5 team trade... does it help all inlvolved, tho?

[nolaPELSfan]

CLE OUT: Jarrett Allen, DeAndre Hunter, '31 CLE 1st
CLE IN: Trey Murphy

(This saves CLE 18.3 mil, leaving them 1.1 mil below 2nd apron)



DET OUT: Ivey, Harris, Stewart
DET IN: White, Simons, Highsmith, Matkovic

(They add 11.6 mil, still have 21.1 mil to 1st apron [13mil tax space] )



NOP OUT: Murphy, Missi, Murray, Alvarado, Matkovic, Hawkins
NOP IN: Allen, Hunter, Stewart, Rozier, '31 CLE 1st

(They add 14.5 mil; have 3.5 mil tax space [5.3 to 1st apron])



BOS OUT: White, Simons,
BOS IN: Ivey, Harris, Alvarado, Hawkins

(Save 9.7 mil. 368k below 1st apron)



MIA OUT: Rozier, Highsmith
MIA IN: Missi, Murray

(They add 1.8 mil. 369k tax space, 3.6 mil 1st apron space)



Pritchard/Jaden Ivey/Brown/Harris/Niang
Alvarado/Scheierman/Hauser/Minott/Tillman
Davidson/Hawkins/Gonzales/Walsh/Queta (Garza too)


Garland/Mitchell/Murphy/Wade/Mobley
Ball/Merrill/Strus/?/Nance
Porter/Tyson/Travers/Tomlin/?
(gonna need a backup big)


Cade/White/Holland/Ausar/Duren
Simons/Robinson/Levert/Matkovic/Reed
Sasser/Lanier/Harper/Highsmith/Klintman


Poole/Herb/Hunter/Zion/Allen
Fears/Reeves/Bey/Queen/Looney
Quinones/Alexander/Peavy/Dickinson


Jakucionis/Herro/Wiggins/Bam/Missi
Dejounte/Powell/Jaquez/Jovic/Ware
Davion/Pelle/Fontecchio/Keshad/Golden



Trade is ready-to-go (no recently signed or traded players)

[nykballa2k4]

The only team I like this for is Miami and even that comes with an asterisk.

First of all Cavs are on the cusp of making the finals without LeBron. This takes them away from that. If they are going to move someone to duck some money, probably the move is to break up Garland into a more affordable player and a guy who can develop. This trade is TERRIBLE for them.

Pistons say no because although they get the best haul, they have no one at PF.

Celtics are getting flat out robbed. I LOVE Hawkins, but his value is not enough to make up for 1/4 of that trade.

Pels obviously get a ton of value, but also this sets them back because they drafted a C, signed a C and obviously have Zion at the 4. So just terrible fit for the current roster.

[hugepatsfan]

Allen for Murphy makes sense straight up value wise. Hunter and a 1st is too much on top.

Terrible value for Boston on the White trade and $368k below the 1st apron doesn’t really do anything. Amy flexibility you gain as a below the 1st apron team doesn’t really exist when you have no room to actually make any of those moves without going back over. And you stay repeater tax rate counter too. Ducking the 1st apron” isn’t really a thing unless you already did something that left you hard capped. There’s not really any reason other than real world money savings of course, but Boston isn’t going to move White for largely a salary dump here.

Holy hell, what a value drain for Miami here. Missi isn’t some generational talent but clearly too good for a Rozier/Highsmith package. You could maybe solve your Boston issue above by sending Missi there, or at least start the conversation.

Terrific value for DET, though I kind of question the positional balance of their ensuing roster to the point I don’t really love it for them despite the good value.

NOP is getting too much in the Allen/Murphy swap with Hunter and the pick, as I said above. They send out some extra stuff here to help make that up somewhat, but none of it is going to CLE. So you have to peel that back and then peel back the extra NOP is sending out which starts causing other teams to drop out.

[BBallFreak]

I don't see Missi starting over Ware and I don't see Miami taking on a dead year of Murray.

Also, you have to add reasons why each team makes the trade.

[brackdan70]

Terrible for Cleveland and Boston.
Value is way way off.

[BK_2020]

Boston trades White and the sole rationale is "save $10 million"?

[gswhoops]

The only team I like this for is Miami and even that comes with an asterisk.

First of all Cavs are on the cusp of making the finals without LeBron. This takes them away from that. If they are going to move someone to duck some money, probably the move is to break up Garland into a more affordable player and a guy who can develop. This trade is TERRIBLE for them.

Pistons say no because although they get the best haul, they have no one at PF.

Celtics are getting flat out robbed. I LOVE Hawkins, but his value is not enough to make up for 1/4 of that trade.

Pels obviously get a ton of value, but also this sets them back because they drafted a C, signed a C and obviously have Zion at the 4. So just terrible fit for the current roster.

There's no way Detroit says no to this. They're committing highway robbery. Just play Ausar or Holland at the 4.

[toooskies]

This deal doesn't totally work for Cleveland because they can't realistically fill out their roster with minimum contracts and stay under the 2nd apron. They'd need to send out Dean Wade in the deal as well.

Second, it's awful for Cleveland. I have the difference between Hunter and Murphy as less than Jarrett Allen. Cleveland probably needs to be receiving a 1st, not giving one.

