Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[ATLTimekeeper]

38:42

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/fan-pregame/inside-the-nhl-offseason-with-logan-thompson-raps-vegas-takeover-with-darko-rajakovic/

Darko asked point blank what they liked about Collin in the draft process and Darko immediately mentions he's around the same age as a lot of their players

[Dalek]

38:42

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Darko asked point blank what they liked about Collin in the draft process and Darko immediately mentions he's around the same age as a lot of their players

I like CMB as a long time NBA player, but one of the worries I had with Toronto and their rebuild, is that they are prone to take some shortcuts. To me CMB was an ideal pick for a playoff team like OKC to add because he can play right away because of the defense, and if you don't need a lot of offense like OKC, a defensive role player works. Toronto obviously felt he was a win-now type of move.

Does CMB have massive upside? I don't think that is the case. Yes, he is an awesome defender, but seeing him as primary scoring option and being on the short side to a C makes it tough. He just doesn't have any outlier positional size and he is a bit heavy so not a great above average athlete.

Now they passed on upside projects like Carter Bryant, Khaman Maluach, Noa Essengue and Joan Beringer. Let's just hope it's because of CMB's talent and not because those guys are a couple years away. Because all of them seem to have some huge upside and are around 18 year's old.

[Mattatron]

We have a history with making strength wings better in our franchise: Kawhi, OG, Scottie, RJ and now CMBomb.

So it makes total sense that we drafted one with a high floor and ceiling when we had the chance.

There is no player archetype I trust this franchise more with (the scrappy, cerebral, grifter, point guard type is a close second)

He's playing injured right now (visibly limping at the end of plays) and has to figure out the league rules and the team schemes.

That is going to take months but not years with this kid because he's really smart.

He's got the type of NBA body and mind to make a 2way impact. His screens, passes and drives will create advantages.

I expect him to start impact winning by the back half of the season as long as he's healthy.

Darko and his staff don't get enough credit for their ability to develop players.

Shead is from my part of Texas so I followed him at Houston and he was uncomfortable shooting college threes his entire college career. Now look at him!

The only way to explain this is the Raptors staff helping not only with technique but with confidence.

Give them a year with CMB and watch what happens! His floor is a high end role player who has a shot to make All-Defensive teams.

If the shot comes around, he could become the best player on this team in his prime. I think seeing Scottie's numbers go backwards as a creator this year left us all with a bad taste in our mouths. CMB has had to carry an offense in college, just like Ja'Kobe did. He has a chance to succeed in a way that Scottie has struggled at. They are different players.

He already won me over with how he's busted his tail on a bad Gamecocks team where he had to do everything.

I believe the shooting will come around but even if it doesn't this kid is going to do all the dirty work to help the team win every night.

His processing is almost as fast as Scottie's so I'm predicting some chemistry there. Seeing CMB impact the game with his screens at his size might inspire Scottie to start screening more too when he sees how much it helps the team (I might be dreaming though).

Toronto is going to love him!

Self-praise stinks

According to most posters, Scottie is stagnating, we made kawhi better ? Lol he came as a mvp candidate, rj ? bigger lolz. And we made already CMB better after 2 summer league games ? Lmao u can't be serious.

[StopitLeo]

38:42

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/fan-pregame/inside-the-nhl-offseason-with-logan-thompson-raps-vegas-takeover-with-darko-rajakovic/

Darko asked point blank what they liked about Collin in the draft process and Darko immediately mentions he's around the same age as a lot of their players

I like CMB as a long time NBA player, but one of the worries I had with Toronto and their rebuild, is that they are prone to take some shortcuts. To me CMB was an ideal pick for a playoff team like OKC to add because he can play right away because of the defense, and if you don't need a lot of offense like OKC, a defensive role player works. Toronto obviously felt he was a win-now type of move.

Does CMB have massive upside? I don't think that is the case. Yes, he is an awesome defender, but seeing him as primary scoring option and being on the short side to a C makes it tough. He just doesn't have any outlier positional size and he is a bit heavy so not a great above average athlete.

Now they passed on upside projects like Carter Bryant, Khaman Maluach, Noa Essengue and Joan Beringer. Let's just hope it's because of CMB's talent and not because those guys are a couple years away. Because all of them seem to have some huge upside and are around 18 year's old.

