Giannis Thread - "The Finals are different, I hope to be back soon with the Bucks"

[trwi7]

I wish I had the energy and the give a **** to try to explain and understand every single word Giannis ever says publicly. Kudos to you losers coming from a guy with over 110,000 posts.

[RRyder823]

Guys be better then the morons on the General Board.

We've all see this quote from Giannis multiple times over the past decade

Dont be dumb and try and act like you haven't

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[HKPackFan]

I'm kind of happy he said we'll see.

I don't mind teams wasting their time and energy chasing ghosts that don't exist.

Lol.

I also like bucks management thinking they can't get too comfortable.

In the packers world i won't forget having the best players in the league locked in long term 2 separate times and not being aggressive enough in upgrading the roster around them after their title runs.

[rilamann]

Imagine trolling people this hard on a worldwide level and a lot of people still not realizing that you're trolling.

Giannis is having a blast with this. I would be too. It's hilarious to watch.

Giannis knows that something as simple as the use of the word Probably will send clowns like Windhorst and Shams into a frenzy where they continue to make total fools of themselves.

Giannis was never leaving Milwaukee.

[CharityStripe34]

I'm more amused/bemused at the kid in the video being too shy to try a real gyros pita and go for a salad first. Typical tourist move.

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[Dick Tate]

Appearing on NBA TV’s broadcast of the team’s Summer League game against the Clippers on Sunday, Bucks president Peter Feigin was asked for his two cents on where the organization stands with Giannis Antetokounmpo and what the relationship looks like moving forward.

“We kind of laugh internally, it’s where we’ve been for 10 years,” Feigin said (Twitter video link; hat tip to Bleacher Report). “Giannis loves Milwaukee, Milwaukee loves Giannis. We’re in a good place. We feel great about it. It’s business as usual.

“I think we get kind of a fun little joy in everybody else thinking they know what’s going on and what the clickbait is, but for us, we’re in a good spot. Giannis is in a good place. He’s enjoying the summer, and we’re looking forward to next season.”

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25223594-brs-top-100-nba-players-all-time-ranked (Giannis - 24)
https://hoopshype.com/lists/79-greatest-nba-players-ever-hoopshype-list/ (Giannis - 22; 2024 - 22, 2023 - 22, 2022 - 22, 2021 - 24)

As a homer, seems kind of low. Based on hardware, I think Giannis needs to be above Wade, Elgin, Dr. J (NBA only), and will pass Dirk, KG, West with longevity (He will be Top 40 scoring, Top 50 Rebounding after next year).

I think he is Top 20 right now, realistically ending 18-20 (assuming Jokic or Wemby passes him); but could pass Malone/Malone/Oscar with another ring for 15th AT as a ceiling.

[Ron Swanson]

Lol, absolutely worthless list. KD has really gaslit an entire generation of basketball fans into believing aesthetic = peak greatness. There isn't a serious argument for him and half of the guys in their 10-20 range over Giannis anymore (Baylor and Malone lulz). Like mnost of these lists, they always massively overrate longevity.

[Licensed to Il]

I think Giannis is already a top 15 player ever, if the criteria weighs peak performance and overall impact over longevity stats.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Lol, absolutely worthless list. KD has really gaslit an entire generation of basketball fans into believing aesthetic = peak greatness. There isn't a serious argument for him and half of the guys in their 10-20 range over Giannis anymore (Baylor and Malone lulz). Like mnost of these lists, they always massively overrate longevity.

The KD one really stood out. Rings are not created equally and have trouble with him in the Bakers Dozen.

Which Malone do you have an issue with? I don't think either above Giannis is Lolz-worthy, though could see Giannis above either.

Karl - Two MVPs, 11 All-NBA 1st Team selections, 14 All-Stars, three All-Defensive 1st Team selections - Not too dissimilar from Giannis. Would have a ring as well if Jordan wasn't Jordan. He has 2 Finals and 1 ECF appearance, so it translated a bit to team success

Moses - One NBA title, one Finals MVP, three MVPs, eight All-NBA selections, 12 All-Stars, two All-Defensive Team selections - Again not too dissimilar and both Malones have the longevity as a tie-breaker.

[BUCKnation]

Jokic and Giannis are both top 15 right now, ahead of KD.

