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I was torn between him and Tre during the draft
I understand that Tre is a walking bucket, but Kon today showed me yet again that he’s a very good at things that might not appear on the box score
He’s going to make LaMelo and Brandon’s life all the more easier
Kanyewest wrote:It looks like the Hornets fans are still optimistic about Kon after he posted 16 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists.
Top comment from on a Reddit thread with his highlightsI was torn between him and Tre during the draft
I understand that Tre is a walking bucket, but Kon today showed me yet again that he’s a very good at things that might not appear on the box score
He’s going to make LaMelo and Brandon’s life all the more easier
I guess we'll see how it plays out in the regular season.
prime1time wrote:I like Tre but it's way too early to say other teams made the wrong decision. Kon is a really good player. He played at Duke and he's very good at fitting around ball dominant players. If Charlotte was going to move on from Melo I think they would have drafted Tre, but seeing how they are still building around Melo I don't think Tre was a good fit. Melo shot 21.2 times a game last year. Brandon Miller shot 18.2 times a game last year. How does Tre's style fit into that?
Kon took over games when Flagg was injured and Duke didn't miss a beat. He moves slow but he's still able to get to his spots. Let's just enjoy Tre and let this play out. We are literally only 2 summer league games in lol.
AFM wrote:Tre Johnson >>>> Cooper Flagg numbers dont lie playa
prime1time wrote:I like Tre but it's way too early to say other teams made the wrong decision. Kon is a really good player. He played at Duke and he's very good at fitting around ball dominant players. If Charlotte was going to move on from Melo I think they would have drafted Tre, but seeing how they are still building around Melo I don't think Tre was a good fit. Melo shot 21.2 times a game last year. Brandon Miller shot 18.2 times a game last year. How does Tre's style fit into that?
Kon took over games when Flagg was injured and Duke didn't miss a beat. He moves slow but he's still able to get to his spots. Let's just enjoy Tre and let this play out. We are literally only 2 summer league games in lol.
This post prompted me to look back at two games the Hornets played against the Zards in DC last season. I was at both games.Dat2U wrote:prime1time wrote:I like Tre but it's way too early to say other teams made the wrong decision. Kon is a really good player. He played at Duke and he's very good at fitting around ball dominant players. If Charlotte was going to move on from Melo I think they would have drafted Tre, but seeing how they are still building around Melo I don't think Tre was a good fit. Melo shot 21.2 times a game last year. Brandon Miller shot 18.2 times a game last year. How does Tre's style fit into that?
Kon took over games when Flagg was injured and Duke didn't miss a beat. He moves slow but he's still able to get to his spots. Let's just enjoy Tre and let this play out. We are literally only 2 summer league games in lol.
Melo shot so much because once Miller went down, who else was going to take those shots? Josh Green? Moussa Diabate? You'd prefer more Miles Bridges' ISOs?
AFM wrote:Second best player in the draft. Yeah I said it. Putting my crystal ball down now...
DCZards wrote:Don’t know where Tre will ultimately me ranked in this draft class. Cooper and Harper are thought to be on a higher tier; VJ has the body and athleticism to be a star once he gains more experience and polish; Kon has had some good SL games, especially last night.
But the Zards got a good one who could be in the mix for top 3 in this draft. As the above video shows, Tre is simply special when it comes to his talent and potential offensively.
AFM wrote:closg00 wrote:I wonder if we really would have drafted Fears if Tre was gone, the basketball gods really did us a solid after lottery debacle.
Can you imagine if we drafted Kon
The Consiglieri wrote:AFM wrote:closg00 wrote:I wonder if we really would have drafted Fears if Tre was gone, the basketball gods really did us a solid after lottery debacle.
Can you imagine if we drafted Kon
No, it would be really interesting to find out who was on our board 5-10 or thereabouts (partly because I would have loved to play the part of Atlanta swindling New Orleans), but I don't think there was any universe we were stupid enough to have Kon in our top 6, but, maybe? I think Kon's gonna be fine, btw, he's not gonna be his iffy games in SL, I think the problem is, Kon is a value in that 10-15 zone, he is not remotely a value as a floor pick in the top 5 or 6 or 7 etc. That was and is beyond idiotic.
Were we ever interested in Fears? The skepticism seems justified.
It's pretty damn exciting to have got this pick right. I have been, and remain a skeptic in certain ways (defense and interior game), but I've seen an endless pile of reporting on scouts being very high on the kid down the stretch and there being a patently obvious way in which the kid is going to have a place in this league that at bare minimum will make him an adequate starter. The stories of first in last out obsessive work habits are exciting (the issues on D seem to have been explained at least in part on carrying the entire offensive load at Texas and playing insanely heavy minutes as a freshman: VJ, Ace, and Harper were close, at around 32 mpg, but Kon, Fears and Flagg all played close to 5 minutes less per game at 30), and in general, I get the sense he's definitely going to max out what he has and maybe build more, w/that knowledge in tow, there are only Fears, and Maluach really as guys I might have preferred at slot, and a trade up for Ace, which in retrospect looks scary. Fears and Maluach, however, are speculative and definitely carry riskier floors.
