Bears 12.0

[Chi town]

So Bears to give an extension without winning any games.

Make Poles prove it.

[Betta Bulleavit]

So Bears to give an extension without winning any games.

Make Poles prove it.

I think we all knew it was coming. The circumstances just are what they are. We weren’t going to let a lame duck GM draft his own QB and hire his own coach.

[MAQ]

Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.

Ryan Pace was actually better.

By what measure?

[dice]

Poles extended for 5 years. Hmmm.

Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.

BS

the one thing poles did that got him this extension (and got ben johnson here) was luck into caleb williams. and that involved passing on stroud and daniels

-hastily chose worst of at least 3 HC options (flus)
-bad trade for sweat (no monday morning QBing required - i called it at the time)
-horrendous trade for claypool (ditto)
-bad trade for keenan (ditto)
-bad trade for bates (ditto)
-huge deal for a guy coming off 1st good season because the incoming coach wanted him (edmunds/flus)
-inexplicable trade and extension for a RG who had 1 good season and was benched/injured last year...because the incoming coach wanted him (jackson)
-bad trade return for justin (timing?)

the good he's done doesn't come close to the bad

[Dresden]

Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.

BS

the one thing poles did that got him this extension (and got ben johnson here) was luck into caleb williams. and that involved passing on stroud and daniels

-hastily chose worst of at least 3 HC options (flus)
-bad trade for sweat (no monday morning QBing required - i called it at the time)
-horrendous trade for claypool (ditto)
-bad trade for keenan (ditto)
-bad trade for bates (ditto)
-huge deal for a guy coming off 1st good season because the incoming coach wanted him (edmunds/flus)
-inexplicable trade and extension for a RG who had 1 good season and was benched/injured last year...because the incoming coach wanted him (jackson)
-bad trade return for justin (timing?)

the good he's done doesn't come close to the bad

And yet he's put together a team that should be on the cusp of being one of the best in the NFC.

[Chi town]

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.

BS

the one thing poles did that got him this extension (and got ben johnson here) was luck into caleb williams. and that involved passing on stroud and daniels

-hastily chose worst of at least 3 HC options (flus)
-bad trade for sweat (no monday morning QBing required - i called it at the time)
-horrendous trade for claypool (ditto)
-bad trade for keenan (ditto)
-bad trade for bates (ditto)
-huge deal for a guy coming off 1st good season because the incoming coach wanted him (edmunds/flus)
-inexplicable trade and extension for a RG who had 1 good season and was benched/injured last year...because the incoming coach wanted him (jackson)
-bad trade return for justin (timing?)

the good he's done doesn't come close to the bad

And yet he's put together a team that should be on the cusp of being one of the best in the NFC.

The best thing he’s done is trade for what became CW.

2nd best is get Ben Johnson.

I believe those will be two very big things.

Still think he’s average. Nothing special. Coach will make him look good though.

[fleet]

Dodged a bullet

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[othawhitemeat]

Dodged a bullet

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Wow, to knock her out is awful. He is done

[dice]

BS

the one thing poles did that got him this extension (and got ben johnson here) was luck into caleb williams. and that involved passing on stroud and daniels

-hastily chose worst of at least 3 HC options (flus)
-bad trade for sweat (no monday morning QBing required - i called it at the time)
-horrendous trade for claypool (ditto)
-bad trade for keenan (ditto)
-bad trade for bates (ditto)
-huge deal for a guy coming off 1st good season because the incoming coach wanted him (edmunds/flus)
-inexplicable trade and extension for a RG who had 1 good season and was benched/injured last year...because the incoming coach wanted him (jackson)
-bad trade return for justin (timing?)

the good he's done doesn't come close to the bad

And yet he's put together a team that should be on the cusp of being one of the best in the NFC.

The best thing he’s done is trade for what became CW.

2nd best is get Ben Johnson.

I believe those will be two very big things.

Still think he’s average. Nothing special. Coach will make him look good though.

he's taken 3 years to get back up to an average roster. only pure luck (caleb/ben) will get him beyond that. but he and now ben continue to make things more difficult than they should be by trading picks for players a year away from a new contract. if thuney continues to crush it on his age 34-35 contract it'll be poles's first successful trade of that nature

[1985Bear]

Waddle was with Peggy K yesterday calling for Bears to let the public know it wasn’t Poles who hired Flus. Waddle hints that he knows Trace well and It was part of the Trace Armstrong insider trading era. The oddly timed extension indicates a make good to Poles for handcuffing him to a terrible coach.

If Flus was forced on Poles, does that change any opinion of Poles? It does for me, since I like the talent Poles has accumulated and the eye test shows that they underperform.

I went to the opener v Titans last year and commented during the game that it seems like the Titans know all our plays before the snap.
Out coached at every level.


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[Dresden]

And yet he's put together a team that should be on the cusp of being one of the best in the NFC.

The best thing he’s done is trade for what became CW.

2nd best is get Ben Johnson.

I believe those will be two very big things.

Still think he’s average. Nothing special. Coach will make him look good though.

he's taken 3 years to get back up to an average roster. only pure luck (caleb/ben) will get him beyond that. but he and now ben continue to make things more difficult than they should be by trading picks for players a year away from a new contract. if thuney continues to crush it on his age 34-35 contract it'll be poles's first successful trade of that nature

Nitpick all you want, but the bottom line is whether he wins or not, and if this team does turn into a SB contender in the next few years, you have to admit he did a great job.

