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Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread

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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#621 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:32 pm

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fatlever wrote:right or wrong - they believe melo and melo are 1a and 1b scoring options. adding another similar 1c score first wing was obviously not their preference. outside of vj, i dont think there was a good fit. a do-it-all pf would have been great. oh well...so they choose the konnector pieces.
now, we can debate - should they give melo another chance. i'm 50/50. but if you draft ace/tre/fears - you probably need to blow it up. they weren't ready to bail on melo. so they are gonna ride their 200+ mil franchise guy another season. worst case, 2026 draft is stacked. you ditch melo, go for a better 1a type and start over. this is melo's last chance, imo.


And I fall squarely into the "wrong" camp where they have basically forced themselves into a corner where their only option is to hope Melo turns it around and becomes that star or tear it down.

Let's just use your scenario and say Melo can't stay healthy, never transcends, they hang around 20-25 wins again and decide to blow it up.

My response becomes: why the **** are you drafting connectors then?

Wouldn't it make more sense to keep swinging for star potential? Isn't that the entire point of tanking and bottoming out and the lottery? So what if you don't find a star. If they do draft a star, at worst it's another player to take pressure off Melo and potentially supplant him as the centerpiece in the event he gets traded or can't be the main guy. At worst you're doing your rebuild again anyway. No team tanks with the intention of finding a connector.


Let's take the other scenario and say Melo stays healthy and continues playing like his averages have been the last few years.

Do you think Melo/Miller/Kon is going to be a team worth building? I certainly don't. That's a 40-45 win team at best. So then my response is the same: Why the **** are you drafting connectors like your roster has its core when you're either hurtling towards the mediocrity they preach against or a scenario where they trade Melo and start yet another rebuild.

In either scenario, they've reduced their options to 1. Hope Melo stays healthy and transcends or 2. Admit defeat and trade away their centerpieces.


i think the clear answer is... they didnt like ace and i think that's a reasonable conclusion given them many question marks about him predraft. might be wrong, but was defensible at the time to pass on ace.
so it was tre or kon
again... trading up to 3 was my choice. or trading with wiz and taking tre/kon.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#622 » by SWedd523 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:36 pm

I agree. My guess is they took the safest route possible after getting PTSD whiplash from the Tiddy draft.

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Post#623 » by Braggins » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:53 pm

He wouldn't have been my pick even if I wanted a connector piece. I would rather have taken Egor Demin. Hes younger, taller/longer, more athletic, more defensive potential, better passer, and also is smart with a high character and high feel/IQ.

There were several players I would have taken over him. I could see reasons to remove several of them from a Hornets specific big board, but theres still no way I could have gotten to him as the pick.

listed in the order they were draft

Ace Bailey: Id rather draft him than Kon, but would be fine with removing him for character/maturity reasons.
Tre Johnson: I honestly wasn't a fan, but would take him over Kon.
Jeremiah Fears: I would rather take him than Kon, but I would be ok with removing him for fit and need for long term development
Egor Demin: I would take him over Kon.
Kasparas Jakucionis: He went 20th and has struggled with his shot in summer league, so he was maybe never in contention at #4.

Even if I was being as picky and aggressive as possible as removing players from the Hornets board I would have had Johnson or Demin as my #1 guy.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#624 » by Bassman » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:15 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I agree. My guess is they took the safest route possible after getting PTSD whiplash from the Tiddy draft.

The NBA does not reward cowardice.


SWeed523…I think this is a real possibility. Take this combined with the earlier points you made about drafting a connector player verses one with star potential. These are ultimately my concerns for this draft. I really like Kon, actually love the character and baller desire he brings to the game. He will eventually be a good player for us…just not a great player IMO. Still have grave concerns about his defense on guards at the next level. I wanted Tre or trade back, but am pulling for this to somehow surprise and succeed.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#625 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:34 pm

Until proven otherwise, I don't See how anyone can say they would be scared of his defense and then say the alternative was to draft tre.
I like Tre but I'm not gonna pretend like his defense isn't scarier to me.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#626 » by SWedd523 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:41 pm

fatlever wrote:Until proven otherwise, I don't See how anyone can say they would be scared of his defense and then say the alternative was to draft tre.
I like Tre but I'm not gonna pretend like his defense isn't scarier to me.

