NOP tries to return AD to NOLA

[nolaPELSfan]

NOP trades:
Trey Murphy, Yves Missi, Dejounte Murray, 3 1sts('28 '30 & '32)

DAL trades: Anthony Davis, Dwight Powell, Brandon Williams

Pels do it to pair AD with Zion for a completed frontcourt to rock with for the next 3 years of both their deals

Mavs do it to get 2 young players that fit with Flagg, 3 1sts, and a vet PG that could help make Kyrie expendable and probably comes back sooner to take over for Russell.


Does this equal or trump other AD offers seen?
Does Dallas consider?

[Myth]

I can’t see Pelicans doing this. I don’t think Pelicans are contenders even healthy, but the chances of them being healthy at the same time are also razor thin. Murphy+ and 3 firsts for that? I wouldn’t if I were them. I’d go the opposite direction and trade Zion in hopes of going more towards the future.

[winforlose]

I can’t see Pelicans doing this. I don’t think Pelicans are contenders even healthy, but the chances of them being healthy at the same time are also razor thin. Murphy+ and 3 firsts for that? I wouldn’t if I were them. I’d go the opposite direction and trade Zion in hopes of going more towards the future.

I agree. Outside of Herb Jones what does this leave NOLA to contend with? Zion and AD are both unreliable, and they have support outside of the above named players. Plus, this gives away their ability to tank. NOLA’s picks could be very good by 28.

[nolaPELSfan]

If this trade was made I think the eventual lineup would be something like:

Fears/Poole/Zion/Queen/AD
Jose/Herb/Bey/Karlo/Looney
Williams/Hawkins/Alexander/Peavy/Powell


Personally i don't think thats half bad. Also the Pels just aren't a team to tank, generally, last year being the rare exception, but we had no choice but to embrace haha. If that happened again, yeah disaster... but you can just trade Zion and AD at that point and start over.

[nolaPELSfan]

I figured this would take a few 1sts on top to make happen, but i posted this on another site and a Mavs fan said it was even without the picks- could that be true? Yall both seem to think 3 1sts is too much... is 2 1sts still too much? 1 1st?(that would be amazing to me)

[psman2]

NOP should not be trading for AD while they are breaking in a rookie PG and their other expense PG is an expensive unknown until he get back from injury.

[nolaPELSfan]

Are Tatum Hali and Kyrie unknowns until return from injury too? Does Dallas need AD while breaking in rookie Coop? We Buying Dallas as contenders next year? Because I'm not even sure they do...

This isn't necessarily my point of view, but ive gotta push back, psman2. Pels aren't going to lie down in crap because thats where everyone thinks they belong. Sorry but my biggest pet-peave around here is fans of a team telling another ones that there is no point in trying improve, or that its worthless to try; treadmill, etc.
Not pointing any fingers, but it is a pathetic and frankly incorrect point of view. Rather try and fail with something on the line. Rather be entertained and lose, than to lose on purpose and have to feign hope and good times. Yall tank on your own time and dime. Irrelevance should never be chosen. This disease has just about run its course, please yall don't spread it anymore and this league might end up aight. But when the "smart" "fans" of basketball goon so hard over tanking and ridicule so hard trying, i have my doubts!

[psman2]

Are Tatum Hali and Kyrie unknowns until return from injury too? Does Dallas need AD while breaking in rookie Coop? We Buying Dallas as contenders next year? Because I'm not even sure they do...

This isn't necessarily my point of view, but ive gotta push back, psman2. Pels aren't going to lie down in crap because thats where everyone thinks they belong. Sorry but my biggest pet-peave around here is fans of a team telling another ones that there is no point in trying improve, or that its worthless to try; treadmill, etc.
Not pointing any fingers, but it is a pathetic and frankly incorrect point of view. Rather try and fail with something on the line. Rather be entertained and lose, than to lose on purpose and have to feign hope and good times. Yall tank on your own time and dime. Irrelevance should never be chosen. This disease has just about run its course, please yall don't spread it anymore and this league might end up aight. But when the "smart" "fans" of basketball goon so hard over tanking and ridicule so hard trying, i have my doubts!

