Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[dTox]

According to multiple sources, Ujiri was the “driving force” behind the Brandon Ingram deal at last February’s trade deadline, while others in the room were less convinced about the fit and the timing. To just assume that Webster would pick up where Ujiri left off might be misguided. They could use a fresh perspective after missing the playoffs in four of the past five seasons, but they don’t necessarily need to look outside of the organization for that. The grass isn’t always greener.

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/josh-lewenberg-search-for-new-raptors-president-is-underway-but-best-candidate-could-be-in-house-1.2335939

This makes me feel a little better about Bobby given this context.

[GLF]

Sometimes I believe that the people who spew a whole bunch of negativity on this forum use it as a coping mechanism. Bc majority of them do not actually want the negative thing to happen, which makes sense because they’re suppose to be fans of this team so why would they. But it’s such a cop out, because then they’ll say things like they hope their comment ages like milk or doesn’t actually happen, so it’s almost like a win win for them.

It’s such an easy thing to spew negativity and act like you don’t believe in the team or it’s players almost to like protect yourself. I think they think not believing and then the team or the players being bad will be less of a blow bc they kept telling themselves they didn’t believe from the beginning anyway. But low key in the back of their mind they do believe and do want to be wrong, so if they do end up being wrong they believe well that’s even better bc the good thing happened after I said it wouldn’t and secretly that’s what I truly wanted anyway. I was just saying the negative thing because I’m afraid to believe and then get my emotions or feelings crushed if it doesn’t happen lol.

And then they tell themselves they are the more “realistic” “rational” fan bc they hate on the team in 90% of their posts lol. When to me the positive people are usually the more rational bc majority of them actually acknowledge the flaws the team has. They just don’t focus solely on those because you can still be a good team and have flaws lol. It’s just funny to witness and something I’ve been observing

[NotMyKawhi]

According to multiple sources, Ujiri was the “driving force” behind the Brandon Ingram deal at last February’s trade deadline, while others in the room were less convinced about the fit and the timing. To just assume that Webster would pick up where Ujiri left off might be misguided. They could use a fresh perspective after missing the playoffs in four of the past five seasons, but they don’t necessarily need to look outside of the organization for that. The grass isn’t always greener.

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/josh-lewenberg-search-for-new-raptors-president-is-underway-but-best-candidate-could-be-in-house-1.2335939

This makes me feel a little better about Bobby given this context.

Yall really dont know basketball. BI is probably the only one who actually can play on our team.

There's levels and no one on our team is on his level

All the best players in the world will say the same.

[OakleyDokely]

In a one game situation, I'm taking Ingram over Bane and Bridges. He's just a more impactful player at his peak.

It really comes to health with Ingram. If he's relatively healthy, the trade will be a steal. if he can't stay on the court, the trade will have been a waste of resources. It's hard to get players of Ingram's talent level, so it was worth a shot at the price they paid imo. He's a high pick who actually worked out.

[GLF]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/josh-lewenberg-search-for-new-raptors-president-is-underway-but-best-candidate-could-be-in-house-1.2335939

This makes me feel a little better about Bobby given this context.

Yall really dont know basketball. BI is probably the only one who actually can play on our team.

There's levels and no one on our team is on his level

All the best players in the world will say the same.

You are completely right. But I think the problem is the people who hate the trade are also tankers who wanted us to stay at the bottom of the league for years on end until we found our Wemby lol. So I don’t think they care very much about BI being a good player when healthy and making us better

[Tha Cynic]

So much analysis when this dude hasn’t even played a game with this team. Heck this team was actively keeping players out of the lineup and clearly making losing moves on purpose.

Truth is, we have by clue what this team will look like this season

[Raps in 4]

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/josh-lewenberg-search-for-new-raptors-president-is-underway-but-best-candidate-could-be-in-house-1.2335939

This makes me feel a little better about Bobby given this context.

Yall really dont know basketball. BI is probably the only one who actually can play on our team.

He'll very likely do the least amount of playing of anyone on the team this year, if history is anything to go by.

BI is a good scorer. But he's not elite, and he's a poor defender. He's basically DeRozan with injuries.

Does he make us better? Yeah. Does he make us a contender? No. Is he a part of our long-term plans? No.

[Raps in 4]

In a one game situation, I'm taking Ingram over Bane and Bridges. He's just a more impactful player at his peak.

It really comes to health with Ingram. If he's relatively healthy, the trade will be a steal. if he can't stay on the court, the trade will have been a waste of resources. It's hard to get players of Ingram's talent level, so it was worth a shot at the price they paid imo. He's a high pick who actually worked out.

Statistically, both Bane and Bridges are higher impact players than BI.

BI is a better isolation scorer, but if your team is relying on BI for its scoring, it's not a very good team to begin with.

[OakleyDokely]

In a one game situation, I'm taking Ingram over Bane and Bridges. He's just a more impactful player at his peak.

It really comes to health with Ingram. If he's relatively healthy, the trade will be a steal. if he can't stay on the court, the trade will have been a waste of resources. It's hard to get players of Ingram's talent level, so it was worth a shot at the price they paid imo. He's a high pick who actually worked out.

Statistically, both Bane and Bridges are higher impact players than BI.

BI is a better isolation scorer, but if your team is relying on BI for its scoring, it's not a very good team to begin with.

