Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[statsman]

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As soon as Phoenix got under the aprons, you could see this coming

I wonder how the Suns can make this enticing for Kuminga *and* the Warriors ...

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As soon as Phoenix got under the aprons, you could see this coming

I wonder how the Suns can make this enticing for Kuminga *and* the Warriors ...

Ishbia’s ridiculous enough to give JK $30 mil. Could see GS taking Grayson Allen and one of the guys the Suns drafted last year - Dunn or WakeMeUpBeforeYouGoGo or whatever his name is for JK and what ever small salary needed to balance it out

[EvanZ]

Sheeeeeet, at this point just give me Koby Brea lol. Of course the irony would be that they took him at 41.

[AirP.]

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As soon as Phoenix got under the aprons, you could see this coming

I wonder how the Suns can make this enticing for Kuminga *and* the Warriors ...

Ishbia’s ridiculous enough to give JK $30 mil. Could see GS taking Grayson Allen and one of the guys the Suns drafted last year - Dunn or WakeMeUpBeforeYouGoGo or whatever his name is for JK and what ever small salary needed to balance it out

Stein and Fischer are saying Kuminga's camp is looking for at least 25 mil a year. That puts the Warrior's return around 12.5-15 mil (depending on how much negotiate for before the trade happens).

It almost seems like having 3 centers on the roster was a calculated move by the Suns to give them options since they traded for M.Williams (6.2 mil) and drafted Maluach(10th, 6 mil) while already having N.Richards (5 mil) on the roster.

With them adding Green already having R.Dunn, drafting Maluach and possibly adding Kuminga is a quick move to rebuilding on the run with high upside players to go along with Booker and older guys they'll look to flip in Brooks, Allen, O'Neal and Richards.

The question is what can GS get out of that? M.Williams might be a nice risk if you can come up with a reasonable extension starting 2026. I do remember OKC trading for T.Chandler only to rescind the offer after he didn't get medically cleared by OKC and he had a great career after that. If they got a minutes eater at the starting center position, it would make Horford's (if they get him) minutes less keeping him fresher for the end of games.

I'm subscribed to them, so if you are too you can follow the link, it's where I got the at least 25 mil number.

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[vvoland]

Sheeeeeet, at this point just give me Koby Brea lol. Of course the irony would be that they took him at 41.

I'm sure you're joking but I'd much rather have JK at a contract starting in the low 20s, both for the matching salary and the upside. The chances that the 41st pick would contribute more than JK, this season and next, is below 0.

[AirP.]

Sheeeeeet, at this point just give me Koby Brea lol. Of course the irony would be that they took him at 41.

I'm sure you're joking but I'd much rather have JK at a contract starting in the low 20s, both for the matching salary and the upside. The chances that the 41st pick would contribute more than JK, this season and next, is below 0.

I would expect his rights would just be a sweetener in the package coming back. It seems Kuminga wants 25+ mil and I'd expect he'd want more in a place he wasn't going to be featured in like... GS.

[statsman]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

[AirP.]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

Golden State is at 170 mil with 9 players.
Kuminga at 25 mil put them at 195 with 10 players, so 4 more players for 12 million to stay under the 2nd apron.
Trading Kuminga for say half of 30 mil puts them at 185 mil and they could get multiple bodies making it possible to stay under the 1st apron.

It's more than talent for talent; it's also about staying under the specific aprons to possibly add Horford.

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[vvoland]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

Golden State is at 170 mil with 9 players.
Kuminga at 25 mil put them at 195 with 10 players, so 4 more players for 12 million to stay under the 2nd apron.
Trading Kuminga for say half of 30 mil puts them at 185 mil and they could get multiple bodies making it possible to stay under the 1st apron.

It's more than talent for talent; it's also about staying under the specific aprons to possibly add Horford.

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It definitely sounds like Horford is coming here, for 5.4 or more, depending on what happens with JK. I don't think that moving or keeping JK really impacts IF horford signs, just when and for how much.