Is Boston spending a bunch of assets trying to push all in while Tatum is hurt, seems like they are doing the opposite. Is Dallas? Is Indy? Plus all those players are a lot more proven than Murray. You can push back all that you want but the reality of your trade is the resulting team is likely a play in team still that is if AD gives you a full healthy season. You cannot spend the type of assets you are proposing and still not drastically improve your chances, especially on an older injury prone player. I am not telling you to tanking is the way to go, I am just saying that the timing and price of this particular trade is not something I would endorse if my goal was to try to complete sooner rather than later.

[daoneandonly]

If this were offered Dallas should take it run and expect some box seats purchases from me even though I live near DC. Murphy would be an awesome tag team partner for Flagg, and get this, he plays and tries, unlike AD. Heck NO can keep one of those picks and swap Powell for Omax.

[nolaPELSfan]

[quote="psman2"]
Is Boston spending a bunch of assets trying to push all in while Tatum is hurt, seems like they are doing the opposite. Is Dallas? Is Indy? [b]Plus all those players are a lot more proven than Murray[/b]. You can push back all that you want but the reality of your trade is the resulting team is likely a play in team still that is if AD gives you a full healthy season. You cannot spend the type of assets you are proposing and still not drastically improve your chances, especially on an older injury prone player. I am not telling you to tanking is the way to go, I am just saying that the timing and price of this particular trade is not something I would endorse if my goal was to try to complete sooner rather than later.[/quote]

Right, they are doing what we did last year, when there really was no point because our top 4 or 5 players all missed significant time (kinda like missing an MVP haha). We have to bet on Zion being heathy at some point, whether we like it or not, whether it comes true or not. Zion may not be the best #1, but is likely to be the best #1 we see for some time. I vehemently disagree that upgrading your #2 to AD has no impact. He won a chip as a #2. You ask me he's got a harder path next year at least as the Mav's #1. We know what thats like. We traded 2 future picks already- i get disagreeing that we should have or should continue to, but the direction is clear, and its not what everyone thinks we should do, it is what have been needing to be done for 4 years. This is our last chance over the next year or 3 to make the Zion centric team work, we have to commit to it. The ONLY reason I (or anyone else) can entertain the availability of AD in trades is because he is older now and injury prone. If someone is able to trade for Zion- it would be because he is injury prone. There is no market for young stud players, teams do not trade those; you would have us wait forever.

I bolded that part because it wasn't your point or mine, but somehow i knew you would say that! They are all proven and unproven in a sense. What does being a better or worse player have to do with it?

[jayjaysee]

I’d do the OP with Poole in place of Trey.. I think you can get a first for Missi from a third team?

Tank a season... Next offseason own whatever pick Missi gets back, the Pel future picks and the LAL first on top of a meh looking group of..

Kyrie/Poole
DJM/Christie
Flagg/Naji
PJ
Lively/Gafford

And hope the 2026 pick is AJ or Peterson.. That’s enough vet talent to help the kids stay respectable through development.

If Flagg is a star, you have the draft capital to trade for a star younger (probably not better) than AD.. If he’s a bust, you have the draft capital to pay Charlotte for the 2027 first back (or just trade Missi for it) and tank another season. At that point, you could trade Irving and PJ.. trade DJM if he’s a neutral/positive..

For NOP… I don’t understand it either way... But if you can keep Trey out of it… you can probably go get Garland or some other really good PG and actually have a really strong team. You’d have Queen and Fears as decent value youth to add in the trade, or use to address the fifth starter after..

[daoneandonly]

I’d do the OP with Poole in place of Trey.. I think you can get a first for Missi from a third team?

Tank a season... Next offseason own whatever pick Missi gets back, the Pel future picks and the LAL first on top of a meh looking group of..

