Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[daoneandonly]

If Dallas was so worried about the tax and staying under aprons, trading for Anthony Day to Day was as irrational as one could be. Either pay the penalties or trade the guy.

To be fair, they didn't know they'd be paying their 1st round pick $13.8m this year.

The real issue was the Grimes for Martin trade. It pushed them back into tax after they ducked it in the Luka deal. Just a completely unnecessary starting of the repeater. That and the stupid Hardy extension are the real issues here.

No matter what narratives daone wants to write about guys he's decided just to hate because. Neither Klay nor AD has remotely been an issue in Dallas. AD got hurt which sucked, but well that comes with AD. Klay played reasonably well. He can't defend like he did when he was 25 but anyone expecting that needs to re-calibrate not hate him. He did exactly what he was signed to do -- create spacing because of his ability to shoot 3's accurately at high volume. Teams are still scared to leave him.

Trading him to make the team better? Cool. Trading him to gain some financial flexibility? Cool. Trading him because of narratives we cling to for reasons? Not sure about all that.

AD and Klay have not been issues because their diva demands have been catered to. AD not having to play center, and Klay starting. You can say its fine and I'm just hating, and no doubt, I am hating, but I think the latter in particular is at the detriment of the team pre- and post-Luka trade. You mentioned this spacing and defenders being scared to leave him alone with Bertans as well, and that proved to be disastrous for the Mavs as that facilitated the Holmes trade which then made Nico have to trade a swap for Grant Williams and then a barely protected first to turn Grant into PJ. And PJ may very well be my fave player in the league now, but come on, there were better avenues to get him.

For AD, an assumption sure, but I tend to believe teams were calling and probably offering a decent return for Gaff. But with AD crying about having to play the 5, Dalals probably thought they couldnt afford to trade Gaff with Lively also being injury prone

[jayjaysee]

I’d really like to be posting Hardy dumps in order to open the second apron space to keep Grimes versus having Martin on the roster behind Flagg, PJ, Naji..

[In-N-Out 247]

Simple trade idea - Anfernee Simons for Jusuf Nurkic (maybe Jazz owes some light draft comp).

Gives the Celtics a center and more importantly gets them well under the 2nd apron.

Not sure of the Simons fit on the Jazz' roster, but at a minimum he's an expiring contract that could be useful in other trades.

[daoneandonly]

I’d really like to be posting Hardy dumps in order to open the second apron space to keep Grimes versus having Martin on the roster behind Flagg, PJ, Naji..

The only "bright side" I look at with the Martin/Grimes swap is perhaps Grimes would have done something that impacted the W/L to the point where we could not have gotten Flagg.

But didnt Grimes and his agent demand a trade after the Luka deal? Not excusing the terrible return, where Dallas also gave up a 2nd because thats what Nico does (liek giving up a 2nd to turn KP into Bertans/Dinwiddie).

[Texas Chuck]

AD plays a ton of center, including in his brief time in Dallas. Him saying he doesn't want to play center full-time /= him crying or being a problem about it.

And this year? Even with Lively and Gafford both healthy there are going to be times AD plays center because its best for the team. And he's going to do it and do it well.

AD doesn't make roster decisions and if Dallas thought trading Lively or Gafford made them better they will. No idea why you've decided that's AD's fault.

Should Grimes have started in front of Klay? Maybe, but his inconsistent role and eventual trade tells you the organization wasn't sold on him. There wasn't another option until Christie. And Christie looked great playing next to Kyrie and maybe he should have started, but it didn't matter because he was playing the most minutes and closing games. But then when Kyrie got hurt, Christie looked lost. Klay was outplaying him.

I'm about play the best guys. Not get upset because one guy is old and no longer in his prime or another guy because he happens to be the guy the team traded Luka for. That's not his fault. He's done nothing but be a great teammate since he got here.

[daoneandonly]

We can respectfully agree to disagree. After watching an exciting Finals and the run those young teams had to get there, it's hard for me to be ra-ra for guys AD and Klay's age and all the mileage they have. They wont be able to keep up with the top teams now. I won't call them old because they're both way younger than I am.

