Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26

[GreenBlooded]

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I think ppl are discounting the possibility the Cs are judging his value not to trade him but to put an extension offer together for him

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OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

[redslastlaugh]

good stuff!

one thing is I'd really hate is to cut Walsh. I think, even if he's not in the longterm plans, you try to flip him to another team for a future 2nd.

I think of when Doc was coaching the Sixers and he wanted Philly to sign vets like Dewayne Dedmon and so Philly just waived their later 2nd round picks: Isaiah Joe & Charles Bassey. Both Joe and Bassy got picked up for a free tryout and Philly got no compensation.

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

[IBleed4Green]

Congrats and good luck to Drew:

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/07/boston-celtics-free-agent-forward-joins-hornets-on-two-way-deal.html

I wish we would have kept Drew. I thought he played well in limited minutes when he was called up. I think he could turn into a Hauser level player. The two second round draft picks don't seem to have more upside than Drew did.

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Congrats and good luck to Drew:

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/07/boston-celtics-free-agent-forward-joins-hornets-on-two-way-deal.html

I wish we would have kept Drew. I thought he played well in limited minutes when he was called up. I think he could turn into a Hauser level player. The two second round draft picks don't seem to have more upside than Drew did.

I think it's interesting that he went to the Hornets. Coach Charlie Lee of course had experience with him in Boston.

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good stuff!

one thing is I'd really hate is to cut Walsh. I think, even if he's not in the longterm plans, you try to flip him to another team for a future 2nd.

I think of when Doc was coaching the Sixers and he wanted Philly to sign vets like Dewayne Dedmon and so Philly just waived their later 2nd round picks: Isaiah Joe & Charles Bassey. Both Joe and Bassy got picked up for a free tryout and Philly got no compensation.

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

So how do you think Anton Watson will show this year where? I didn't hear peep out of him when the C's played the Knicks in SL this week: https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/jul/15/like-practice-back-at-gu-former-gonzaga-teammates-/

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Congrats and good luck to Drew:

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2025/07/boston-celtics-free-agent-forward-joins-hornets-on-two-way-deal.html

I wish we would have kept Drew. I thought he played well in limited minutes when he was called up. I think he could turn into a Hauser level player. The two second round draft picks don't seem to have more upside than Drew did.

I think it's interesting that he went to the Hornets. Coach Charlie Lee of course had experience with him in Boston.

That and the Hornets seem to be adding lots of unathletic white guys to their team this summer. They drafted Knueppel 4th pick, McNeeley late in the 1st round, Kalkbrenner in the 2nd round..

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good stuff!

one thing is I'd really hate is to cut Walsh. I think, even if he's not in the longterm plans, you try to flip him to another team for a future 2nd.

I think of when Doc was coaching the Sixers and he wanted Philly to sign vets like Dewayne Dedmon and so Philly just waived their later 2nd round picks: Isaiah Joe & Charles Bassey. Both Joe and Bassy got picked up for a free tryout and Philly got no compensation.

So how do you think Anton Watson will show this year where?

Anton Watson was the 54th pick and would likely have gone undrafted id Brad didn't take him.

Jordan Walsh was a top 15 HS recruit in the recruiting services who in pre-draft projections was expected to go in the 20-35 range. Walsh has a lot more value than Watson did (though perhaps Jordan's value is merely theoretical, it could amount to nothing, i admit)
But Jordan Walsh is not on par with Anton Watson as a trade asset

[chrisab123]

Like Paul George knows anything about "winning culture". Paul George concerned about a "winning culture" and signed in Philly?

Tbh PG isn’t the smartest dude in the world. Went to Tootsies, didn’t wear a raincoat, got a baby momma. Baby momma blackmails him, he goes back to talk it out, knocks her up again and marries her. I dunno…

Hahaha wow. Tootsies is a nice establishment if you’ve never been. Went on a bachelor party that place is wild

Used to live in Brickell. Like I can make fun of PG13 but I never said I didnt understand.

[jmr07019]

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

Pritchard better than white

Queta better than Tatum

Hauser better than brown

Seems extremely noisy, borderline broken

[Hal14]

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

Pritchard better than white

Queta better than Tatum

Hauser better than brown

Seems extremely noisy, borderline broken

I think you're taking the data too literally..

