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[Godaddycurse]

Tried Jalen, Gaff, Pat… spinning a less realistic one?

Coby and 2026 first* to Dallas
Gafford to Charlotte
Pat and a 2026 first to Chicago

2026 first is better of …Dallas or worst of Mem/Orlando..

How much more is needed? Dallas trading pick 10-14 for pick 22-25ish on top of losing Gafford? Maybe Dallas can put top 4 protection on the swap?

And if that’s close but not quite, does adding a Christie+Powell/Jalen swap add any value?

Lively/Jalen
AD/PJ
Flagg/Naji
“Klay”/Coby
DLo/Exum

With Coby playing more minutes than Klay and Dallas using the Orlando first to dump Klay/Hardy next offseason to keep Coby?

Dont think christie for smith adds any value. Chicago has alot of guards already.

Dallas out: PJ and Gafford
Dallas in: Coby + Smith

Charlotte out: Pat C, worst 2026 1st
Charlotte in: Gafford

Chicago out: Smith, White
Chicago in: PJ

Lively/Jalen
AD/Martin
Flagg/Marshall
Klay/Christie
Coby/Dlo

I think this would be about right? Bulls fans sensitive to roster # will be pleased number of guard and forwards incoming/outgoing is unchanged.. maybe add 2nd(s) somewhere

[jayjaysee]

Tried Jalen, Gaff, Pat… spinning a less realistic one?

Coby and 2026 first* to Dallas
Gafford to Charlotte
Pat and a 2026 first to Chicago

2026 first is better of …Dallas or worst of Mem/Orlando..

How much more is needed? Dallas trading pick 10-14 for pick 22-25ish on top of losing Gafford? Maybe Dallas can put top 4 protection on the swap?

And if that’s close but not quite, does adding a Christie+Powell/Jalen swap add any value?

Lively/Jalen
AD/PJ
Flagg/Naji
“Klay”/Coby
DLo/Exum

With Coby playing more minutes than Klay and Dallas using the Orlando first to dump Klay/Hardy next offseason to keep Coby?

Dont think christie for smith adds any value. Chicago has alot of guards already.

Dallas out: PJ and Gafford
Dallas in: Coby + Smith

Charlotte out: Pat C, worst 2026 1st
Charlotte in: Gafford

Chicago out: Smith, White
Chicago in: PJ

Lively/Jalen
AD/Martin
Flagg/Marshall
Klay/Christie
Coby/Dlo

I think this would be about right? Bulls fans sensitive to roster # will be pleased number of guard and forwards incoming/outgoing is unchanged.. maybe add 2nd(s) somewhere

I think the rumors of PJ being willing to extend hopefully mean he’s kept. Can’t lose many more fan favorites.. only sort of green font* there. But if you trade him, you don’t downgrade Gafford as well imo.

I’d look for other ways to bridge Gaff/Coby or just move on really.

[djFan71]

Klay to BOS
Naji & OMP to SAC for fake 2nd
Simons to DAL

DAL gets more scoring for cheap
SAC picks up a good wing in Naji, flier on OMP.
BOS saves $11M. Closer to ducking tax, but not out from it yet ($9Mish). Saves more in real money tax multiples. Duck the 1st apron.

Might not work for SAC if this puts them in the tax.
BOS could also take OMP (or Powell) if that helped, but would send back Tillman to DAL for roster space/$

[daoneandonly]

Klay to BOS
Naji & OMP to SAC for fake 2nd
Simons to DAL

DAL gets more scoring for cheap
SAC picks up a good wing in Naji, flier on OMP.
BOS saves $11M. Closer to ducking tax, but not out from it yet ($9Mish). Saves more in real money tax multiples. Duck the 1st apron.

Might not work for SAC if this puts them in the tax.
BOS could also take OMP (or Powell) if that helped, but would send back Tillman to DAL for roster space/$

DOnt think Dallas needs SImons with D-Lo on the roster. And scoring for cheap wouldnt apply to Dallas when Klay can score and is cheaper this year. Naji isnt a throwaway for Dallas, he's a good piece they like.

[jayjaysee]

Flipowski to Dallas
Pat, Hardy, 2026 Orl/Mem first, 2032 Dallas 2nd to Utah
Gafford to Charlotte

Dallas trims 17.4 mil (15~ once you sign Nembhard) and takes a chance on a big with a different game. At the deadline, a Powell+2nd for cap space gets Dallas under the tax. (Or maybe has to be Powell/Prosper with 10 day roster shuffle.., just finger math)

Utah gets a future first for their interesting backup center.

Charlotte gets a center.

[daoneandonly]

If Dallas was so worried about the tax and staying under aprons, trading for Anthony Day to Day was as irrational as one could be. Either pay the penalties or trade the guy.