I think it's easier to teach defensive effort and fundamentals than it is to teach someone to be a better athlete, so there's that
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#627 » by LofJ » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:01 pm

Tre weighs 190 pounds (30 less than Kon). He's going to get abused defensively for the next few years regardless of how much he tries. He was also a putrid rebounder in college. His athletic advantage over Kon is overstated. I'm not losing any sleep that we passed on Tre for Kon.

I am pissed about what Jeff did to the frontcourt though. We can't be a serious team starting Miles and Diabate.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#628 » by vexco » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:17 pm

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the difference in wingspan makes one look like a stumpy guard that is gonna get half his layups sent to the 5th row and a SF that can masquerade as a PF


If you want a role/playstyle comparison, he's slightly larger than Desmond Bane was at the same age.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/desmond-bane

Measured 6’4 without shoes, 6’5 with shoes, 219 lbs, with a 6’4 wingspan and 8’4 standing reach at the June 2017 USA U19 tryouts … All Big 12 Second Team 2018-2019. All Big 12 First Team (2019-20).


yeah, i'd have a different opinion of Kon Knueppel if we drafted him where Desmond Bane was drafted, which is why you dont see me complaining about McNeeley even though I bagged on him as a potential Hornet prospect the same way all last season. its not a good archetype, and even Bane is laterally zippy compared to Kon


Would you have been upset taking Bane at 4?
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#629 » by Braggins » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:29 pm

Braggins wrote:I don't think he has a realistic chance of being a top 5 player from the class (I'm skeptical top 10 is in the cards) and was a pretty big reach. Does anyone, even the people who wanted to draft him, think he actually has a shot of being a top 5 player from this class? I don't want to speak for other people, but I don't get the sense that anyone really views him that way.

A lot of people liked/loved the pick. Is there a single person willing to say that they feel at least somewhat strongly that he is going to be a top 5 player from this class?
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#630 » by vexco » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:31 pm

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Braggins wrote:Does anyone, even the people who wanted to draft him, think he actually has a shot of being a top 5 player from this class? I don't want to speak for other people, but I don't get the sense that anyone really views him that way.

A lot of people liked/loved the pick. Is there a single person willing to say that they feel at least somewhat strongly that he is going to be a top 5 player from this class?


I'm not confident saying anyone other than Flagg will be a top 5 player from this draft. We just haven't seen enough. That includes VJ, who's the player i wanted to draft.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#631 » by Braggins » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:32 pm

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Braggins wrote:
Braggins wrote:Does anyone, even the people who wanted to draft him, think he actually has a shot of being a top 5 player from this class? I don't want to speak for other people, but I don't get the sense that anyone really views him that way.

A lot of people liked/loved the pick. Is there a single person willing to say that they feel at least somewhat strongly that he is going to be a top 5 player from this class?


I'm not confident saying anyone other than Flagg will be a top 5 player from this draft. We just haven't seen enough. That includes VJ, who's the player i wanted to draft.

Do you think he has a realistic chance of being a top 5 player from this class?
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#632 » by vexco » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:39 pm

Braggins wrote:
vexco wrote:
Braggins wrote:A lot of people liked/loved the pick. Is there a single person willing to say that they feel at least somewhat strongly that he is going to be a top 5 player from this class?


I'm not confident saying anyone other than Flagg will be a top 5 player from this draft. We just haven't seen enough. That includes VJ, who's the player i wanted to draft.

Do you think he has a realistic chance of being a top 5 player from this class?