Kyrie/Poole
DJM/Christie
Flagg/Naji
PJ
Lively/Gafford

And hope the 2026 pick is AJ or Peterson.. That’s enough vet talent to help the kids stay respectable through development.

If Flagg is a star, you have the draft capital to trade for a star younger (probably not better) than AD.. If he’s a bust, you have the draft capital to pay Charlotte for the 2027 first back (or just trade Missi for it) and tank another season. At that point, you could trade Irving and PJ.. trade DJM if he’s a neutral/positive..

For NOP… I don’t understand it either way... But if you can keep Trey out of it… you can probably go get Garland or some other really good PG and actually have a really strong team. You’d have Queen and Fears as decent value youth to add in the trade, or use to address the fifth starter after..

Wouldn't touch Jordan Poole with a 75 ft pole/poole. The guy is abyssmal. I know the intent is tanking on your proposal, but Jordan is dreadful to watch and will do more harm to Cooper and Lively's development than help. I'd rather Nembhard get minutes than give a single sec to Poole

[jayjaysee]

Wouldn't touch Jordan Poole with a 75 ft pole/poole. The guy is abyssmal. I know the intent is tanking on your proposal, but Jordan is dreadful to watch and will do more harm to Cooper and Lively's development than help. I'd rather Nembhard get minutes than give a single sec to Poole

Yeah. Tanking for a year is the goal. And we have proof of Poole’s ability as a tank commander. Or we just play him 8-12 mpg and go with the kids. That’s fine.

Long as we own the NOP picks that come after AD declines and Dumars gets fired… It seems like a win for me.

[BLT]

Joe Dumars is the worst GM in the NBA, and not even he would be dumb enough to do this...

Trey Murphy and Yves ---- AND..... ?!

stop.

[oldncreaky]

If this trade was made I think the eventual lineup would be something like:

Fears/Poole/Zion/Queen/AD
Jose/Herb/Bey/Karlo/Looney
Williams/Hawkins/Alexander/Peavy/Powell


Personally i don't think thats half bad. Also the Pels just aren't a team to tank, generally, last year being the rare exception, but we had no choice but to embrace haha. If that happened again, yeah disaster... but you can just trade Zion and AD at that point and start over.

I don't think that resulting line up is bad. I think it looks pretty average even with a healthy AD -- like a play-in team in the EC, and a lottery team in the WC. But anytime you are pencilling in 2 rookies into your starting line up it is really risky.

Having followed Dumars leading the Pistons for 15 years, I can only express empathy to current NOLA fans. His record on lottery picks is not good. On the plus side, Drummond, KCP and Kennard turned into useful players/starters even if not stars. OTOH, he also drafted Mateen Cleaves, Rodney White, Darko Milicic, Stanimal, Ellerson, Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight in the lottery.

The best I can hope for NOLA fans is that, if drafting is mainly luck, Dumars is overdue to hit on a lottery pick

[daoneandonly]

If this trade was made I think the eventual lineup would be something like:

Fears/Poole/Zion/Queen/AD
Jose/Herb/Bey/Karlo/Looney
Williams/Hawkins/Alexander/Peavy/Powell


Personally i don't think thats half bad. Also the Pels just aren't a team to tank, generally, last year being the rare exception, but we had no choice but to embrace haha. If that happened again, yeah disaster... but you can just trade Zion and AD at that point and start over.

I don't think that resulting line up is bad. I think it looks pretty average even with a healthy AD -- like a play-in team in the EC, and a lottery team in the WC. But anytime you are pencilling in 2 rookies into your starting line up it is really risky.

Having followed Dumars leading the Pistons for 15 years, I can only express empathy to current NOLA fans. His record on lottery picks is not good. On the plus side, Drummond, KCP and Kennard turned into useful players/starters even if not stars. OTOH, he also drafted Mateen Cleaves, Rodney White, Darko Milicic, Stanimal, Ellerson, Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight in the lottery.