Again, it's simply a data point to help give us an understanding of which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated. That's all. If you're looking at it and thinking that Pritchard is better than Tatum, you're interpreting it wrong/too literally.

For context, here are the top 32 players in the league last season in WS/48:



SGA 1st, Jokic 2nd. That checks out. Giannis right near the top. For the most part, it looks fairly close to a ranking of the league's top players last season.

Guys like Minott and Queta aren't listed there because they didn't play enough mins..but using this metic for low minute players can help us to uncover some hidden gems - guys who could shine, if given more of an opportunity.

Stats like these are always meant to just give a rough idea of how good the players are - how much they contribute to winning. They're never supposed to serve as like the be all, end all ranking that shows who is better between 2 given players..

[brackdan70]

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

Pritchard better than white

Queta better than Tatum

Hauser better than brown

Seems extremely noisy, borderline broken

Yeah WS/48 will over value guys with fewer minutes. It’s an un-adjusted box score derived stat so you can project the potential issues with using it.
Some adjusted metrics like LEBRON, EPM, DARKO etc…even RAPM give you a better picture.
Looking at those Tatum, Pritchard and White are still studs. Brown is solid, but below what you’d like as a super max guy. Minott and Queta not too shabby, Garza not that great.
Hauser is decent. Simons and Niang don’t look good.
There others are inconclusive.

[Dogen]

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

Pritchard better than white

Queta better than Tatum

Hauser better than brown

Seems extremely noisy, borderline broken

I think you're taking the data too literally..

Again, it's simply a data point to help give us an understanding of which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated. That's all. If you're looking at it and thinking that Pritchard is better than Tatum, you're interpreting it wrong/too literally.

For context, here are the top 32 players in the league last season in WS/48:



SGA 1st, Jokic 2nd. That checks out. Giannis right near the top. For the most part, it looks fairly close to a ranking of the league's top players last season.

Guys like Minott and Queta aren't listed there because they didn't play enough mins..but using this metic for low minute players can help us to uncover some hidden gems - guys who could shine, if given more of an opportunity.

Stats like these are always meant to just give a rough idea of how good the players are - how much they contribute to winning. They're never supposed to serve as like the be all, end all ranking that shows who is better between 2 given players..

We could really use a Duren/Zubac/Hartenstein type about now...

[Celts17Pride]

Pritchard better than white

Queta better than Tatum

Hauser better than brown

Seems extremely noisy, borderline broken

I think you're taking the data too literally..

Again, it's simply a data point to help give us an understanding of which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated. That's all. If you're looking at it and thinking that Pritchard is better than Tatum, you're interpreting it wrong/too literally.

For context, here are the top 32 players in the league last season in WS/48:



SGA 1st, Jokic 2nd. That checks out. Giannis right near the top. For the most part, it looks fairly close to a ranking of the league's top players last season.

Guys like Minott and Queta aren't listed there because they didn't play enough mins..but using this metic for low minute players can help us to uncover some hidden gems - guys who could shine, if given more of an opportunity.

Stats like these are always meant to just give a rough idea of how good the players are - how much they contribute to winning. They're never supposed to serve as like the be all, end all ranking that shows who is better between 2 given players..

We could really use a Duren/Zubac/Hartenstein type about now...

We can’t even get a Bassey

[Hal14]

OK, so I know that stats aren't everything. And some of the advanced numbers can be misleading.

But one that I think does a somewhat decent job of showing how good players are is WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes). I think it gives us a glimpse into which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated.

These are the numbers from last season:

Pritchard better than white

Queta better than Tatum

Hauser better than brown

Seems extremely noisy, borderline broken

Yeah WS/48 will over value guys with fewer minutes. It’s an un-adjusted box score derived stat so you can project the potential issues with using it.
Some adjusted metrics like LEBRON, EPM, DARKO etc…even RAPM give you a better picture.
Looking at those Tatum, Pritchard and White are still studs. Brown is solid, but below what you’d like as a super max guy. Minott and Queta not too shabby, Garza not that great.
Hauser is decent. Simons and Niang don’t look good.
There others are inconclusive.