Yeah, easily. Do you honestly think he has no shot at being a top 5 player from this class?
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Post#633 » by Braggins » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:49 pm

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I'm not confident saying anyone other than Flagg will be a top 5 player from this draft. We just haven't seen enough. That includes VJ, who's the player i wanted to draft.

Do you think he has a realistic chance of being a top 5 player from this class?


Yeah, easily. Do you honestly think he has no shot at being a top 5 player from this class?

Yes, I am explicitly saying that I don't think he has a realistic shot at being a top 5 player in this class. I would be very surprised if he is.

When you say that you do, is this something you would say about basically every other player drafted in like the top 10 because you don't really have a committed opinion on any of these guys? Like, are you saying this in the sense, that sure, any one of these guys COULD theoretically be a top 5 player from this class because we haven't seen enough, or are you saying you personally feel that Kon specifically is a guy that you view as a top 5 talent?

I ask because your initial answer is kind of a "who knows" kind of cop out and I want to be sure thats not what your doing with this answer. I want to see who firmly views him as the type of talent that has a real shot at being top 5 in this class.
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Post#634 » by vexco » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:57 pm

Braggins wrote:
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Braggins wrote:Do you think he has a realistic chance of being a top 5 player from this class?


Yeah, easily. Do you honestly think he has no shot at being a top 5 player from this class?

Yes, I am explicitly saying that I don't think he has a realistic shot at being a top 5 player in this class.

When you say that you do, is this something you would say about basically every other player drafted in like the top 10 because you don't really have a committed opinion on any of these guys? Like, are you saying this in the sense, that sure, any one of these guys COULD theoretically be a top 5 player from this class because we haven't seen enough, or are you saying you personally feel that Kon specifically is a guy that you view as a top 5 talent?

I ask because your initial answer is kind of a "who knows" kind of cop out.


No, it's because I'm lower on other players issues as opposed to Kon's.

Fears has shown me nothing in SL. Tre and Ace looked like chuckers in college. I like Ace, VJ, Harper, Flagg, etc. Kon is clearly a good enough player to be top 5 but that really depends on the position we put him in as an organization. I don't really put a lot of stock in SL but at his age he looks like the best player on the court the past 2 games imo.

He does a lot of things well and his negatives are average or below-average athleticism. If he leverages his size/weight advantage then he can mitigate some of that. The question is will he?

I just don't see the uphill battle to be a top 5 player in this draft that you do. He wasn't my choice of pick but I'm not gonna act like he doesn't have the talent to justify his high selection.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#635 » by Chapelchilla » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:01 am

The odds are stacked high against anybody being a "top 5" player in this class. That's thousands of basketball players.
Kon has better chance then 99% of them.
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Post#636 » by SWedd523 » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:06 am

Chapelchilla wrote:The odds are stacked high against anybody being a "top 5" player in this class. That's thousands of basketball players.
Kon has better chance then 99% of them.

Thousands?
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Post#637 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:16 am

Kid has an extremely high BBIQ and almost always makes the right play, I’ll tell ya what. He may still disappoint us but at least he’s not going to piss us off the way Tidjane Kai and Bouk did.
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Re: Kon Air: The Kon Knueppel Thread 

Post#638 » by Chapelchilla » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:21 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Chapelchilla wrote:The odds are stacked high against anybody being a "top 5" player in this class. That's thousands of basketball players.
Kon has better chance then 99% of them.

Thousands?


All college ball players at every level of the ncaa out of several classes that could go pro, all the overseas guys, yeah it's easily thousands
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Post#639 » by KembaWalker » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:23 am

Chapelchilla wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
Chapelchilla wrote:The odds are stacked high against anybody being a "top 5" player in this class. That's thousands of basketball players.
Kon has better chance then 99% of them.

Thousands?


All college ball players at every level of the ncaa out of several classes that could go pro, all the overseas guys, yeah it's easily thousands


Billions if you think about it
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Post#640 » by SWedd523 » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:23 am

Oh you were just being pedantic
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