Celtics 2025-26, Off-Season/Training Camp Thread

Hal14 · Post #1641 » by **Hal14** » Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:10 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Get Simons out of here! Plenty of O from JB, DW, PP, SH and the lesser guys.

We really just need D from the center to augment that lineup.

A guy that plays only Rob's old role will be fine, though Garza has a different profile. JT would be thrilled to have a Robesque 5 to play with when he gets back.

Not true.

Game 6 of the Knicks series is proof of that.

When the 3s are falling, the Cs have a shot at winning, like in Game 5 against the Knicks.

But when the 3s are not falling, Game 6 of the Knicks series happens.

The Celtics need a dynamic scoring guard who can drive to the basket or get in the lane for floaters or jumpers.

Sam and PP are not enough to offset JT's 27 points per game.

Agreed. Simons can pass too:

Read on Twitter

cloverleaf · Post #1642 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:12 pm

Hal, Simons is not the answer!

Celts17Pride · Post #1643 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:13 pm

cloverleaf wrote:Hal, Simons is not the answer!

If he is, then you are asking the wrong question.

Hal14 · Post #1644 » by **Hal14** » Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:39 pm

cloverleaf wrote:Hal, Simons is not the answer!

I didn't say he was?

I simply agreed with what another poster said, about the potential value Simons could bring to our team in terms of giving us another scoring weapon, someone who can shoot/drive and also added that he's also a good passer, providing some film and stats to back it up.

cloverleaf · Post #1645 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Jul 17, 2025 8:59 pm

Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Hal, Simons is not the answer!

I didn't say he was?

I simply agreed with what another poster said, about the potential value Simons could bring to our team in terms of giving us another scoring weapons, someone who can shoot/drive and also added that he's also a good passer, providing some film and stats to back it up.

But the D, the culture! They have to be accounted for as well.

bucknersrevenge · Post #1646 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:56 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Hal, Simons is not the answer!

I didn't say he was?

I simply agreed with what another poster said, about the potential value Simons could bring to our team in terms of giving us another scoring weapons, someone who can shoot/drive and also added that he's also a good passer, providing some film and stats to back it up.

But the D, the culture! They have to be accounted for as well.

Simons has the physical traits to be a good defender. He's 6'3 with a 6'9 wingspan I believe. Super athletic. He doesn't give consistent effort on that end though. The "hope" is that that changes here. He has said that he wants to win and he wants to play in important games. Joe is known as a players coach who is a stickler for defense. Simons will have to earn it but hopefully he sees the opportunity he has not just this year but next season as well if we were to keep him.

Obviously we can offer him more than most teams. Him, White, and the Jay's would make a solid nucleus for a starting group if he was to stay. The culture and the consistency we have here from top to bottom actually works well in our favor here for getting him to fall in line. We could still move him if a quality big comes up who fits what we need but in absence of that, he's not a bad option.

Post #1647 » by **ParticleMan** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:30 am

all anfernee has to do is be an average defender and he brings a lot of value. we've seen guys do that here like hauser and PP. simons has less physical limitations than those guys. it's a matter of desire, coaching, and reps.

i'm still thinking he gets traded but if he sticks it's possible he could eventually be a very good 3rd scoring option behind the jays.

Larry_Russell · Post #1648 » by **Larry_Russell** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 9:49 am

Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Get Simons out of here! Plenty of O from JB, DW, PP, SH and the lesser guys.

We really just need D from the center to augment that lineup.

A guy that plays only Rob's old role will be fine, though Garza has a different profile. JT would be thrilled to have a Robesque 5 to play with when he gets back.

Not true.

Game 6 of the Knicks series is proof of that.

When the 3s are falling, the Cs have a shot at winning, like in Game 5 against the Knicks.

But when the 3s are not falling, Game 6 of the Knicks series happens.

The Celtics need a dynamic scoring guard who can drive to the basket or get in the lane for floaters or jumpers.

Sam and PP are not enough to offset JT's 27 points per game.

Agreed. Simons can pass too:

Read on Twitter

Stop bringing that up

He cant and thatbwas an outlier season.

22 the season before and 23 last season. A career 19.5

Hal14 · Post #1649 » by **Hal14** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:26 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Not true.

Game 6 of the Knicks series is proof of that.

When the 3s are falling, the Cs have a shot at winning, like in Game 5 against the Knicks.

But when the 3s are not falling, Game 6 of the Knicks series happens.

The Celtics need a dynamic scoring guard who can drive to the basket or get in the lane for floaters or jumpers.

Sam and PP are not enough to offset JT's 27 points per game.

Agreed. Simons can pass too:

Read on Twitter

Stop bringing that up

He cant and thatbwas an outlier season.

22 the season before and 23 last season. A career 19.5

Bottom line, he's capable of putting 27.6% assist for an entire season. Something no one else on our roster has ever done.

And his assist % would have been higher in every season of his career, but he was on bad teams with poor shooting and poor spacing. You put him on a team with the Jays, Pritchard and White? It's possible he'll have a new career high assist % here in Boston.

The passing looks good on film too..