[SkyHook]

Flipowski to Dallas
Pat, Hardy, 2026 Orl/Mem first, 2032 Dallas 2nd to Utah
Gafford to Charlotte

Dallas trims 17.4 mil (15~ once you sign Nembhard) and takes a chance on a big with a different game. At the deadline, a Powell+2nd for cap space gets Dallas under the tax. (Or maybe has to be Powell/Prosper with 10 day roster shuffle.., just finger math)

Utah gets a future first for their interesting backup center.

Charlotte gets a center.

I must be missing something... where is the MEM/ORL first coming from?

[Mavrelous]

Flipowski to Dallas
Pat, Hardy, 2026 Orl/Mem first, 2032 Dallas 2nd to Utah
Gafford to Charlotte

Dallas trims 17.4 mil (15~ once you sign Nembhard) and takes a chance on a big with a different game. At the deadline, a Powell+2nd for cap space gets Dallas under the tax. (Or maybe has to be Powell/Prosper with 10 day roster shuffle.., just finger math)

Utah gets a future first for their interesting backup center.

Charlotte gets a center.

I must be missing something... where is the MEM/ORL first coming from?

CHO, they got it in the Nurkic salary dump deal.

[SkyHook]

Flipowski to Dallas
Pat, Hardy, 2026 Orl/Mem first, 2032 Dallas 2nd to Utah
Gafford to Charlotte

Dallas trims 17.4 mil (15~ once you sign Nembhard) and takes a chance on a big with a different game. At the deadline, a Powell+2nd for cap space gets Dallas under the tax. (Or maybe has to be Powell/Prosper with 10 day roster shuffle.., just finger math)

Utah gets a future first for their interesting backup center.

Charlotte gets a center.

I must be missing something... where is the MEM/ORL first coming from?

CHO, they got it in the Nurkic salary dump deal.

Thanks, it isn't showing up on Spotrac. Looks like it's the least favorable of PHX, WAS 1-8, ORL and MEM. Flip fell due to some weird circumstances last year. I think he's shown that he can be better than most of the players from his rookie class, though it was not a particularly great one. I think I'd rather hold on to him than get a "worst of" pick among four teams, especially since I expect Orlando to be a homecourt team in the east.

[jayjaysee]

I must be missing something... where is the MEM/ORL first coming from?

CHO, they got it in the Nurkic salary dump deal.

Thanks, it isn't showing up on Spotrac. Looks like it's the least favorable of PHX, WAS 1-8, ORL and MEM. Flip fell due to some weird circumstances last year. I think he's shown that he can be better than most of the players from his rookie class, though not a particularly great one. I think I'd rather hold on to him than get a "worst of" pick among four teams, especially since I expect Orlando to be a homecourt team in the east.

Agree about Orlando.

I only wrote Mem/Orl because I don’t think there’s much of a chance at all that Phoenix or Washington finish above Orlando (Memphis likely needs Orlando to have injury issues to finish better than them)..

Phoenix is going to struggle to make play-in unless they make a huge unexpected move imo. Washington is trying to finish with the worst record in the league and is only involved if Phoenix wins the lottery..

It’s the worst of four, but really it’s just the worst of Mem/Orl to me

I do think Flip has some upside and would work well as the fourth big in Dallas (playing a lot more minutes than a typical fourth big), but felt like a late first was enough for a team that likely feels they have their long term starting center.

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[daoneandonly]

I've sadly come to terms that AD can't/won't eb traded, so my new target is Klay. I want this guy out. He whined hsi way out of GS because of money and thinking he's still a superstar starter. And even if it seems minor, he could have been at summer league for his team as a vert leader, but he'd rather party with a C list celebrity nobody above the age of 40 knows.

What's the best deal Dallas could get for him? A 2G with playmaking abilities would be ideal, unless Dallas trades Gafford for that, then a backup big would be the target.

Would BKN add some 2nds to Mann to turn into Klay?
Is there a team that would prefer Klay to Grayson Allen or Isaiah Joe, if Dallas can find a third team to send the other a bigger wing?

[toooskies]

If Dallas was so worried about the tax and staying under aprons, trading for Anthony Day to Day was as irrational as one could be. Either pay the penalties or trade the guy.

To be fair, they didn't know they'd be paying their 1st round pick $13.8m this year.

[Godaddycurse]

I've sadly come to terms that AD can't/won't eb traded, so my new target is Klay. I want this guy out. He whined hsi way out of GS because of money and thinking he's still a superstar starter. And even if it seems minor, he could have been at summer league for his team as a vert leader, but he'd rather party with a C list celebrity nobody above the age of 40 knows.

What's the best deal Dallas could get for him? A 2G with playmaking abilities would be ideal, unless Dallas trades Gafford for that, then a backup big would be the target.

Would Atl add some 2nds to Mann to turn into Klay?
Is there a team that would prefer Klay to Grayson Allen or Isaiah Joe, if Dallas can find a third team to send the other a bigger wing?

