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[-Jragon-]

I don't think individual D-rating is the way to look at it. I look at how to maximize GA as the primary ball handler, so GA 2-man lineups.

GA/KPJ (268 minutes): +21.3
GA/Green (779 minutes): +14.7
GA/Portis (482 minutes): +11.8
GA/GTJ (879 minutes): +10.7

Both Kuzma and Prince were sub +4.0 with GA in a ton of minutes.

It's all about spacing around GA. Green/GTJ both provide that, and both are switchable enough on defense with the other three defenders that will be starting. I like Rollins, but more as a guy to come in and spell KPJ, provide another PoA defender and ball handler while he sits. Start the shooters with GA, he's going to be the one with the ball in his hands more often than not.

Well, that's a case for Green over Trent. And Rollins is not far behind @ +8.7. He started a much higher % of his minutes to be in those s**tty lineups against tougher comp.

In similar lineups, Trent fared worse. He was +1 w/ Brook/Giannis/Prince/Dame. Rollins was +41, in this same lineup, in 15% of the possessions. His top minute lineup was w/ Brook, & he was +13. He was +9 w Brook, Trent was +2. Turner is an early Brook analog.

The rebounding's going to be a problem w/ Turner & Trent. And the shooting's still good w/ Rollins alongside Giannis. Ryan's a spacer. Also, KPJ isn't really a POA defender. That KPJ/Trent/Green group switched & did it more by committee, against heavily 2nd units to start out.

So Rollins, especially a healthier version, is probably a better option in the starting lineup, than Trent. I'd rank them: 1. KPJ, 2. Green, 3. Rollins, 4. Trent. If Kuzma's last yr's version, he's behind them all. If he turns it around, & accepts a role, could vault as high as 2. He's the wild card now.

Small sample size error for Kuz and Giannis. Giannis was sitting out a lot after the trade deadline amd Kuz still was figuring out how to play off him. Need more data

[SirChurros]

I do wonder with all the emphasis about playing faster if we will target Barrett. He got out in transition a lot in Toronto, and he had the highest pace on that team.

I think he’d be the wrong guy to target, but he does fit some of the buzzwords the Bucks keep throwing out there.

Didn't realize Barrett was so good in transition agree that's notable.

Is his defense where you think he'd be the wrong guy, or not really a SF / not a great shooter, or what's up?

In theory the Bucks helping Toronto duck the tax would be a major part of the value exchange is where I could most easily see Barrett being a distressed asset we'd target. Giving up a first would be a different story.

I just dont think Barrett is bad enough to warrant giving him away for tax savings. Especially if they are taking bad contract back. I could be wrong but i feel like we have to send them something along the lines of 32 swap.

If you think theres another level to Barrett, it may be worth it. But i keep going back to: do you want to shoot part of your wad on an unknown and ruin your chance at a no doubt player? At a certain point, if you have too many gambles on the roster it becomes extremely unlikely that they all hit. Free gambles like Cole are fine. Spending draft assets has to work out now

Who is the no doubt player that’s coming along though?

[BigO]

Just watched my first Cole Anthony highlights from last year. A 25 year old Jarryd Bayless feels about right. No idea how people are down on that for a vet min. Will be a fun player with the spacing Giannis provides. Shrewd move

Side note, not many 6’2 dudes that have ever stuffed Giannis. That not nothing

You watched season highlights and you liked them. What could go wrong?

About as valuable as citing stats from other teams, running other systems and players playing in other roles?

Really?

A highlight reel is the same as stats over a career or over individual seasons?

[M-C-G]

You watched season highlights and you liked them. What could go wrong?

About as valuable as citing stats from other teams, running other systems and players playing in other roles?

Really?

A highlight reel is the same as stats over a career or over individual seasons?

Incorrect. A highlight role shows me what a player is peak capable of, career stats from a different organization, under a different role iswhat he was THERE, but is not the same as what he could be here. Unless you are suggesting there isn’t a Giannis boost to players, which would be an interesting theory.

[BigO]

About as valuable as citing stats from other teams, running other systems and players playing in other roles?

Really?

A highlight reel is the same as stats over a career or over individual seasons?

Incorrect. A highlight role shows me what a player is peak capable of, career stats from a different organization, under a different role iswhat he was THERE, but is not the same as what he could be here. Unless you are suggesting there isn’t a Giannis boost to players, which would be an interesting theory.

You're digging the hole even deeper. I'm sure I can find a highlight reel for Kuzma, Prince, Semi Oljeleye and whoever you want to name.

[soxperry]

Didn't realize Barrett was so good in transition agree that's notable.

Is his defense where you think he'd be the wrong guy, or not really a SF / not a great shooter, or what's up?

In theory the Bucks helping Toronto duck the tax would be a major part of the value exchange is where I could most easily see Barrett being a distressed asset we'd target. Giving up a first would be a different story.

I just dont think Barrett is bad enough to warrant giving him away for tax savings. Especially if they are taking bad contract back. I could be wrong but i feel like we have to send them something along the lines of 32 swap.

If you think theres another level to Barrett, it may be worth it. But i keep going back to: do you want to shoot part of your wad on an unknown and ruin your chance at a no doubt player? At a certain point, if you have too many gambles on the roster it becomes extremely unlikely that they all hit. Free gambles like Cole are fine. Spending draft assets has to work out now

Who is the no doubt player that’s coming along though?

If you think i meant Giannis level, i did not. I mean a proven player with few warts. Someone who could start on a multitude of contending teams. Last year, Butler became available. This off-season, KD and Bane were moved. Previously, the Knicks traded for a few of them. and the Pacers were able to grab Siakam.

No idea who will be next on the block but i want us to be ready when it comes.

[M-C-G]

Really?