And in that game vs the Pacers, he defense didn't look too bad either.

Larry_Russell · Post #1650 » by **Larry_Russell** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 3:57 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Agreed. Simons can pass too:

Read on Twitter

Stop bringing that up

He cant and thatbwas an outlier season.

22 the season before and 23 last season. A career 19.5

Bottom line, he's capable of putting 27.6% assist for an entire season. Something no one else on our roster has ever done.

And his assist % would have been higher in every season of his career, but he was on bad teams with poor shooting and poor spacing. You put him on a team with the Jays, Pritchard and White? It's possible he'll have a new career high assist % here in Boston.

The passing looks good on film too..

And in that game vs the Pacers, he defense didn't look too bad either.

1 season out of 7 isn't an outlier. and causation/correlation isnt a thing either. JT has never done 27% for a season...durrr....

That ONE season where Simons did it, it was a 46 game sample size, it was on a team with Scott and Brogdon as the only other capable ball handlers...so his numbers were inflated out of neccessity. BRogdon played 39 games and had a higher AST% and Scoot had a higher AST%

No one else had above a 15

On the Celtics we had 5 regular rotation guys over 15 AST% and 3 more regular rotation guys over 10.

get it???

If Simons is in change of playmaking on this team then the team is ****

bucknersrevenge · Post #1651 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:16 pm

Not sure anyone is suggesting that primary PG duties be turned over to Anfernee Simons here. Not sure that would even fly for a Joe-Mazzulla coached team anyway. Simons is, however in fact the only guard on this roster capable of breaking down a defense on his own to create defensive rotation. That is a valuable skill here no matter how you slice it and no matter who gets the assist. I still worry about "too many chefs in the kitchen" although next year that shouldn't be much of an issue. I expect Simons to be a 20ppg scorer if he stays.

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #1652 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:52 pm

By the end of the upcoming season, people will hope that Queta is waived...

cloverleaf · Post #1653 » by **cloverleaf** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:58 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:By the end of the upcoming season, people will hope that Queta is waived...

I guess just as long as they don't want Garza gone too...

Post #1654 » by **darrendaye** » Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:15 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:Not sure anyone is suggesting that primary PG duties be turned over to Anfernee Simons here. Not sure that would even fly for a Joe-Mazzulla coached team anyway. Simons is, however in fact the only guard on this roster capable of breaking down a defense on his own to create defensive rotation. That is a valuable skill here no matter how you slice it and no matter who gets the assist. I still worry about "too many chefs in the kitchen" although next year that shouldn't be much of an issue. I expect Simons to be a 20ppg scorer if he stays.

Out of curiosity, are you considering Brown guard eligible with that comment?

On Simons, it really comes down to 2026. This year he's very likely to have his best season. But even if you see a world you can properly feed your core guys with Simons (JT/JB/PP/DW....perhaps Scheierman), the team is BEST served acquiring a star level big man by 2026 (trade/draft/otherwise). Defensively you can get pretty far with applying physical and mental effort, but I don't know if he ever gets to be not a targeting problem. Again, things can change, PP could get traded, and one swaps with another in that regard.

If they trade him, the team will lose more games than they would have with him this year. There's a benefit in that if you want to put the draft in play. I won't freak if they keep him because this can go down a number of ways that could result in that big man.

Fierce1 · Post #1655 » by **Fierce1** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:44 am

Perfect season to try to win the NBA Cup in Vegas.

winsomme2 · Post #1656 » by **winsomme2** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:51 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:Not sure anyone is suggesting that primary PG duties be turned over to Anfernee Simons here. Not sure that would even fly for a Joe-Mazzulla coached team anyway. Simons is, however in fact the only guard on this roster capable of breaking down a defense on his own to create defensive rotation. That is a valuable skill here no matter how you slice it and no matter who gets the assist. I still worry about "too many chefs in the kitchen" although next year that shouldn't be much of an issue. I expect Simons to be a 20ppg scorer if he stays.

Actually now that I think about it a little more, one way to actually make that trade look like a huge win would be to show that Simons is capable of being a primary ball handler and put up 20+ PPG and 7 APG.

I'm not saying he's capable but it might be worth finding out.

brackdan70 · Post #1657 » by **brackdan70** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:51 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:By the end of the upcoming season, people will hope that Queta is waived...

Why do you say that?

Post #1658 » by **darrendaye** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:52 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:By the end of the upcoming season, people will hope that Queta is waived...

Why do you say that?

I'm hoping Simons gets traded, in part, so Neemias can get a healthy dose of 3pt shots up there this year. :wink:

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #1659 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:38 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:By the end of the upcoming season, people will hope that Queta is waived...

Why do you say that?

He's a 3rd or 4th string center, so starting him is a recipe for disaster...

brackdan70 · Post #1660 » by **brackdan70** » Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:49 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:By the end of the upcoming season, people will hope that Queta is waived...

Why do you say that?

He's a 3rd or 4th string center, so starting him is a recipe for disaster...

Idk we will see. He has been pretty effective as a starter and when playing a rotation role.