Around the NBA V: Live and Let Die

[xdrta+]

Beal to the Clippers following his buyout on a 2 year 11M deal.

Apparently he gave back almost 14M in the buyout, which enables the Suns to stretch the cap hit for his remaining 97M salary. That's the most the Suns could stretch since a team can only carry 15% of the cap in stretched salary, and they already had some on the books. This not only gets them out of the second Apron, but all the way under the luxury tax line (barely.) A lot of restrictions are unlocked for them.

[DAWill1128]

One Warriors writer proposed letting Kuminga walk on the agreement Beal would come here for more than the Clippers could pay.

Correct me if I am wrong but if the Warriors had let Kuminga walk couldn't they have had Beal and Horford split the NTMLE? Beal got a two year 11 million from the Clippers, we could have gave him half of the NTMLE at two years 14 million. Then gave the rest to Horford.

[statsman]

One Warriors writer proposed letting Kuminga walk on the agreement Beal would come here for more than the Clippers could pay.

Correct me if I am wrong but if the Warriors had let Kuminga walk couldn't they have had Beal and Horford split the NTMLE?

It appears the Celtics are amenable to doing a S&T for Horford into the Warriors' $8.8M TPE. This would hard cap them Warriors at the 1st apron, but if Kuminga were jettisoned for nothing or small salaries in return, staying under the 1st apron would be possible. At that point, the full NTMLE would be available, and they could have given $10M of it this season to Beal, almost double what the Clippers paid. I bet he still would have chosen the Clippers.

[DAWill1128]

One Warriors writer proposed letting Kuminga walk on the agreement Beal would come here for more than the Clippers could pay.

Correct me if I am wrong but if the Warriors had let Kuminga walk couldn't they have had Beal and Horford split the NTMLE?

It appears the Celtics are amenable to doing a S&T for Horford into the Warriors' $8.8M TPE. This would hard cap them Warriors at the 1st apron, but if Kuminga were jettisoned for nothing or small salaries in return, staying under the 1st apron would be possible. At that point, the full NTMLE would be available, and they could have given $10M of it this season to Beal, almost double what the Clippers paid. I bet he still would have chosen the Clippers.

Are the Warriors able to do S&T of Horford into the $8.8m TPE, resign Kuminga, and use the tax payer MLE?

[statsman]

One Warriors writer proposed letting Kuminga walk on the agreement Beal would come here for more than the Clippers could pay.

Correct me if I am wrong but if the Warriors had let Kuminga walk couldn't they have had Beal and Horford split the NTMLE?

It appears the Celtics are amenable to doing a S&T for Horford into the Warriors' $8.8M TPE. This would hard cap them Warriors at the 1st apron, but if Kuminga were jettisoned for nothing or small salaries in return, staying under the 1st apron would be possible. At that point, the full NTMLE would be available, and they could have given $10M of it this season to Beal, almost double what the Clippers paid. I bet he still would have chosen the Clippers.

Are the Warriors able to do S&T of Horford into the $8.8m TPE, resign Kuminga, and use the tax payer MLE?

I don't think so. The use of the TPE from last season hard caps them at the first apron. Any new contract to Kuminga would take them well over the first apron in that situation.

Now, if Kuminga signs the qualifying offer, then I believe they can use the TPMLE along with a S&T of Horford (for no more than, say, $7.5M). This assumes one of the rookies, likely Richard, were signed to a rookie minimum contract. If not, then a S&T of Horford would need to be less than around $7M.

[superunknown]

even beal loathes this organization
what a lousy off-season so far.

[vvoland]

Damn. The full MLE for Dame to spend the first season fully rehabbing. Wow. Well done Portland, I guess you have to meet the salary floor, somehow.

[GS Warriors 1]

He chose familiarity and dollars over a smaller deal with a contender.

[vvoland]

He chose familiarity and dollars over a smaller deal with a contender.

100% understand it from Dame's perspective. Why did Portland do this?

[whatisacenter]

I did not see Dame going back to Portland as a possibility!

[Chris Porter's Hair]

He chose familiarity and dollars over a smaller deal with a contender.

100% understand it from Dame's perspective. Why did Portland do this?

That's what I keep wondering. Trying not to be lazy and fall back to, "Because they don't know what they're doing."

Though perhaps this does shed some good light on the discussion we had earlier when I asked who actually pays when a player gets stretched and then signed by another team. Because if Milwaukee was gonna pay him, and Portland money was just going to Milwaukee to offset it, I can't fathom why they'd do this.

[vvoland]

He chose familiarity and dollars over a smaller deal with a contender.

100% understand it from Dame's perspective. Why did Portland do this?

That's what I keep wondering. Trying not to be lazy and fall back to, "Because they don't know what they're doing."

Though perhaps this does shed some good light on the discussion we had earlier when I asked who actually pays when a player gets stretched and then signed by another team. Because if Milwaukee was gonna pay him, and Portland money was just going to Milwaukee to offset it, I can't fathom why they'd do this.

Only thing I can think of is "salary floor" and "mentor."

Considering he forced his way out, bringing him back for the culture/fans doesn't seem like the appropriate response. At least, not at the NTMLE.

[whatisacenter]

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[Old_Blue]

Marcus Smart. Effing Lakers. The Warriors front office needs to hire a bribery and coercion consultant - Because these two teams clearly aren't playing by the same set of rules. Now watch Horford follow Smart to LA.

[statsman]

The Kuminga stalemate continues to cripple any Warriors offseason move. They have not signed one player this offseason.

[DevinVassell]

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Is anybody really surprised? Kuminga can't leave this team quickly enough. Trade his arse already.

Other Pacific Division additions

CLIPPERS
Bradley Beal
John Collins
Brook Lopez

LAKERS
Deandre Ayton
Jake LaRavia
Marcus Smart

SUNS
Dillon Brooks
Jalen Green
Nigel Hayes-Davis
Mark Williams

WARRIORS
Zero
Zip
Zadda

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[vvoland]

I'd rather do nothing that sign ayton and make Marcus smart my starting guard.

[watch1958]

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Is anybody really surprised? Kuminga can't leave this team quickly enough. Trade his arse already.

Other Pacific Division additions

CLIPPERS
Bradley Beal
John Collins
Brook Lopez

LAKERS
Deandre Ayton
Jake LaRavia
Marcus Smart

SUNS
Dillon Brooks
Jalen Green
Nigel Hayes-Davis
Mark Williams

WARRIORS
Zero
Zip
Zadda

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I’m looking forward to the Podz extension talks next summer.

[wco81]

Podz has respectable stats, 44.9/37.8/70.8 shooting, 5 rebounds, 3.1 assists.

Moses for comparison is 44.9/36.7/77.5, 2.2 rebounds, .9 assists.

However, Podz has averaged 32.2 minutes in 2 seasons and Moody has averaged 16.6 minutes, though 22.3 this past season.

Podz had a rough shooting postseason, his first. Moses has shot better but only 12.2 MPG over 4 postseasons while Podz got starter minutes 32.1 in 12 playoffs games with 11 starts, though that had a lot to do with Curry's injury and Moody was also injured this last postseason.

Podz is a jack of all trades type of guy. I don't think players who can't score consistently can get paid a lot.

He hasn't quite gotten starters minutes, but at 26.7 MPG in 2 seasons, he's averaging 10.4.

Seems like if he's expecting $25 million range he'd have to get over 15 PPG. He had some big games last year, just haven't been able to put together a string of them.

Only 22 so there's time. IIRC, as a prospect it was his offense that was touted ,not defense or being a glue type of player.