I didn't think anyone was looking at CMB becoming a primary scoring option. That's setting yourself up for disappointment.

IMO he projects to be an elite defender, efficient finisher around the rim, and an effective facilitator on offense. He will likely improve his shooting but it remains seen whether he will be able to develop a consistent 3 pt shot.

Some people don't love the Draymond comparison but that's CMB's ideal game. Maybe a bit more bully-ball.

[ATLTimekeeper]

38:42

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/fan-pregame/inside-the-nhl-offseason-with-logan-thompson-raps-vegas-takeover-with-darko-rajakovic/

Darko asked point blank what they liked about Collin in the draft process and Darko immediately mentions he's around the same age as a lot of their players

I like CMB as a long time NBA player, but one of the worries I had with Toronto and their rebuild, is that they are prone to take some shortcuts. To me CMB was an ideal pick for a playoff team like OKC to add because he can play right away because of the defense, and if you don't need a lot of offense like OKC, a defensive role player works. Toronto obviously felt he was a win-now type of move.

Does CMB have massive upside? I don't think that is the case. Yes, he is an awesome defender, but seeing him as primary scoring option and being on the short side to a C makes it tough. He just doesn't have any outlier positional size and he is a bit heavy so not a great above average athlete.

Now they passed on upside projects like Carter Bryant, Khaman Maluach, Noa Essengue and Joan Beringer. Let's just hope it's because of CMB's talent and not because those guys are a couple years away. Because all of them seem to have some huge upside and are around 18 year's old.

I know you follow the draft as close as anyone, but I disagree with what you think accounts for massive upside. None of those guys have done anything remotely load bearing on offense at the previous, and Collin already has. He's definitely still in the running for a top 5 player in this draft. He's 5 months older than Carter Bryant. He's not old.

[Grew]

I missed something. Why is he the detonator?

[tsherkin]

Does CMB have massive upside? I don't think that is the case. Yes, he is an awesome defender, but seeing him as primary scoring option and being on the short side to a C makes it tough. He just doesn't have any outlier positional size and he is a bit heavy so not a great above average athlete.

I don't think anyone sane is looking to him as a primary scoring option, though, so that feels somewhat immaterial. His upside is DPOY, in a high-end case, and that's nothing to sneeze at. Also, his weight is an advantage, not a weakness. And his quickness has certainly looked fine so far.

His shot looks better than Scottie's. Just needs tens of thousands of reps.

Scottie can be our Draymond. CMB will be our Kawhi.

This feels like setting up for failure. Kawhi's a generational player when he's healthy; I don't think anyone sees that sort of upside on O from CMB. To be fair, it wasn't expected of Kawhi either, but he was also a greater athlete. And we'll have to see if CMB exhibits the same kind of "holy crap, he's learning how to shoot so fast!" type of thing KL was doing over his first few seasons.

[ATLTimekeeper]

fwiw, if you look back at the history of 18 year olds in the draft they rarely blow up past the #10 slot. Recently (last 10 drafts) I think only Booker and Sengun. The guys that hit tend to already be top prospects and are taken at the top.

[tsherkin]

fwiw, if you look back at the history of 18 year olds in the draft they rarely blow up past the #10 slot. Recently (last 10 drafts) I think only Booker and Sengun. The guys that hit tend to already be top prospects and are taken at the top.

Mmmm. Giannis hit the league at 19. Kawhi was 20, though followed a bit of an atypical arc, to be sure.

It's possible, though I think no one has really been projecting that CMB is going to be some kind of bonkers superstar. There are some nice traits in there which suggest some developmental potential on O, with high defensive upside and all that, but I don't think anyone is really looking at him going "that dude, that's our future championship centerpiece." Not unless there's some serious Kool-Aid involved.

[raincityraptors]

We have a history with making strength wings better in our franchise: Kawhi, OG, Scottie, RJ and now CMBomb.

So it makes total sense that we drafted one with a high floor and ceiling when we had the chance.

There is no player archetype I trust this franchise more with (the scrappy, cerebral, grifter, point guard type is a close second)

He's playing injured right now (visibly limping at the end of plays) and has to figure out the league rules and the team schemes.