[jayjaysee]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

[daoneandonly]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

I'm assuming you feel Dallas owes because Bogdan's final year is a team option?

I'd do the swap straight up, but not pay for it

[jayjaysee]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

I'm assuming you feel Dallas owes because Bogdan's final year is a team option?

I'd do the swap straight up, but not pay for it

Yeah. It’s minor, but should cost something to get a useful expiring imo. Hard to judge as Bogdan was treated as a negative in the last trade / but then Mann was treated as a bigger negative. So kind of don’t know what to value him as.

Just think Klay could be a better fit with the playmakers they have. And Bogdan would provide some non-DLO creation for Dallas..

[Godaddycurse]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

bogdan is a happy camper coming off the bench for the clippers and played well. Skeptical Klay would do the same willingly. I wouldnt make that swap if i was clippers.

[daoneandonly]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

bogdan is a happy camper coming off the bench for the clippers and played well. Skeptical Klay would do the same willingly. I wouldnt make that swap if i was clippers.

Yeah, why i want him out

[Texas Chuck]

Klay wasn't closing most games for Dallas. Not sure where this narrative has taken hold that unless he starts, plays starter's minutes and closes games he's going to be a problem is coming from.

Did he want to get paid by Golden State after all he did for them? Of course. He sees it as I was a huge piece of a dynasty and I fought hard to come back from two major injuries for you guys.

Him wanting money and being upset they didn't value him the way he thought doesn't automatically equate to him being a bad guy with a reduced role on a different team at this point in his career.

I'm sure he has an elevated opinion of his own abilities, but find me the NBA player who doesn't. They are the exception.

I don't think the Clippers should make that swap, but not because Klay would be a problem. Just no reason to sacrifice the flexibility for what is a lateral move at best.

[jayjaysee]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

bogdan is a happy camper coming off the bench for the clippers and played well. Skeptical Klay would do the same willingly. I wouldnt make that swap if i was clippers.

I don’t think Klay has this demand that Realgm does but I see it a lot. Dallas guaranteed him a starting spot and playing with Luka to get him to sign in Dallas. I don’t think they guaranteed him a starting spot for life.

But the atmosphere the Clips are building (and being in LA) would help a lot imo. And Leonard/Beal should miss enough games that Klay will get to start 30+ anyways if he wants..

[Godaddycurse]

Klay wasn't closing most games for Dallas. Not sure where this narrative has taken hold that unless he starts, plays starter's minutes and closes games he's going to be a problem is coming from.

Did he want to get paid by Golden State after all he did for them? Of course. He sees it as I was a huge piece of a dynasty and I fought hard to come back from two major injuries for you guys.

Him wanting money and being upset they didn't value him the way he thought doesn't automatically equate to him being a bad guy with a reduced role on a different team at this point in his career.

I'm sure he has an elevated opinion of his own abilities, but find me the NBA player who doesn't. They are the exception.

I don't think the Clippers should make that swap, but not because Klay would be a problem. Just no reason to sacrifice the flexibility for what is a lateral move at best.

From last year:

Read on Twitter

i'm skeptical he can get that # of minutes on the clippers

[djFan71]

Another random one?

Bogdan for Klay and “value”

It’s not the Lakers, but it’s close..

LA gets the better shooter. His contract matches up with the two year plan. They have playmakers - and will likely be getting Chris Paul as well to add another playmaker..

Dallas gets someone that can create a bit more offense while still keeping defenses honest.

How much does Dallas owe?

bogdan is a happy camper coming off the bench for the clippers and played well. Skeptical Klay would do the same willingly. I wouldnt make that swap if i was clippers.

I don’t think Klay has this demand that Realgm does but I see it a lot. Dallas guaranteed him a starting spot and playing with Luka to get him to sign in Dallas. I don’t think they guaranteed him a starting spot for life.

But the atmosphere the Clips are building (and being in LA) would help a lot imo. And Leonard/Beal should miss enough games that Klay will get to start 30+ anyways if he wants..