The best I can hope for NOLA fans is that, if drafting is mainly luck, Dumars is overdue to hit on a lottery pick

Yea not sure who is worse, Dumas or Nico. It would be a real battle of witless with a trade between the 2

[nolaPELSfan]

I don't think that resulting line up is bad. I think it looks pretty average even with a healthy AD -- like a play-in team in the EC, and a lottery team in the WC. But anytime you are pencilling in 2 rookies into your starting line up it is really risky.

Having followed Dumars leading the Pistons for 15 years, I can only express empathy to current NOLA fans. His record on lottery picks is not good. On the plus side, Drummond, KCP and Kennard turned into useful players/starters even if not stars. OTOH, he also drafted Mateen Cleaves, Rodney White, Darko Milicic, Stanimal, Ellerson, Greg Monroe and Brandon Knight in the lottery.

The best I can hope for NOLA fans is that, if drafting is mainly luck, Dumars is overdue to hit on a lottery pick

Yeah i think the rooks can really help on offense, which is much needed, but pose some trouble defensively, which is why i see 2 distinct lineups for either offense or for defense. The one with the rooks i posted is a max O lineup
Fears/Poole/Zion/AD/Queen

Max D would probably be:
Jose/Herb/Zion/AD/Looney

a lot of mix and match ability for combo O & D too:
Poole/Herb/Zion/AD/Looney
has both for example

I can't see why playoffs are out of the question unless injuries pile up again.

Mateen Cleaves! Man that name transported me, i'd completely forgotten it haha. I don't even remember Rodney White, i was bout to ask if you didn't mean Royce White, but that was the rockets, right?!

Might sound crazy, but Dumars is a big upgrade for us at GM. I really only think he's firmly middle of the pack, but he brings all the know-how and confidence to be approachable and a straight shooter, and be leaned on by every level of the org. Risk taker and stick to your guns see it thru kinda guy. He's got a fan in me (always has tbh). Doesn't hurt that early 2000s pistons is maybe my favorite team ever.. but nobody ever fell backwards into a chip, especially that team; firmly believe that.
Instilling confidence in this group can take us farther than hoard guarding and self preservation, media spin etc. Mans got balls, yall got to give it to him. I know yall are all thinking "if i was a GM & made that trade, that'd be my ass, so i wouldn't do it" He'd laugh at that; yall can laugh at him if you want, but he knows what that is, what can be seen in other gutless self preservationist GMs.

Hopefully Weaver took most the college scouting off of his plate haha(pretty sure).

Anyway... GO PISTONS and GO THE HELL ON PELLIES

[nolaPELSfan]

Yea not sure who is worse, Dumas or Nico. It would be a real battle of witless with a trade between the 2

Nico, Pelinka, Horst, Brand, Gregory, Perry, Ainge, Dunleavy.. Elisburg (u might want to worry about that)!? Gotta be one of those. Idk how anyone with a straight face could say they'd prefer Pelinka or Nico to Dumars, but im inclined to just let them try and enjoy that.

[Djh7475]

I wouldn’t do it from the Pelicans standpoint even with the picks taken out. Murphy looks like a soon-to-be star 2-way wing, and he’s not even in his prime yet with what is looking like one of the best contracts in the NBA.

Missi is still raw so there’s some solid upside there, but his per 36 numbers from last year of 12.2-11.1 and almost 2 blocks showed his floor is much higher than anticipated pre draft. He should look a lot better with a functional roster and a better playmaking PG.

Even Murray was a fringe-star caliber guard the last few years. His injury has obviously tanked his value to where he’s a negative in a trade, but the Pelicans gave up decent value to get him. I just can’t see them attaching a ton to move a guy they overpaid to get so soon because of injury.

This is a really backwards “all-in” move for the Pelicans. I think it actually makes them worse short term as they lose 3 starters for 1 you realistically expect to miss 25 games. They’d be 1 injury to Zion/Herb/AD (all guys with fairly major injury concerns) away from starting 2 rookies and Poole with the other 2, and they don’t control their pick next year (and would be sending out their entire future in the OP).