Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[C Court]

CMB has a chance to be very good.

So far in summer league it’s apparent he knows where to be on defence, when to rotate and how to step in front of his man. He’s got size and smarts and he’s just 20 yo.

[dballislife]

i dont see 23-25 ppg but a potential very efficient 18-19 ppg with dpoy level defense sounds great to me

[Badonkadonk]

I completely discount SL, I agree it's meaningless. I'm talking about what he showed with the Gamecocks.

Nothing he has done before SL is any more relevant than SL, though.

He has shown some signs. He has some quickness. He has some elementary handles. He certainly has the body and will to absorb contact, and can in the interior. He has noted weakness as a shooter. His passing looks pretty good from his usual spots.

I'm just very hesitant to care too much about what he did as a sub-20 ppg scorer in college as being terribly relevant to us, especially since he isn't apt to get tons of reps of face-up drives for us.

That's an odd KPI to use, there were ~20 players in NCAA who scored 20 or more last season. Harper and Flagg were at 19.4 and 19.2 respectively. I don't really care much for counting stats in general in College. For example, people underrated Ja'kobe and ignored team context at Baylor too much imo.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/136

Admittedly I watched all of CMB's footage after we drafted him as I was convinced we'd take Maluach, but I think his offense will not only translate at the pro level but that Darko's system (high event, lots of passing) suits him very well. Very smart kid, and makes quick decisions.

We'll see!

[Axe Dragon]

I just realized that he has 6 letters in each one of his names.

666.

Collin Joseph Kitts-Murray-Boyles

I see 6/6/5/6/6

Palindrome…

Axe


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[CPT]

Every time I see his name I still expect it to be like a winger from Sunderland, not our lottery pick forward.

[Tha Cynic]

Guess when CMB gets his first big contract most people will want to see him gone.

Kind of depends how he performs over the next, like, 3 seasons. He has a lot of time to show us what he is worth. And as long as we aren't asking/projecting him to be our next offensive savior, then we'll probably see a fairly different approach to him than, say, with Scottie.

Who’s we? The Raptors didn’t anoint Barnes the offensive saviour, or they would not have Barrett, Quickley, Dick and Ingram on the team. They have gone a few years of going after nothing but offense only guys before switching to defense this year.

Everything they say about CMB is about his maturity and defense.

This seems more like a call out to posters here to look at themselves in the mirror. If you think someone is being anointed an offensive star, it’s probably more the poster reading things incorrectly and mistaking the Raptors trying to reduce weaknesses and thinking it’s them thinking said player is the next Kevin Durant.

[tsherkin]

That's an odd KPI to use, there were ~20 players in NCAA who scored 20 or more last season. Harper and Flagg were at 19.4 and 19.2 respectively. I don't really care much for counting stats in general in College. For example, people underrated Ja'kobe and ignored team context at Baylor too much imo.

Yeah, the specific average isn't important, but 16 or 17 ppg isn't all that impressive regardless.

As I said earlier, I'm warming to him in general, but I'm super not in a space where I'm looking to regard him as a major volume piece because he was able to score from face-up a bit in college, you know? Let him hit the league and establish his known role first. We burned ourselves forcing the issue with Scottie already, we need to let CMB develop more organically.

Who’s we? The Raptors didn’t anoint Barnes the offensive saviour, or they would not have Barrett, Quickley, Dick and Ingram on the team. They have gone a few years of going after nothing but offense only guys before switching to defense this year.

This year, we appear to be finally moving on from that experiment, yes. The point here is to relax with CMB and let him establish himself, let him take some time. Don't overdevelop expectations which he probably can't achieve. Better to be surprised happily by production than to be perpetually disappointed that he isn't meeting a particularly high standard established for no reason.

[Tha Cynic]

Who’s we? The Raptors didn’t anoint Barnes the offensive saviour, or they would not have Barrett, Quickley, Dick and Ingram on the team. They have gone a few years of going after nothing but offense only guys before switching to defense this year.

This year, we appear to be finally moving on from that experiment, yes. The point here is to relax with CMB and let him establish himself, let him take some time. Don't overdevelop expectations which he probably can't achieve. Better to be surprised happily by production than to be perpetually disappointed that he isn't meeting a particularly high standard established for no reason.

What experiment? You keep saying this in every thread after spamming the Barnes thread, but we went from Siakam, Barnes, OG, FVV to Barnes, Quickley, RJ, tanked for a year and a half and also traded for Ingram, while drafting Dick. None of this shows that we experimented with him as some sort of offensive saviour lol. In fact we made Barnes the lone defensive player to play beside Poeltl. They actually did the opposite of what you said. If you’re building around him, he would have a bunch of two way shooters around him to let him operate in the midrange. The Raptors have instead built a team where the team is independent even if you remove Barnes.

And like I said, no one in the Raptors organization has done anything to indicate that they think CMB is some sort of offensive saviour. Posters want to be optimistic, they can try to be. Human minds work differently. You can’t force people to look at the world pessimistically with the hope that a positive event then occurs to surprise you positively.

[anotherhomer]

someone who can step in defensively in that matter is amazing.

He's similiar to cason wallace from that perspective

[wegotthabeet]

Can CMB start by year 2?

I guess it depends on how his shot develops.

[raptorforlife88]

I feel like he has a very very high floor?

I just can't imagine how he doesn't wind up a really useful piece at the very least. He has the combination of physical attributes plus feel for the game.

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[Basketball_Jones]

See what happens when they actually give him the ball lol

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[LoveMyRaps]

This dude is a beast

[TimeForChange]

Props to Bobby for drafting this kid

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[Boardbreaker]

If he can ever get his three to a respectable average the sky’s the limit

[LoveMyRaps]

Props to Bobby for drafting this kid

No one better to lead the rebuild than Bob the Builder himself.