I agree. I think it's easier coming off the bench behind the Clippers established stars. There he's just part of a bunch of really good (old) wing players and there's too many of them to all start, so it's not an issue.

[mg]

Simple trade idea - Anfernee Simons for Jusuf Nurkic (maybe Jazz owes some light draft comp).

Gives the Celtics a center and more importantly gets them well under the 2nd apron.

Not sure of the Simons fit on the Jazz' roster, but at a minimum he's an expiring contract that could be useful in other trades.

I can pretty much guarantee the Jazz would pass even if Simons is "free." They basically already gave away their veteran players so all the shots can go to Lauri (to rebuild value) and all the kids (Ace, Clayton, Brice, Keyonte, Hendricks, Cody, Filipowski, Collier). They have too many mouths to feed to even consider bringing in another guy like Simons who will demand shots.

[daoneandonly]

Klay wasn't closing most games for Dallas. Not sure where this narrative has taken hold that unless he starts, plays starter's minutes and closes games he's going to be a problem is coming from.

Did he want to get paid by Golden State after all he did for them? Of course. He sees it as I was a huge piece of a dynasty and I fought hard to come back from two major injuries for you guys.

Him wanting money and being upset they didn't value him the way he thought doesn't automatically equate to him being a bad guy with a reduced role on a different team at this point in his career.

I'm sure he has an elevated opinion of his own abilities, but find me the NBA player who doesn't. They are the exception.

I don't think the Clippers should make that swap, but not because Klay would be a problem. Just no reason to sacrifice the flexibility for what is a lateral move at best.

From last year:

Read on Twitter

i'm skeptical he can get that # of minutes on the clippers

Yeah, I don't think people are making this up. I remember several reports about him pouting and yelling at Kerr and co. about being benched. I think it was Legler or Jay Will who said Klay came out of an elevator asking him to tell the Warriors to pay him and he was visibly angry/annoyed.

The Warriors paid him a max deal after his injury, they could of used it as an excuse not to or to lower the contract since no one would pay him that, but they did right by him and paid him. And he acted like a petulant, entitled child. And now Dallas who owes him nothing, has to start him? I dont get it. Last season Naji, Grimes, and Christie were better. This year, Christie should be (hopefully) and even Martin may be. But the roster construction is still terrible and part of that is paying Klay 16 mil a year

[babyjax13]

Simple trade idea - Anfernee Simons for Jusuf Nurkic (maybe Jazz owes some light draft comp).

Gives the Celtics a center and more importantly gets them well under the 2nd apron.

Not sure of the Simons fit on the Jazz' roster, but at a minimum he's an expiring contract that could be useful in other trades.

I can pretty much guarantee the Jazz would pass even if Simons is "free." They basically already gave away their veteran players so all the shots can go to Lauri (to rebuild value) and all the kids (Ace, Clayton, Brice, Keyonte, Hendricks, Cody, Filipowski, Collier). They have too many mouths to feed to even consider bringing in another guy like Simons who will demand shots.

Yup, zero interest. If Boston wanted to add some seconds to drop salary, sure, but we are clearly moving as far out of the bad-defense combo guard game as we can. In fact, I suspect Keyonte George is very available.

[djFan71]

How does CHA value Salaun? Rough first year, but I assume they keep him and see how it goes? Would Green / Salaun be considered a neutral package they'd gladly send out?

Of course it's for Simons. CHA pays $6.1M more this year, but then is free and clear of future salary and could try to resign Simons cheaper. But, that only works if they just want off Green and Salaun salary for 26-27.

[jayjaysee]

How does CHA value Salaun? Rough first year, but I assume they keep him and see how it goes? Would Green / Salaun be considered a neutral package they'd gladly send out?

Of course it's for Simons. CHA pays $6.1M more this year, but then is free and clear of future salary and could try to resign Simons cheaper. But, that only works if they just want off Green and Salaun salary for 26-27.

Seems really bad for Boston. Don’t think Salaun’s survived that rookie season. CLT can hold on to him and hope he develops - he’s really young and it’s definitely possible, but he shouldn’t have any value right now besides being a likely expiring.