Sometimes, yes. But Walsh and Tillman had low minutes last year and they performed very bad in WS/48.

Those metrics you mentioned are good too. But perhaps overvalue guys who play more mins. The top 15 guys in the league last season in WS/48 were basically all high minute players.

WS/48 generally is "playing time agnostic", I think.

I think in terms of uncovering some hidden gems who were low minute guys but could shine if given more of an opportunity, WS/48 does a decent job.

Perhaps Brad and the staff have used WS/48 (and perhaps other metics as well) which may have contributed to us signing Garza and Minott. And Perhaps that is why Brad is comfortable going into the season with Queta as our starting C.

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Speaking of advanced stats with varying levels of meaning, the best net +/- guys last year were, drum roll, please…..

Kornet and Horford!!

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Career WS/48
Enes Freedom: .157
Jayson Tatum: .156

Like what are we even doing here ? That metric has such an heavy bias towards certain player types (rim running centers for instance) that it's basically meaningless when comparing across positions. Specialists that can only play in very specific matchups appear like they are studs (because they only see the floor in the rare instances where they'll be productive) whereas versatile guys that can play regardless of the identity of the other nine guys on the flor get dinged because they don't have the luxury of only playing against favorable matchups.

[brackdan70]

Career WS/48
Enes Freedom: .157
Jayson Tatum: .156

Like what are we even doing here ? That metric has such an heavy bias towards certain player types (rim running centers for instance) that it's basically meaningless when comparing across positions. Specialists that can only play in very specific matchups appear like they are studs (because they only see the floor in the rare instances where they'll be productive) whereas versatile guys that can play regardless of the identity of the other nine guys on the flor get dinged because they don't have the luxury of only playing against favorable matchups.

Spot on. It’s a great metric for comparing players in similar roles. The fact that it’s not adjusted means it doesn’t account for level of comp. Garbage time, usage etc.

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Career WS/48
Enes Freedom: .157
Jayson Tatum: .156

That's a cherry picked, outlier example.

You might want to read my posts more carefully. I literally said that WS/48 mins is not a be all, end all metric that tells us who is better than who.

I literally just explained this so I'll re-post as a spoiler:

Spoiler:

I think you're taking the data too literally..

Again, it's simply a data point to help give us an understanding of which high minute players are kind of overrated and which lower minute players are perhaps underrated. That's all. If you're looking at it and thinking that Pritchard is better than Tatum, you're interpreting it wrong/too literally.

For context, here are the top 32 players in the league last season in WS/48:



SGA 1st, Jokic 2nd. That checks out. Giannis right near the top. For the most part, it looks fairly close to a ranking of the league's top players last season.

Guys like Minott and Queta aren't listed there because they didn't play enough mins..but using this metic for low minute players can help us to uncover some hidden gems - guys who could shine, if given more of an opportunity.

Stats like these are always meant to just give a rough idea of how good the players are - how much they contribute to winning. They're never supposed to serve as like the be all, end all ranking that shows who is better between 2 given players..

You're also fixating too much on the fact that I used WS/48, which is not the main point of my original post. My main point was the stuff in the notes section of the chart I posted. If you have any thoughts on what I typed there, or any specific feedback, questions or things you want to debate with what I typed in there, be my guest..

[jfs1000d]

I haven't seen any summer league as I'm out of town but you guys seem pretty high on Bassey.

Is this just summer league vibes or do people see him as a real rotation option?

Well, prior to our 1st summer league game a few days ago, there was basically zero chatter on here or anywhere about Bassey..no rumors about him possibly signing with any of the 30 NBA teams.

Free agents began signing with teams on June 14 (Steven Adams resigned with Houston that day). Our first SL game was July 11. That's 27 days Bassey was sitting there as a FA, there for the taking for all 30 NBA teams yet there wasn't a peep about him by any reporter, any scout, any media outlet, any blogger..so that should give you your answer.

Even after these 2 SL games he's played, there's still not really any reports about any real interest any NBA team has in signing him to a guaranteed contract.

That’s prob more a statement on journalism than anything else.

That said he’s still 3rd/4th/5th string potential until proven otherwise.

Journalism? You gonna pay someone to worry about Bassy? Lol. Like that is a dudes job?


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