[Licensed to Il]

Lol, absolutely worthless list. KD has really gaslit an entire generation of basketball fans into believing aesthetic = peak greatness. There isn't a serious argument for him and half of the guys in their 10-20 range over Giannis anymore (Baylor and Malone lulz). Like mnost of these lists, they always massively overrate longevity.

The KD one really stood out. Rings are not created equally and have trouble with him in the Bakers Dozen.

Which Malone do you have an issue with? I don't think either above Giannis is Lolz-worthy, though could see Giannis above either.

Karl - Two MVPs, 11 All-NBA 1st Team selections, 14 All-Stars, three All-Defensive 1st Team selections - Not too dissimilar from Giannis. Would have a ring as well if Jordan wasn't Jordan. He has 2 Finals and 1 ECF appearance, so it translated a bit to team success

Moses - One NBA title, one Finals MVP, three MVPs, eight All-NBA selections, 12 All-Stars, two All-Defensive Team selections - Again not too dissimilar and both Malones have the longevity as a tie-breaker.

I think this is the interesting part of the debate. Karl Malone was way better than most remember, solid defender and elite at scoring and rebounding. Carried a franchise for over a decade. Worthy of respect as a great player. But Karl’s peak was not as good as Giannis’. Karl could not have guarded GA. GA could have given Karl’s shooting trouble, with his length. Karl never led his team to a title. Giannis deserves the nod for us being able to say “he was the best player on a title team.” Obviously if the discussion favors stats, Karl is an all timer stat guy. But that values “doing something good for a long time” which is not necessarily the same as being an all time most dominant player.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, we have a good 6-year, prime MVP level play type run of Giannis now to know that guys like KD, both Malones, Dirk, Barkley, and any of the offense-first guys outside of Magic/Jokic/Oscar (offensive GOAT tier) just don't have a serious case at being a better or more impactful player than a guy who's one of the greatest scorers ever combined with DPOTY defensive impact.

The KD stuff is absolutely baffling. It's like the media felt bad that he got so much **** for joining Golden State, that they've over corrected to an even more extreme and comical degree. His resume on paper (one MVP, two titles, 6x All-NBA 1st teams) isn't even worthy of Top-15 credentials, and that's before we even contextualize how he "earned" those two rings. Dude is tracking to be the most prolific, "unearned legacy credit" superstar of all-time, and that's saying something when guys like Pippen and Isaiah Thomas are Top-30 in both these lists...

[Sigra]

Right now I have Giannis in top 20 ever. But, I am sure when he retires everybody (me included) will have him in top 15 firmly.

[Licensed to Il]

Yeah, we have a good 6-year, prime MVP level play type run of Giannis now to know that guys like KD, both Malones, Dirk, Barkley, and any of the offense-first guys outside of Magic/Jokic/Oscar (offensive GOAT tier) just don't have a serious case at being a better or more impactful player than a guy who's one of the greatest scorers ever combined with DPOTY defensive impact.

The KD stuff is absolutely baffling. It's like the media felt bad that he got so much **** for joining Golden State, that they've over corrected to an even more extreme and comical degree. His resume on paper (one MVP, two titles, 6x All-NBA 1st teams) isn't even worthy of Top-15 credentials, and that's before we even contextualize how he "earned" those two rings. Dude is tracking to be the most prolific, "unearned legacy credit" superstar of all-time, and that's saying something when guys like Pippen and Isaiah Thomas are Top-30 in both these lists...

I hate Isaiah Thomas with red hot passion. But he led two title teams and was a legit top 2 PG of his generation. Im not sure a lot of people over rate him in the sense I’ve never heard anyone put him in an all time top 30. I certainly don’t include him on any top 30 list. But he was the best PG in the east for a decade.

Pippen is an interesting discussion. I think he was a top ten in the league guy from 92-98, perhaps even as high as 4-5. He deserved mvp the first year MJ retired, but the media didn’t really know what to do with the team’s success without MJ. He was the best wing defender in his era, could score inside and out, and was an amazing passer. Six rings (but usually as the second best player on the court). I don’t consider him all time top 30. Id start thinking about him around 30, between 30 and 50 for sure, he was so versatile.

Another factor is those two are probably among the all time pricks in league history. So that doesn’t belp their causes.

