered it.

My read is that very few teams have interest in taking Simmons at all.

[Scoot McGroot]

i dont think charlotte is interested in a disgruntled kuzma coming off the bench, but i could be wrong?

i will repeat that Williams is a positive for Charlotte, he was a great vocal leader preinjury. We like him.

What if it was Green instead?

Kuzma to CLT
Josh Green and a vet min (NSJ?) to Boston
Simons and Niang (into roomLE) Milwaukee

BOS probably doesn't want Grant back anyway.

Milwaukee has less than $4m of their Room Exception left. Their next largest exception is from Khris Middleton, and it's only $7.2m. They can't fit Niang into either.

[jayjaysee]

i dont think charlotte is interested in a disgruntled kuzma coming off the bench, but i could be wrong?

i will repeat that Williams is a positive for Charlotte, he was a great vocal leader preinjury. We like him.

What if it was Green instead?

Kuzma to CLT
Josh Green and a vet min (NSJ?) to Boston
Simons and Niang (into roomLE) Milwaukee

BOS probably doesn't want Grant back anyway.

Spotrac updated the KPJ signing. My Niang idea doesn’t work…


Mann to Dallas
Martin, Powell to Boston
Simons, Hardy to Brooklyn

Brooklyn uses their cap space to clear most of Mann’s contracts.

Dallas gets a hopefully better offensive piece.

Boston gets a Niang/Hauser/Martin dump from the tax.

[Hugi Mancura]

Jazz planning to keep Lauri at least to start the season despite their focus on tanking this year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45742034/2025-nba-summer-league-buzz-intel-storylines-reaction-las-vegas

Obvious after how badly Lauri played last year.

I expect him to be traded late December but we'll see.

Ainge's next mistake. Mitchell and especially Gobert trades were great, but after that all his trades have been awful. he hopes Lauri will have similar season as he did in first year in Utah, but there's no way Lauri would get same amount of shots. This is the first year in Utah when he doesn't have most shot attemps in a team. Ace Bailey will have most shots. Less shots less points less trade value.

And they are lying to themselves if they believe this team is playoff bound in next 4 years. I don't believe Lauri will play a single playoff or play-in game with Utah.I would trade Lauri to Beal if I would get one first round pick from Phoenix. And Lauri is too nice or stupid to demand trade. Well, he got his money.

[djFan71]

i will repeat that Williams is a positive for Charlotte, he was a great vocal leader preinjury. We like him.

What if it was Green instead?

Kuzma to CLT
Josh Green and a vet min (NSJ?) to Boston
Simons and Niang (into roomLE) Milwaukee

BOS probably doesn't want Grant back anyway.

Spotrac updated the KPJ signing. My Niang idea doesn’t work…


Mann to Dallas
Martin, Powell to Boston
Simons, Hardy to Brooklyn

Brooklyn uses their cap space to clear most of Mann’s contracts.

Dallas gets a hopefully better offensive piece.

Boston gets a Niang/Hauser/Martin dump from the tax.

Dang, it worked in spotrac's trade machine before I posted. But, yeah, if that's not the case it gets less attractive from BOS side. Ending up with Kuz/Mann/Green/whatever while ducking the tax in one move is attractive. Getting that level player and still being a (viable) step or 2 away is less so.

My preference is adding a pick and ending up with PJ or Gafford (written as just Gafford from hereon). Assume you'd keep Powell in that scenario as emergency:

Gafford, Martin to BOS
Simons, Hardy to BKN
Mann, one of BOS 2026 2nds to DAL

Dallas saves $14M, gets a pick.
BKN clears most of Mann in one year. Maybe Hardy improves, if not 27-28 is a team option.
BOS gets an actual NBA center and good rotation Queta, Garza behind him. And Martin is good as well. Save $4M in taxes plus multiplier. More movable pieces if they wanna go for the tax.

[jayjaysee]

What if it was Green instead?

Kuzma to CLT
Josh Green and a vet min (NSJ?) to Boston
Simons and Niang (into roomLE) Milwaukee

BOS probably doesn't want Grant back anyway.

Spotrac updated the KPJ signing. My Niang idea doesn’t work…


Mann to Dallas
Martin, Powell to Boston
Simons, Hardy to Brooklyn

Brooklyn uses their cap space to clear most of Mann’s contracts.

Dallas gets a hopefully better offensive piece.

Boston gets a Niang/Hauser/Martin dump from the tax.

Dang, it worked in spotrac's trade machine before I posted. But, yeah, if that's not the case it gets less attractive from BOS side. Ending up with Kuz/Mann/Green/whatever while ducking the tax in one move is attractive. Getting that level player and still being a (viable) step or 2 away is less so.