Everyone used to complain that our rebuilds were never done correctly- patiently and with the long term in mind. So you can't complain now that he hasn't accomplished anything yet in 3 years. He's been doing exactly what everyone said was needed- a slow, thorough process.

[Dresden]

Dodged a bullet

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We sure did. He was my choice after Jeanty.

[dice]

i'll take this guy over Nope Ryan II:



'cause the Nope only conjures enough miracles to keep his job

at least the mccaskeys aren't as loyal as the 'dorfs

[Dresden]

I wonder if the Bears would have taken Jeanty if he was available when they picked?

[NZB2323]

Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.

BS

the one thing poles did that got him this extension (and got ben johnson here) was luck into caleb williams. and that involved passing on stroud and daniels

-hastily chose worst of at least 3 HC options (flus)
-bad trade for sweat (no monday morning QBing required - i called it at the time)
-horrendous trade for claypool (ditto)
-bad trade for keenan (ditto)
-bad trade for bates (ditto)
-huge deal for a guy coming off 1st good season because the incoming coach wanted him (edmunds/flus)
-inexplicable trade and extension for a RG who had 1 good season and was benched/injured last year...because the incoming coach wanted him (jackson)
-bad trade return for justin (timing?)

the good he's done doesn't come close to the bad

The jury is still out on the Sweat deal. I feel like you have a unique way of looking at things where you evaluate every move through the lenses of expected performance vs. salary. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think you’d have a lot of criticisms for just about any GM in the league, as well as whoever would replace Poles if we fired him.

[Dresden]

Most of these things are coin flips- some turn out good, some not so good. To label a move "bad" in such an unequivocal way either reflects a lack of understanding of how difficult making personnel decisions is and how much luck is involved, or it shows a lot of arrogance.

[Susan]

Most of these things are coin flips- some turn out good, some not so good. To label a move "bad" in such an unequivocal way either reflects a lack of understanding of how difficult making personnel decisions is and how much luck is involved, or it shows a lot of arrogance.

Poles has had some alarming misses and misjudged situations wildly.

[molepharmer]

Most of these things are coin flips- some turn out good, some not so good. To label a move "bad" in such an unequivocal way either reflects a lack of understanding of how difficult making personnel decisions is and how much luck is involved, or it shows a lot of arrogance.

Poles has had some alarming misses and misjudged situations wildly.

I do wonder how much influence outside parties or past interactions can lead to specific player signings. Based on their past, certainly seems Ben Johnson wanted J Jackson, Eberflus probably wanted Nate Davis (same division). Poles and Thuney with the KC connection and did the Caleb/Keenan familiarity prompt that signing. What about TJ Edwards being from Chicago. Those are the more transparent ones, likely some other more behind the scene connections.....I'm not even considering the draft but you can be certain some scout was pounding the table for their guy to be drafted. Not absolving Poles from any bad signings or draft because at the end of the day these go on his resume. Simply pondering what goes on behind closed doors.

[1985Bear]

Most of these things are coin flips- some turn out good, some not so good. To label a move "bad" in such an unequivocal way either reflects a lack of understanding of how difficult making personnel decisions is and how much luck is involved, or it shows a lot of arrogance.

Poles has had some alarming misses and misjudged situations wildly.

What are Poles biggest mis steps:
1. Flus- I am in the camp that Flus was put on Poles and it’s been made up for with Ben Johnson.
2. Claypool for a 2nd - bad evaluation
3. Signing Nate Davis for $10m. Nate quit after what seemed like a value signing.
4. Sweat?- he is our best D lineman. Who could we have gotten for same money that offseason without giving up a pick?


Anyone who cries over trading 4-7 round picks isn’t living in reality. (Yes 1 season of good starter level production is worth that.)

4th for Keenan- 70 Catches 7TDs. Find that in last years draft after the first 17 WRs are off the board.
5th round for Bates- OLine depth is what you hope for in rds 5-7 and we solidified that for a 5th.
Edmunds is a good LB who came at the request of the coach. His money did not stop us from spending on anyone else.
Not getting enough for Justin is all in your head.

Poles has done decent. Did he earn an extension? If Flus was really his hire and it was Poles doubling down on him last year, then no he did not deserve extension.

If Ben Johnson likes the way Poles works and wants him here as his GM, then Yes.


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[Peelboy]

My criticisms of Poles are basically twofold:
1. Coach hiring AND extending. The “forced on him via the Trace mafia” argument might work for the hiring, but on the resigning? That seems wholly on Poles. Add in the allowing of the hiring of Getsy and then Waldron……. :puke: absolute travesty, especially for a young franchise QB.
2. Combine 1 with not bolstering the OL for Caleb. And I’m not talking about scrap heap guys (Bates, Shelton, Patrick). Throw in the big signing of Davis with huge red flags. These are all at-the-time forseeable problems for a young QB. And the best asset used last offseason for OL w the injured Amigadije.

Now I will say in my view, he has turned those around this offseason. I love the Johnson signing, and I am somewhere between highly and overly optimistic on the 3 interior OL, and comfortable with Braxton/Ozzy for LT.

The other moves I’d say I lean positive. Mix of good (Sweat trade) and bad (Chase trade), some good picks (Wright, Brisker, Gordon, Tyrique, T. Smith), some bad (Velus, Pickens, 2 punters, Scott).

My biggest concern is the history of building “outside in” particularly with a young QB. The good news IMO is that he seems to have realized that issue and flipped to some degree (I don’t blame him for Loveland at 11 this year given the way the board fell in terms of OL and the depth at DL).