I definitely agree Durant is not belonging in any top 30 all time list. I like his game, but he is a little Pippen-ish in that he was never the top player on a title team. And both are salty AF

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yeah, we have a good 6-year, prime MVP level play type run of Giannis now to know that guys like KD, both Malones, Dirk, Barkley, and any of the offense-first guys outside of Magic/Jokic/Oscar (offensive GOAT tier) just don't have a serious case at being a better or more impactful player than a guy who's one of the greatest scorers ever combined with DPOTY defensive impact.

Karl Malone had a 13-year run where he was Top 8 in MVP (9 at Top 5). He won 2 in an era with Jordan, Shaq, Robinson. He has 3 first team all-defense. He was a Jordan jumper away from having more playoff success than Giannis (Or if KD stepped 2 inches back, would we even be having this convo?). I'm not here saying Malone was better than Giannis, but to say someone having Karl Malone ahead of Giannis is laughable ....is well laughable. These guys are on the same tier where they dominated their era and one of only 15 players with multiple MVPs. Being compared to karl malone is not an insult .... well at least on the court.

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, thinking Karl Malone was at any point a better basketball player than peak/prime Giannis is laughable. I stand by that 100%. Malone was notoriously the opposite of a playoff riser. Even removing Jordan, he never had a serious argument for being a Top-2 player in the league. Giannis has as many Top-3 MVP finishes in the last 6-years as Malone did in his entire career (5). Again, this overrating of longevity stats is precisely my gripe with these kinds of lists. This isn't baseball. Al freaking Jefferson was Top-8 in MVP voting not too long ago. Who really cares?

[Licensed to Il]

Yeah, we have a good 6-year, prime MVP level play type run of Giannis now to know that guys like KD, both Malones, Dirk, Barkley, and any of the offense-first guys outside of Magic/Jokic/Oscar (offensive GOAT tier) just don't have a serious case at being a better or more impactful player than a guy who's one of the greatest scorers ever combined with DPOTY defensive impact.

Karl Malone had a 13-year run where he was Top 8 in MVP (9 at Top 5). He won 2 in an era with Jordan, Shaq, Robinson. He has 3 first team all-defense. He was a Jordan jumper away from having more playoff success than Giannis (Or if KD stepped 2 inches back, would we even be having this convo?). I'm not here saying Malone was better than Giannis, but to say someone having Karl Malone ahead of Giannis is laughable ....is well laughable. These guys are on the same tier where they dominated their era and one of only 15 players with multiple MVPs. Being compared to karl malone is not an insult .... well at least on the court.

I think your defense of Karl is warranted. But don’t you agree that GA does more for his team than Karl? Like if you were picking in a draft, I think 10 of 10 GMs are talking Giannis before Karl (who is a great player in his own right). Also, the “one jump shot, foot on the line, etc” is fine but Giannis DID win a title as best player and Karl didn’t. That is not nothing.

[FrieAaron]

Also worth noting that Malone's #2 was a 10-time all-star himself and near MVP level player himself.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yes, thinking Karl Malone was at any point a better basketball player than peak/prime Giannis is laughable. I stand by that 100%. Malone was notoriously the opposite of a playoff riser. Even removing Jordan, he never had a serious argument for being a Top-2 player in the league. Giannis has as many Top-3 MVP finishes in the last 6-years as Malone did in his entire career (5). Again, this overrating of longevity stats is precisely my gripe with these kinds of lists. This isn't baseball. Al freaking Jefferson was Top-8 in MVP voting not too long ago. Who really cares?

Am I missing something? He was league MVP 2x, finished 2nd a third, and two other seasons 3rd.....and you are bringing up an outlier like Al Jefferson's peak to pooh-pooh? Fine. ignore top 8 and say top 3 and at this point it was pretty equal. (5* for Giannis; 5 for Malone). This isn't Joe Johnson where he scored a bunch of points over 20 years.

Again, I'm preferring Giannis (I do, too). But their peaks are close enough (Giannis's was better) that I really dont see much difference in resume. Giannis slightly better peak, while Malone has longevity stats. Malone was an absolute iron man and was healthy in the playoffs, and that matters.

ETA: I think Giannis eventually separates himself from Malone with a few more peak years. I am just comparing current resumes and not peaks/potential, otherwise we would have Bill Walton a lot higher on these lists.