Bane and Bridges have always been support players, more like #3 type guys. We saw what happened when Bridges was given more offensive responsibility in BRK and Bane was behind both Ja and JJJ in usage last year by a pretty fair margin. Ingram is typically around the 30 usage level, which is one of the most difficult roles in the NBA. If he dropped his usage down to the low 20s like Bane/Bridges, I'd bet he'd be a lot more efficient as well.

[Raps in 4]

In a one game situation, I'm taking Ingram over Bane and Bridges. He's just a more impactful player at his peak.

It really comes to health with Ingram. If he's relatively healthy, the trade will be a steal. if he can't stay on the court, the trade will have been a waste of resources. It's hard to get players of Ingram's talent level, so it was worth a shot at the price they paid imo. He's a high pick who actually worked out.

Statistically, both Bane and Bridges are higher impact players than BI.

BI is a better isolation scorer, but if your team is relying on BI for its scoring, it's not a very good team to begin with.

Bane and Bridges have always been support players, more like #3 type guys. We saw what happened when Bridges was given more offensive responsibility in BRK and Bane was behind both Ja and JJJ in usage last year by a pretty fair margin. Ingram is typically around the 30 usage level, which is one of the most difficult roles in the NBA. If he dropped his usage down to the low 20s like Bane/Bridges, I'd bet he'd be a lot more efficient as well.

BI's game isn't suited for a reduced role. He doesn't defend and he isn't an elite C&S player or cutter.

He's an isolation scorer. But he's not elite in that role. The problem with players like BI, DeRozan, LaVine, etc. is that their games are really only suited to be #1 options, but they aren't nearly good enough for that role on a contending team. Any team led by these players will never be more than "mid".

If Barnes can become our Lowry, we might be able to squeeze a little more juice out of this core (assuming BI can stay healthy), but I'm not confident in Barnes becoming that player anymore.

[OakleyDokely]

Statistically, both Bane and Bridges are higher impact players than BI.

BI is a better isolation scorer, but if your team is relying on BI for its scoring, it's not a very good team to begin with.

Bane and Bridges have always been support players, more like #3 type guys. We saw what happened when Bridges was given more offensive responsibility in BRK and Bane was behind both Ja and JJJ in usage last year by a pretty fair margin. Ingram is typically around the 30 usage level, which is one of the most difficult roles in the NBA. If he dropped his usage down to the low 20s like Bane/Bridges, I'd bet he'd be a lot more efficient as well.

BI's game isn't suited for a reduced role. He doesn't defend and he isn't an elite C&S player or cutter.

He's an isolation scorer. But he's not elite in that role. The problem with players like BI, DeRozan, LaVine, etc. is that their games are really only suited to be #1 options, but they aren't nearly good enough for that role on a contending. Any team led by these players will never be more than "mid".

I don't know about a #1 guy because there are very few elite and efficient championship #1s, but he's much more suited as a #2 than either Bridges or Bane.

[WuTang_CMB]

99% of the league would take BI and what Raps gave up + his re-up deal ... vs Bridges and what he costed the Knicks

[binjumper]

This is the same board that didn't believe Pascal couldn't be a #2 on a contender when he's done it twice.

[Ari_Emanuel]

Just want to remind people that Steph Curry had bad injury luck for the first part of his career before he got stronger and luck turned in his favour later in his career.

Not saying Brandon Ingram is the same level of talent - he’s probably not going to be a top 20 player of all time. However, he’s definitely more talented than he’s shown and the bet is a change of scenery + physical and mental maturity will coalesce into a leap in performance for him, as well as a huge payoff for the raps. The odds are very good for a positive ROI.

[tsherkin]

Can his nick name be Power BI? I can see the commercials.

OMG, insta-ban. You're barred from speaking forever for that...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/power-platform/products/power-bi

Yes, I got the joke; I have used Power BI, I was being facetious

[tsherkin]

He's basically DeRozan with injuries.

But also a considerably better 3pt shooter and a better playmaker and not as historically useless a defender, and actually much more dynamic with a live dribble...

[causal_fan]

I didn't have a problem with the Raptors acquiring BI at the price they did but I do have a problem with the contract they gave BI when only Brooklyn had cap room - same thing with the IQ extension, bidding against themselves - If Bobby Webster is the cap guy and in charge of contracts then I don't want him to be the President of the team.

[OakleyDokely]

He's basically DeRozan with injuries.

But also a considerably better 3pt shooter and a better playmaker and not as historically useless a defender, and actually much more dynamic with a live dribble...

Ingram is also considerably bigger, which helps with shooting over NBA defenders and defending in general.

DD is 6'6 with a 6'9 wingspan, Ingram is 6'8-6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan.

[ash_k]

He's basically DeRozan with injuries.

But also a considerably better 3pt shooter and a better playmaker and not as historically useless a defender, and actually much more dynamic with a live dribble...

and with a 7'3 Wingspan. DeMar would have been a top5 player with that kind of Wingspan.

[Raps in 4]

99% of the league would take BI and what Raps gave up + his re-up deal ... vs Bridges and what he costed the Knicks

The Knicks overpaid, badly. But the majority of teams would rather have Bridges than BI on their roster (just in terms of player fit and impact). He's much easier to plug into a lineup than BI and can be relied on to play a full season.

If BI's going rate was 1x FRP, Bridges should cost 2x FRPs. What the Knicks paid was malpractice.