That is going to take months but not years with this kid because he's really smart.

He's got the type of NBA body and mind to make a 2way impact. His screens, passes and drives will create advantages.

I expect him to start impact winning by the back half of the season as long as he's healthy.

Darko and his staff don't get enough credit for their ability to develop players.

Shead is from my part of Texas so I followed him at Houston and he was uncomfortable shooting college threes his entire college career. Now look at him!

The only way to explain this is the Raptors staff helping not only with technique but with confidence.

Give them a year with CMB and watch what happens! His floor is a high end role player who has a shot to make All-Defensive teams.

If the shot comes around, he could become the best player on this team in his prime. I think seeing Scottie's numbers go backwards as a creator this year left us all with a bad taste in our mouths. CMB has had to carry an offense in college, just like Ja'Kobe did. He has a chance to succeed in a way that Scottie has struggled at. They are different players.

He already won me over with how he's busted his tail on a bad Gamecocks team where he had to do everything.

I believe the shooting will come around but even if it doesn't this kid is going to do all the dirty work to help the team win every night.

His processing is almost as fast as Scottie's so I'm predicting some chemistry there. Seeing CMB impact the game with his screens at his size might inspire Scottie to start screening more too when he sees how much it helps the team (I might be dreaming though).

Toronto is going to love him!

Self-praise stinks

According to most posters, Scottie is stagnating, we made kawhi better ? Lol he came as a mvp candidate, rj ? bigger lolz. And we made already CMB better after 2 summer league games ? Lmao u can't be serious.

It's easy to interpret something in the least intelligent way possible to make your argument look strong. Kudos, you have a talent for that.

Everyone I mentioned has performed better in our program than they were expected to. Scottie has gone from 0 level scorer to an All-Star reserve.

Kawhi thrived in our program and took strides as a playmaker. Even MVP candidates improve bud, it's how they stay MVP candidates.

RJ has improved his efficiency and ballhandling and all 3 of those wings have become better playmakers.

You took no issue to me mentioning me OG and when it came to CMB, I repeatedly referenced giving this coaching staff time with him.

I mentioned time periods like the back half of this season and his prime.

He's playing injured and has barely practiced with the team. I don't think anyone here is foolish enough to think he's made strides already.

But that doesn't stop some of us from making a post about silly assumptions like that to make themselves feel smart.

Good job bud!

(Maybe read the full post next time and take a pause to think before you hit submit)

[tsherkin]

It's easy to interpret something in the least intelligent way possible to make your argument look strong. Kudos, you have a talent for that.

Be careful with comments like this, rain. Better to just address the content than to devolve into that level of sniping.

Everyone I mentioned has performed better in our program than they were expected to. Scottie has gone from 0 level scorer to an All-Star reserve.

He's still among the worst scorers at volume in the league right now, so that probably wasn't the way to credit him. Better to speak on the defense, rebounding and passing which were all markers for him prior to the draft, and represent his actual skills in the league today.

Kawhi thrived in our program and took strides as a playmaker. Even MVP candidates improve bud, it's how they stay MVP candidates.

He did nothing he hadn't already done for the Spurs. His usage varied over the years based on roster and tactical choices for the team.

RJ has improved his efficiency and ballhandling and all 3 of those wings have become better playmakers.

RJ improved his efficiency in his first season here when he was doing almost nothing but scoring at the rim. His shooting hasn't improved outside of 3 feet and he's actually regressed at the line, so this is another one that's a little dicey. Definitely looks like he's putting in more effort on D, though, and his passing has looked better as well, which is nice. But scoring-wise? Mmm, definitely not the argument you want to make after a guy logged a 54.7% TS season in 2025.

Skepticism has its place. Optimism has its place as well. What has no place is sniping at other posters, okay?

[ATLTimekeeper]

fwiw, if you look back at the history of 18 year olds in the draft they rarely blow up past the #10 slot. Recently (last 10 drafts) I think only Booker and Sengun. The guys that hit tend to already be top prospects and are taken at the top.

Mmmm. Giannis hit the league at 19. Kawhi was 20, though followed a bit of an atypical arc, to be sure.