Plus, this new report that JK and his camp want 25+ is all find an dandy. I also want 25M, the trick is finding someone willing to pay you that. As we've seen, the market is not bending over backwards to do so, for either of us. 23/25/28 for the next 3 years with a PO in year 3 probably gets both sides close enough to what they want to make this pretty straightforward. And that's doing JK a pretty big favor, just to get him to buy in.

[AirP.]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

Golden State is at 170 mil with 9 players.
Kuminga at 25 mil put them at 195 with 10 players, so 4 more players for 12 million to stay under the 2nd apron.
Trading Kuminga for say half of 30 mil puts them at 185 mil and they could get multiple bodies making it possible to stay under the 1st apron.

It's more than talent for talent; it's also about staying under the specific aprons to possibly add Horford.

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It definitely sounds like Horford is coming here, for 5.4 or more, depending on what happens with JK. I don't think that moving or keeping JK really impacts IF horford signs, just when and for how much.

Plus, this new report that JK and his camp want 25+ is all find an dandy. I also want 25M, the trick is finding someone willing to pay you that. As we've seen, the market is not bending over backwards to do so, for either of us. 23/25/28 for the next 3 years with a PO in year 3 probably gets both sides close enough to what they want to make this pretty straightforward. And that's doing JK a pretty big favor, just to get him to buy in.

Horford played for Boston (one of the favorites, not just contenders) the last 2 years for 10 mil and 9.5, moving to a different team across the United States and taking nearly a 50% cut in pay may not be what he's looking for vs retiring. Golden State may have to pay basically what Boston did (or more) to get Horford not to decide to retire, basically make it worth it to him to do another year of basketball. He's made nearly 300 million in his career so he's not hurting for money.

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As soon as Phoenix got under the aprons, you could see this coming

I wonder how the Suns can make this enticing for Kuminga *and* the Warriors ...

Ishbia’s ridiculous enough to give JK $30 mil. Could see GS taking Grayson Allen and one of the guys the Suns drafted last year - Dunn or WakeMeUpBeforeYouGoGo or whatever his name is for JK and what ever small salary needed to balance it out

PHX would be a nice landing spot for JK. They are very weak at the wing position.

[vvoland]

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

Golden State is at 170 mil with 9 players.
Kuminga at 25 mil put them at 195 with 10 players, so 4 more players for 12 million to stay under the 2nd apron.
Trading Kuminga for say half of 30 mil puts them at 185 mil and they could get multiple bodies making it possible to stay under the 1st apron.

It's more than talent for talent; it's also about staying under the specific aprons to possibly add Horford.

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It definitely sounds like Horford is coming here, for 5.4 or more, depending on what happens with JK. I don't think that moving or keeping JK really impacts IF horford signs, just when and for how much.

Plus, this new report that JK and his camp want 25+ is all find an dandy. I also want 25M, the trick is finding someone willing to pay you that. As we've seen, the market is not bending over backwards to do so, for either of us. 23/25/28 for the next 3 years with a PO in year 3 probably gets both sides close enough to what they want to make this pretty straightforward. And that's doing JK a pretty big favor, just to get him to buy in.

Horford played for Boston (one of the favorites, not just contenders) the last 2 years for 10 mil and 9.5, moving to a different team across the United States and taking nearly a 50% cut in pay may not be what he's looking for vs retiring. Golden State may have to pay basically what Boston did (or more) to get Horford not to decide to retire, basically make it worth it to him to do another year of basketball. He's made nearly 300 million in his career so he's not hurting for money.

I don't think that's happening. If horford chooses to retire, I doubt it will be because the dubs can only offer 5.4 and not 9M. I think he would have signed somewhere else if he was looking for one more payday. As it is, playing with Steph, in Kerr's system, in the Bay, for a contender are likely the more appealing reasons. I'm just glad he's not another LA fanboy like half the league. If we're not contenders, he may retire and not think it's possible/worth it to chase a ring with this team. I doubt it'll be a money driven decision.