Mann is on Brooklyn now. I think Brooklyn should do a Mann for Klay swap

[Mavrelous]

I've sadly come to terms that AD can't/won't eb traded, so my new target is Klay. I want this guy out. He whined hsi way out of GS because of money and thinking he's still a superstar starter. And even if it seems minor, he could have been at summer league for his team as a vert leader, but he'd rather party with a C list celebrity nobody above the age of 40 knows.

What's the best deal Dallas could get for him? A 2G with playmaking abilities would be ideal, unless Dallas trades Gafford for that, then a backup big would be the target.

Would Atl add some 2nds to Mann to turn into Klay?
Is there a team that would prefer Klay to Grayson Allen or Isaiah Joe, if Dallas can find a third team to send the other a bigger wing?

Mann is on Brooklyn now. I think Brooklyn should do a Mann for Klay swap

Mavs shouldn't, they lack shooting as it is...

[daoneandonly]

I've sadly come to terms that AD can't/won't eb traded, so my new target is Klay. I want this guy out. He whined hsi way out of GS because of money and thinking he's still a superstar starter. And even if it seems minor, he could have been at summer league for his team as a vert leader, but he'd rather party with a C list celebrity nobody above the age of 40 knows.

What's the best deal Dallas could get for him? A 2G with playmaking abilities would be ideal, unless Dallas trades Gafford for that, then a backup big would be the target.

Would Atl add some 2nds to Mann to turn into Klay?
Is there a team that would prefer Klay to Grayson Allen or Isaiah Joe, if Dallas can find a third team to send the other a bigger wing?

Mann is on Brooklyn now. I think Brooklyn should do a Mann for Klay swap

Good catch, forgot about that. Do you think they'd add some draft capital with Mann's extra year? Should Dallas do it?

[jayjaysee]

If Dallas was so worried about the tax and staying under aprons, trading for Anthony Day to Day was as irrational as one could be. Either pay the penalties or trade the guy.

To be fair, they didn't know they'd be paying their 1st round pick $13.8m this year.

I don’t think Dallas is worried about it honestly? The second apron, sure. But agree lucking into Flagg makes it worth spending extra money.

Just think once Dallas is out of play-in, ducking the tax will be worth it. So minor moves to start the process makes sense to me, especially if they help the long term outlook.

[daoneandonly]

I've sadly come to terms that AD can't/won't eb traded, so my new target is Klay. I want this guy out. He whined hsi way out of GS because of money and thinking he's still a superstar starter. And even if it seems minor, he could have been at summer league for his team as a vert leader, but he'd rather party with a C list celebrity nobody above the age of 40 knows.

What's the best deal Dallas could get for him? A 2G with playmaking abilities would be ideal, unless Dallas trades Gafford for that, then a backup big would be the target.

Would Atl add some 2nds to Mann to turn into Klay?
Is there a team that would prefer Klay to Grayson Allen or Isaiah Joe, if Dallas can find a third team to send the other a bigger wing?

Mann is on Brooklyn now. I think Brooklyn should do a Mann for Klay swap

Mavs shouldn't, they lack shooting as it is...

Who's a two-guard who can shoot and play make for others who may be available? Obviously, he wouldn't be that great of a defender, as those guys don't grow on trees, but if that guy could be attained by Gafford, then Dallas uses Klay to replace Gaff, they'd be better off.

[Texas Chuck]

If Dallas was so worried about the tax and staying under aprons, trading for Anthony Day to Day was as irrational as one could be. Either pay the penalties or trade the guy.

To be fair, they didn't know they'd be paying their 1st round pick $13.8m this year.

The real issue was the Grimes for Martin trade. It pushed them back into tax after they ducked it in the Luka deal. Just a completely unnecessary starting of the repeater. That and the stupid Hardy extension are the real issues here.

No matter what narratives daone wants to write about guys he's decided just to hate because. Neither Klay nor AD has remotely been an issue in Dallas. AD got hurt which sucked, but well that comes with AD. Klay played reasonably well. He can't defend like he did when he was 25 but anyone expecting that needs to re-calibrate not hate him. He did exactly what he was signed to do -- create spacing because of his ability to shoot 3's accurately at high volume. Teams are still scared to leave him.

Trading him to make the team better? Cool. Trading him to gain some financial flexibility? Cool. Trading him because of narratives we cling to for reasons? Not sure about all that.

[Mavrelous]

Mann is on Brooklyn now. I think Brooklyn should do a Mann for Klay swap

Mavs shouldn't, they lack shooting as it is...

Who's a two-guard who can shoot and play make for others who may be available? Obviously, he wouldn't be that great of a defender, as those guys don't grow on trees, but if that guy could be attained by Gafford, then Dallas uses Klay to replace Gaff, they'd be better off.

I think they are done, their plan is to play very big with only the ball handler as a small guard.