A highlight reel is the same as stats over a career or over individual seasons?

Incorrect. A highlight role shows me what a player is peak capable of, career stats from a different organization, under a different role iswhat he was THERE, but is not the same as what he could be here. Unless you are suggesting there isn’t a Giannis boost to players, which would be an interesting theory.

You're digging the hole even deeper. I'm sure I can find a highlight reel for Kuzma, Prince, Semi Oljeleye and whoever you want to name.

Cool ! Please do

[tedbrogen]

TIL - Giannis doesn’t have the second gear required to be a good rebounder and highlight videos are as good of an evaluator as stats.

[engelmartin]

TIL - Giannis doesn’t have the second gear required to be a good rebounder and highlight videos are as good of an evaluator as stats.

Well, someone did have the free time to put together 15+ minutes of Gary Harris highlights from last season. After watching ten minutes of him playing good defense it really does seem like he’s a good defensive player, although the advanced stats probably agree.

[midranger]

I just dont think Barrett is bad enough to warrant giving him away for tax savings. Especially if they are taking bad contract back. I could be wrong but i feel like we have to send them something along the lines of 32 swap.

If you think theres another level to Barrett, it may be worth it. But i keep going back to: do you want to shoot part of your wad on an unknown and ruin your chance at a no doubt player? At a certain point, if you have too many gambles on the roster it becomes extremely unlikely that they all hit. Free gambles like Cole are fine. Spending draft assets has to work out now

Who is the no doubt player that’s coming along though?

If you think i meant Giannis level, i did not. I mean a proven player with few warts. Someone who could start on a multitude of contending teams. Last year, Butler became available. This off-season, KD and Bane were moved. Previously, the Knicks traded for a few of them. and the Pacers were able to grab Siakam.

No idea who will be next on the block but i want us to be ready when it comes.

I think this is probably the way at this point.

Some team will disappoint and want to sell. Some player will have a conflict with the coach/org and need to be moved. Some big deal will go down where a third team will be needed to facilitate a player who doesn’t fit with one of the teams.

Unless we get a great deal now, might as well keep the powder dry.

Additionally, we currently all think we need a wing. But maybe KPJ disappoints as a lead guard but plays great as an off ball wing and what we really need is a PG. Who knows? Lots of what ifs on the roster currently. Would be nice to get a better view of need once the real bullets start flying.

Finally, if (God forbid) we sustain a big injury, I don’t want to have taken on 4 years of big Kuminga money at this point.

[M-C-G]

TIL - Giannis doesn’t have the second gear required to be a good rebounder and highlight videos are as good of an evaluator as stats.

To be fair I did say ‘not good’ was poor wording. Anyways, oh well

[blazza18]

He doesn't box out ever but the times where Giannis actually tries on rebounds is noticeably different. Will probably need to do so more often with Turner next to him instead of Brook.

[BigO]

Incorrect. A highlight role shows me what a player is peak capable of, career stats from a different organization, under a different role iswhat he was THERE, but is not the same as what he could be here. Unless you are suggesting there isn’t a Giannis boost to players, which would be an interesting theory.

You're digging the hole even deeper. I'm sure I can find a highlight reel for Kuzma, Prince, Semi Oljeleye and whoever you want to name.

Cool ! Please do

With pleasure.

This highlight reel of Semi shows his upside as a defender, shooter and passer. Ignore his stats.

Watch on YouTube

[drew881]

For the sanity of this board Horst needs to make the final trade of Kuzma.

[paulpressey25]

This highlight reel of Semi shows his upside as a defender, shooter and passer. Ignore his stats.

Do you think we can bring him back from overseas? Closest thing I’ve seen to a combination of prime PJ Tucker and Shane Battier.

[-Jragon-]

About as valuable as citing stats from other teams, running other systems and players playing in other roles?

Really?

A highlight reel is the same as stats over a career or over individual seasons?

Incorrect. A highlight role shows me what a player is peak capable of, career stats from a different organization, under a different role iswhat he was THERE, but is not the same as what he could be here. Unless you are suggesting there isn’t a Giannis boost to players, which would be an interesting theory.

So Desmond Mason is basically Jordan than... had some amazing highlights

[raferfenix]

What do we think of the Spurs’ guys?

NBA insider Jake Fischer recently noted that Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson are on the trade block for the San Antonio Spurs, with Devin Vassell being available as well.

"Just like they went out and flipped some guys for Kelly Olynyk, they are very willing to move off of Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, and I believe they're also open to moving Devin Vassell as well," said Fischer.

https://ripcityproject.com/spurs-gifted-blazers-ideal-sharpshooter-propel-playoffs-devin-vassell

[El Pooch Grande]

For the sanity of this board Horst needs to make the final trade of Kuzma.

Amen to this. We are all waiting and speculating on what it will bring back to complete this team. As it stands now, it doesn’t feel like we’re back to true contender status yet until we (hopefully) nail this final move.

[emunney]

TIL - Giannis doesn’t have the second gear required to be a good rebounder and highlight videos are as good of an evaluator as stats.

You can learn things with both. You get stuff from highlights that you might not really grasp if you only saw them play a few times. Stats are also complementary. I think just consume responsibly is the message.

[emunney]

What do we think of the Spurs’ guys?

NBA insider Jake Fischer recently noted that Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson are on the trade block for the San Antonio Spurs, with Devin Vassell being available as well.

"Just like they went out and flipped some guys for Kelly Olynyk, they are very willing to move off of Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson, and I believe they're also open to moving Devin Vassell as well," said Fischer.

https://ripcityproject.com/spurs-gifted-blazers-ideal-sharpshooter-propel-playoffs-devin-vassell

I think I still want Vassell? And I think Barnes would be a good fit.