My preference is adding a pick and ending up with PJ or Gafford (written as just Gafford from hereon). Assume you'd keep Powell in that scenario as emergency:

Gafford, Martin to BOS
Simons, Hardy to BKN
Mann, one of BOS 2026 2nds to DAL

Dallas saves $14M, gets a pick.
BKN clears most of Mann in one year. Maybe Hardy improves, if not 27-28 is a team option.
BOS gets an actual NBA center and good rotation Queta, Garza behind him. And Martin is good as well. Save $4M in taxes plus multiplier. More movable pieces if they wanna go for the tax.

Would guess Dallas wants a first here. Gafford part isn’t actually needed, just losing value/talent for Dallas.

The interest in Mann is just mine, not the team’s. And it’s minor.

[djFan71]

Spotrac updated the KPJ signing. My Niang idea doesn’t work…


Mann to Dallas
Martin, Powell to Boston
Simons, Hardy to Brooklyn

Brooklyn uses their cap space to clear most of Mann’s contracts.

Dallas gets a hopefully better offensive piece.

Boston gets a Niang/Hauser/Martin dump from the tax.

Dang, it worked in spotrac's trade machine before I posted. But, yeah, if that's not the case it gets less attractive from BOS side. Ending up with Kuz/Mann/Green/whatever while ducking the tax in one move is attractive. Getting that level player and still being a (viable) step or 2 away is less so.

My preference is adding a pick and ending up with PJ or Gafford (written as just Gafford from hereon). Assume you'd keep Powell in that scenario as emergency:

Gafford, Martin to BOS
Simons, Hardy to BKN
Mann, one of BOS 2026 2nds to DAL

Dallas saves $14M, gets a pick.
BKN clears most of Mann in one year. Maybe Hardy improves, if not 27-28 is a team option.
BOS gets an actual NBA center and good rotation Queta, Garza behind him. And Martin is good as well. Save $4M in taxes plus multiplier. More movable pieces if they wanna go for the tax.

Would guess Dallas wants a first here. Gafford part isn’t actually needed, just losing value/talent for Dallas.

The interest in Mann is just mine, not the team’s. And it’s minor.

Yeah, I'm with you on Mann. 1st felt like a lot while also saving $14M. Was thinking of sending the 2027 - lotto protected, turns to 2 future 2nds right away? But then maybe you just keep Caleb at that point?

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I'm with you on Mann. 1st felt like a lot while also saving $14M. Was thinking of sending the 2027 - lotto protected, turns to 2 future 2nds right away? But then maybe you just keep Caleb at that point?

Saving 14m will sound better in February when Dallas is out of the play-in and maybe look at small blow up, ducking repeater tax, etc.. Right now, it’s just downgrading despite the roster being full and under second apron.

The Caleb/Hardy/Powell part isn’t a problem. But just throwing Gaff in wouldn’t really make sense right now.

[djFan71]

Yeah, I'm with you on Mann. 1st felt like a lot while also saving $14M. Was thinking of sending the 2027 - lotto protected, turns to 2 future 2nds right away? But then maybe you just keep Caleb at that point?

Saving 14m will sound better in February when Dallas is out of the play-in and maybe look at small blow up, ducking repeater tax, etc.. Right now, it’s just downgrading despite the roster being full and under second apron.

The Caleb/Hardy/Powell part isn’t a problem. But just throwing Gaff in wouldn’t really make sense right now.

Fair. Worth a shot from my end.
I'm good with your original too where BOS gets Caleb and Powell and saves $16M+. My real preference is to use Simons money and some picks to get an upgrade going forward for someone in the $20M or less range or so. Alas, DAL doesn't really need to care about my preference.

[Jojothewhale]

Simmons and Horford had great chemistry in Philly.

I think a team should try take both of them. Maybe GSW considered it.

They really didn't at all. Horford worked with no one that year. He flat out sucked on both ends. Obviously he turned it around after that, but if a team was trying to take a thought from how that pairing went, it would be to run screaming.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I'm with you on Mann. 1st felt like a lot while also saving $14M. Was thinking of sending the 2027 - lotto protected, turns to 2 future 2nds right away? But then maybe you just keep Caleb at that point?

Saving 14m will sound better in February when Dallas is out of the play-in and maybe look at small blow up, ducking repeater tax, etc.. Right now, it’s just downgrading despite the roster being full and under second apron.

The Caleb/Hardy/Powell part isn’t a problem. But just throwing Gaff in wouldn’t really make sense right now.

Fair. Worth a shot from my end.
I'm good with your original too where BOS gets Caleb and Powell and saves $16M+. My real preference is to use Simons money and some picks to get an upgrade going forward for someone in the $20M or less range or so. Alas, DAL doesn't really need to care about my preference.

I would love if the team shifted to asset accumulation and got a well protected (but lasting a couple years) first for Gafford, I just don’t see it being realistic.

[daoneandonly]

Dallas isn't trading Gaff while taking on Mann for just a 2nd

[djFan71]

Dallas isn't trading Gaff while taking on Mann for just a 2nd

2027 BOS lotto 1st & Mann is fine, but not while also eating Martin salary. But, doesn't feel like that's even enough, so probably DOA.