I'm much happier with Tre than I felt while looking at this draft with everyone the previous six months, I'm not entirely sold we definitely got the best case scenario, but the fact that Tre's stock has climbed a ton, and Bailey's has fallen, and Tre appears to have climbed ahead of VJ AND Bailey on some boards in June? Pretty damn exciting, and he totally looked the part this month too. I don't care much about SL, but the fact that SL just looked a lot like what people were already saying about him before is super promising.
Very excited.
Dat2U wrote:AFM wrote:closg00 wrote:I wonder if we really would have drafted Fears if Tre was gone, the basketball gods really did us a solid after lottery debacle.
Can you imagine if we drafted Kon
I was like no way in hell, they sitting up here with a birds eye view of Corey Kispert and all his shortcomings, and yet still fantasizing over Kon Knueppel. I know, I know... not all white guys are alike but I'm confident in saying these two are! The same height & weight, similar skillset and characteristics. Slightly different body type & Kispert is older but basically a lot of direct parallels. I know spreadsheet FC was going crazy about "the perfect intersection of shooting and processing" but I've seen enough to know that being undersized, unathletic and having an inability to create your own shot is basically 3 strikes and your out as far as high level NBA prospect.
Low usage role players that cannot defend are fast becoming a dying breed. - I notice folks are quick to attack the high usage poor defenders recently but its really the low usage poor defenders that fail to hold much value - especially in the post season.
It was wild to see folks lock Kon in as a top 5 pick and on the same board, have Tre in many cases 5-10 spots lower. Tre grilled for his shot selection & defense while Kon was praised for his connectivity and shooting. I have my own reasons on why this was the case but this is not probably the best forum for that debate.
Dat2U wrote:NatP4 wrote:Dat2U wrote:It was wild to see folks lock Kon in as a top 5 pick and on the same board, have Tre in many cases 5-10 spots lower. Tre grilled for his shot selection & defense while Kon was praised for his connectivity and shooting. I have my own reasons on why this was the case but this is not probably the best forum for that debate.
I mean, Kon went top 5 above Tre.
You were also confident in Sharife Cooper, wanted to trade future 1sts+ a top 10 pick for Jaden Ivey, called him the next Ja Morant, called Scoot Henderson the next John Wall, wanted to pick Cam Whitmore 8th overall, who was just given away for a couple of 2nd round picks.
But yet, you seem to be insinuating people are racist or something for disagreeing with you?
It goes a little deeper than race... a lot of its preconceived biases that are built in even if were not self-aware of it. The pure shooter & aggressive scorer is viewed as a shot jacker with Cam Thomas tendencies even though he can really pass and has ideal length to defend. The spot up shooter is labeled as the best shooting prospect ever, a connective genius with creation upside but can't shoot off the dribble or create in space but those skills are still seen in a very positive light. Not saying this is purposeful ... but I am getting to the point where I feel like I can point out the inherent biases in scouting some guys have - Especially when you look a player from many different vantage points.
You also love doing this gotcha bs like a jealous female but you fail to realize its a two way street. No one is perfect at this. We ALL have are clear misses - You were the founding member of the 'Johnny Davis, Wizards PG of the future' fan club so please be quiet and know your proper role in the order of things.
AFM wrote:The Consiglieri wrote:AFM wrote:
Can you imagine if we drafted Kon
No, it would be really interesting to find out who was on our board 5-10 or thereabouts (partly because I would have loved to play the part of Atlanta swindling New Orleans), but I don't think there was any universe we were stupid enough to have Kon in our top 6, but, maybe? I think Kon's gonna be fine, btw, he's not gonna be his iffy games in SL, I think the problem is, Kon is a value in that 10-15 zone, he is not remotely a value as a floor pick in the top 5 or 6 or 7 etc. That was and is beyond idiotic.
Were we ever interested in Fears? The skepticism seems justified.
It's pretty damn exciting to have got this pick right. I have been, and remain a skeptic in certain ways (defense and interior game), but I've seen an endless pile of reporting on scouts being very high on the kid down the stretch and there being a patently obvious way in which the kid is going to have a place in this league that at bare minimum will make him an adequate starter. The stories of first in last out obsessive work habits are exciting (the issues on D seem to have been explained at least in part on carrying the entire offensive load at Texas and playing insanely heavy minutes as a freshman: VJ, Ace, and Harper were close, at around 32 mpg, but Kon, Fears and Flagg all played close to 5 minutes less per game at 30), and in general, I get the sense he's definitely going to max out what he has and maybe build more, w/that knowledge in tow, there are only Fears, and Maluach really as guys I might have preferred at slot, and a trade up for Ace, which in retrospect looks scary. Fears and Maluach, however, are speculative and definitely carry riskier floors.
I'm much happier with Tre than I felt while looking at this draft with everyone the previous six months, I'm not entirely sold we definitely got the best case scenario, but the fact that Tre's stock has climbed a ton, and Bailey's has fallen, and Tre appears to have climbed ahead of VJ AND Bailey on some boards in June? Pretty damn exciting, and he totally looked the part this month too. I don't care much about SL, but the fact that SL just looked a lot like what people were already saying about him before is super promising.
Very excited.
Glad to see you come around a little