[statsman]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

I know damn well what the moves mean. Far better than you are giving me credit for. Spare me the condescending attitude.

[vvoland]

I wonder how the Suns can make this enticing for Kuminga *and* the Warriors ...

Ishbia’s ridiculous enough to give JK $30 mil. Could see GS taking Grayson Allen and one of the guys the Suns drafted last year - Dunn or WakeMeUpBeforeYouGoGo or whatever his name is for JK and what ever small salary needed to balance it out

PHX would be a nice landing spot for JK. They are very weak at the wing position.

I think they'd need to stay under the 1st apron after the trade and I can't imagine how they'd do that without dumping more salary to a 3rd team. Maybe the cap experts will correct me here, but just getting under the 1st isn't enough. It's having to stay under it that makes it tough to do something like this unless the team is waaay under the 1st apron (in this case, by 15M or more).

[vvoland]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

I know damn well what the moves mean. Far better than you are giving me credit for. Spare me the condescending attitude.

Between those two statements, I must say, it's the one I bolded that sounds condescending.

[AirP.]

Where is that beating-a-dead-horse GIF at? ...

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

I know damn well what the moves mean. Far better than you are giving me credit for. Spare me the condescending attitude.

Weird to say we're beating a dead horse when the situation isn't resolved yet and there's still new info/rumors coming out.

If GS signs Kuminga and goes into the 1st apron, they're probably not making this year's and possibly next year's team as good as they can be vs trading Kuminga, bringing better fitting but possibly lesser talents back while staying under the 1st apron.

[statsman]

I think you're missing some of the meaning here, this move/no move changes what GS can offer free agents and stay under certain aprons.

I know damn well what the moves mean. Far better than you are giving me credit for. Spare me the condescending attitude.

Between those two statements, I must say, it's the one I bolded that sounds condescending.

Ah, Mr. "I am not going to tell people what to think" while telling people what to think.

[NW]

Ishbia’s ridiculous enough to give JK $30 mil. Could see GS taking Grayson Allen and one of the guys the Suns drafted last year - Dunn or WakeMeUpBeforeYouGoGo or whatever his name is for JK and what ever small salary needed to balance it out

PHX would be a nice landing spot for JK. They are very weak at the wing position.

I think they'd need to stay under the 1st apron after the trade and I can't imagine how they'd do that without dumping more salary to a 3rd team. Maybe the cap experts will correct me here, but just getting under the 1st isn't enough. It's having to stay under it that makes it tough to do something like this unless the team is waaay under the 1st apron (in this case, by 15M or more).

I’d imagine getting Nick Richards and/or Royce O’Neal to Brooklyn would likely be part of any hypothetical trade

[vvoland]

I know damn well what the moves mean. Far better than you are giving me credit for. Spare me the condescending attitude.

Between those two statements, I must say, it's the one I bolded that sounds condescending.

Ah, Mr. "I am not going to tell people what to think" while telling people what to think.

Huh? Just a neutral observer saying your initial response sounds more condescending that AirP's reply to it.

[vvoland]

PHX would be a nice landing spot for JK. They are very weak at the wing position.

I think they'd need to stay under the 1st apron after the trade and I can't imagine how they'd do that without dumping more salary to a 3rd team. Maybe the cap experts will correct me here, but just getting under the 1st isn't enough. It's having to stay under it that makes it tough to do something like this unless the team is waaay under the 1st apron (in this case, by 15M or more).

I’d imagine getting Nick Richards and/or Royce O’Neal to Brooklyn would likely be part of any hypothetical trade

In this scenario, the suns ship out allen and dunn, to us, while sending oneal and richards to BKN, just to sign JK for 30M/yr? I mean, I'm a big JK fan but, that seems like a lot.