It's possible, though I think no one has really been projecting that CMB is going to be some kind of bonkers superstar. There are some nice traits in there which suggest some developmental potential on O, with high defensive upside and all that, but I don't think anyone is really looking at him going "that dude, that's our future championship centerpiece." Not unless there's some serious Kool-Aid involved.

Yes, I went to past 10 drafts but Giannis was 18 and a half when he was drafted. I kept going and the next best 18 year old taken after #10 was Serge Ibaka right up until the high school era, where there were more of them.

[WuTang_OG]

I missed something. Why is he the detonator?

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[tsherkin]

Yes, I went to past 10 drafts but Giannis was 18 and a half when he was drafted. I kept going and the next best 18 year old taken after #10 was Serge Ibaka right up until the high school era, where there were more of them.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to, like, pull a "gotcha" or anything. It's still a bit variable. I think it's actually more variable than ever before because we don't get those multi-year college careers as much as we used to in order to evaluate prospects and their development, is all. But yeah, the pure HS stuff was challenging because there's so little value to the competition they're facing, and that improves only so much at the college level. Like, the NBA from top to bottom is mostly guys who smoked college, even the bench scraps, you know? So it's just a really challenging thing to forecast talent unless it's staggeringly undeniable.

[nestea]

Did Walter get this much love last year during summer league

[Yallbecrazy]

Darko asked point blank what they liked about Collin in the draft process and Darko immediately mentions he's around the same age as a lot of their players

I like CMB as a long time NBA player, but one of the worries I had with Toronto and their rebuild, is that they are prone to take some shortcuts. To me CMB was an ideal pick for a playoff team like OKC to add because he can play right away because of the defense, and if you don't need a lot of offense like OKC, a defensive role player works. Toronto obviously felt he was a win-now type of move.

Does CMB have massive upside? I don't think that is the case. Yes, he is an awesome defender, but seeing him as primary scoring option and being on the short side to a C makes it tough. He just doesn't have any outlier positional size and he is a bit heavy so not a great above average athlete.

Now they passed on upside projects like Carter Bryant, Khaman Maluach, Noa Essengue and Joan Beringer. Let's just hope it's because of CMB's talent and not because those guys are a couple years away. Because all of them seem to have some huge upside and are around 18 year's old.

I know you follow the draft as close as anyone, but I disagree with what you think accounts for massive upside. None of those guys have done anything remotely load bearing on offense at the previous, and Collin already has. He's definitely still in the running for a top 5 player in this draft. He's 5 months older than Carter Bryant. He's not old.

I just don't understand this line of thinking at all, what has Maluach, Essengue, Bryant, or Beringer shown as massive upside? None of them project as a primary or even secondary scorer. None of them have ever been primary scorers, Bryant has only shown standstill open shooting on low volume. Maluach has shown only rim finishing, same with Beringer. Essengue has only shown slashing and finishing at the rim off other's creation. CMB has shown to be the primary offensive initiator and did really well at it in college. He has shown outlier rim finishing on high usage.

Are we really valuing the guys who are flat out worse at things higher because they have more room to improve? They're going to have to improve a lot just to reach the current level of CMB.

[Grew]

I missed something. Why is he the detonator?

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Lmao, ok I like it!

[tsherkin]

I just don't understand this line of thinking at all, what has Maluach, Essengue, Bryant, or Beringer shown as massive upside? None of them project as a primary or even secondary scorer. None of them have ever been primary scorers, Bryant has only shown standstill open shooting on low volume. Maluach has shown only rim finishing, same with Beringer. Essengue has only shown slashing and finishing at the rim off other's creation. CMB has shown to be the primary offensive initiator and did really well at it in college. He has shown outlier rim finishing on high usage.

Are we really valuing the guys who are flat out worse at things higher because they have more room to improve? They're going to have to improve a lot just to reach the current level of CMB.

I remember watching CB's SL debut and being underwhelmed, but he seemed to look very different against the Jazz. Early jitters shaken off, perhaps? He looked like he was moving totally different between the two games.

[TheDunc]

One thing i didnt take into much account was the difference an nba conditioned body will do for him. Obviously hes not 18 years old so i dont expect a huge difference but i still expect an improvement

[mtcan]

I missed something. Why is he the detonator?

He sees things unfolding and blows up opposing offensive schemes.