[nolaPELSfan]

Aight thanks for yall's feedback! I made a new trade with 4 of these teams based on yall's help. I've removed the Cavs because theyre just too tough to work with and seem content with where they're at.
What say ye'z?:


BOS OUT: Derrick White, Sam Hauser, Payton Pritchard
BOS IN: Jaden Ivey, Tobias Harris, Jose Alvarado, '26 '28 & '30 DET 1sts


DET OUT: Ivey, Harris, 3 1sts, 2 2nds('28 CHA/LAC, '29 DET)
DET IN: White, Hauser, Matkovic


MIA OUT: Nikola Jovic, Terry Rozier, Keshad johnson
MIA IN: Yves Missi, Dejounte Murray

NOP OUT: Yves Missi, Dejounte Murray, Jose Alvarado, Karlo Matkovic
NOP IN: Nikola Jovic, Payton Pritchard, Terry Rozier, Keshad Johnson, 2 2nds


Simons/Ivey/Brown/Harris/Niang
Alvarado/Scheierman/Minott/Walsh/Tillman
Davidson/Gonzales/Garza/Queta



Cade/White/Holland/Ausar/Duren
Sasser/Robinson/Levert/Stewart/Reed
Lanier/Harper/Klintman/Matkovic


Fears/Poole/Murphy/Zion/Queen
Pritchard/Herb/Bey/Jovic/Looney
Rozier/Quinones/Alexander/Peavy/Dickinson


Jakucionis/Herro/Wiggins/Bam/Missi
Dejounte/Powell/Fontecchio/Jaquez/Ware
Davion/Pelle/Highsmith/Golden

??

edit: 2nd apron space:
BOS 6.5
DET 40.2
MIA 16.3
NOP 34.3

[BBallFreak]

Aight thanks for yall's feedback! I made a new trade with 4 of these teams based on yall's help. I've removed the Cavs because theyre just too tough to work with and seem content with where they're at.
What say ye'z?:


BOS OUT: Derrick White, Sam Hauser, Payton Pritchard
BOS IN: Jaden Ivey, Tobias Harris, Jose Alvarado, '26 '28 & '30 DET 1sts


DET OUT: Ivey, Harris, 3 1sts, 2 2nds('28 CHA/LAC, '29 DET)
DET IN: White, Hauser, Matkovic


MIA OUT: Nikola Jovic, Terry Rozier, Keshad johnson
MIA IN: Yves Missi, Dejounte Murray

NOP OUT: Yves Missi, Dejounte Murray, Jose Alvarado, Karlo Matkovic
NOP IN: Nikola Jovic, Payton Pritchard, Terry Rozier, Keshad Johnson, 2 2nds


Simons/Ivey/Brown/Harris/Niang
Alvarado/Scheierman/Minott/Walsh/Tillman
Davidson/Gonzales/Garza/Queta



Cade/White/Holland/Ausar/Duren
Sasser/Robinson/Levert/Stewart/Reed
Lanier/Harper/Klintman/Matkovic


Fears/Poole/Murphy/Zion/Queen
Pritchard/Herb/Bey/Jovic/Looney
Rozier/Quinones/Alexander/Peavy/Dickinson


Jakucionis/Herro/Wiggins/Bam/Missi
Dejounte/Powell/Fontecchio/Jaquez/Ware
Davion/Pelle/Highsmith/Golden

??

edit: 2nd apron space:
BOS 6.5
DET 40.2
MIA 16.3
NOP 34.3

Miami didn't want to include Jovic in a trade for Kevin Durant, now you want us to trade him for Murray who we can't even use for a year? This is an easy pass for Miami. You've made it significantly worse value-wise. I don't see why we'd participate. I at least got your reasoning (from Miami's point of view) for the first variation, but the second is just so much worse for us.

[nolaPELSfan]

Miami didn't want to include Jovic in a trade for Kevin Durant, now you want us to trade him for Murray who we can't even use for a year? This is an easy pass for Miami. You've made it significantly worse value-wise. I don't see why we'd participate. I at least got your reasoning (from Miami's point of view) for the first variation, but the second is just so much worse for us.

My bad. 1st one's MIA part is better for yall, true. Wasn't trying to sneak one by yall

But being unwilling to trade Jovic for Durant.. is news to me! (Yall knew this!?)

Idk if you are proud of that or what, but thats got me lmfao

[BBallFreak]

Miami didn't want to include Jovic in a trade for Kevin Durant, now you want us to trade him for Murray who we can't even use for a year? This is an easy pass for Miami. You've made it significantly worse value-wise. I don't see why we'd participate. I at least got your reasoning (from Miami's point of view) for the first variation, but the second is just so much worse for us.

My bad. 1st one's MIA part is better for yall, true. Wasn't trying to sneak one by yall

But being unwilling to trade Jovic for Durant.. is news to me! (Yall knew this!?)

Idk if you are proud of that or what, but thats got me lmfao

Absolutely proud of it. He's 37 and can't lead a team! What's our ceiling with him... Second round? For a year? Nahhh

[Djh7475]

Too far off for the Celtics to modify and make it work. I wouldn’t even do the Simons for Ivey + Harris portion. It adds over $10M in salary, and the only thing Ivey has going for him over Simons is age/lower expiring contract number.

Simons has been consistently capable of 20-5 on poorly built rosters with no floor spacing or secondary scoring. Ivey has had good stretches of basketball, but he’s had just as many stretches of unplayable basketball. Without any years left on his rookie deal, I think this trade assigns him far too much value.

While I do have Ivey being more valuable than Simons, it’s only in the context of him making $16M less next season. Without the Celtics realizing those savings directly, I don’t see the point in swapping the 2. Simons is only 2.5 years older and has thus far proven he’s a better more consistent player.

Considering I wouldn’t do the Harris/Ivey for Simons swap from the Celtics standpoint, adding in White for Hawkins/Alvarado makes it all of Detroit’s future picks and swaps away.