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Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Games 1 - 4)

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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1481 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:40 pm

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playa-hater wrote:Baylor Scheierman, when first drafted, I thought was more of a shooter with a bit of play-making ability. Now it seems like he has switched to more of a play-maker but less of a shooter.

I highlighted "It seems" because it is still early in his career.


He shot 41% from 3 in the g-league last year. SL is nothing.

1) Not sure where you're getting that stat from. Per RealGM, he played 25 total G league games last season, shooting 37.9% from 3

2) G league is known for inflated stats because the style of play there is like pickup games, open run, AAU type of style with very little defense.

We constantly see random scrubs who can't get make an NBA team go off for 25+ points in the G. And final scores are often like 148-131.

3) Baylor has played in 4 different settings now in a Celtic uniform..here's how I'd rank them in terms of defensive intensity, competitiveness and level of competition:

NBA reg season
NBA preseason
NBA Summer League (2024 and 2025)
G league

4) Looking at his updated shooting numbers for the settings where actual defense is played:

2025 summer league, 3 games: 6/28 (21.4%) from 3
24-25 NBA season, 31 games: 26/82 (31.7%) from 3
24-25 preseason, 5 games: 3/17 (17.6%) from 3
2024 summer league, 5 games: 10/34 (29.4%) from 3
Total, 44 games: 45/161 (27.9%) from 3

Yes, that's a small sample size. Yes, these 3 pt numbers are on good volume and having high volume is typically an indicator that the guy will be able to shoot it at least fairly well. Yes, he's (for the most part) been a good FT shooter and yes he was a good shooter in college.

However, he'll be 25 years old soon..he's no spring chicken. It is somewhat concerning to see a sample size this big of him being such a poor shooter from 3, given that was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths as a prospect when we drafted him - possibly the biggest strength (supposedly).


Must have just included the main season: https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631248/

This wasn't a Jayson Tatum with a pro basketball player dad and professional coaching before he was a teenager. He worked himself up from nowhere. I have more confidence in him than you do. Anyone can be shot down with your approach, but he averaged 39% from 3 over 5 college years. Sure, say the early years were a low conference, but account for that and you can see steady improvement over his five years: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/baylor-scheierman-1.html
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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1482 » by darrendaye » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:21 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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playa-hater wrote:Baylor Scheierman, when first drafted, I thought was more of a shooter with a bit of play-making ability. Now it seems like he has switched to more of a play-maker but less of a shooter.

I highlighted "It seems" because it is still early in his career.


He shot 41% from 3 in the g-league last year. SL is nothing.

1) Not sure where you're getting that stat from. Per RealGM, he played 25 total G league games last season, shooting 37.9% from 3

2) G league is known for inflated stats because the style of play there is like pickup games, open run, AAU type of style with very little defense.

We constantly see random scrubs who can't get make an NBA team go off for 25+ points in the G. And final scores are often like 148-131.

3) Baylor has played in 4 different settings now in a Celtic uniform..here's how I'd rank them in terms of defensive intensity, competitiveness and level of competition:

NBA reg season
NBA preseason
NBA Summer League (2024 and 2025)
G league

4) Looking at his updated shooting numbers for the settings where actual defense is played:

2025 summer league, 3 games: 6/28 (21.4%) from 3
24-25 NBA season, 31 games: 26/82 (31.7%) from 3
24-25 preseason, 5 games: 3/17 (17.6%) from 3
2024 summer league, 5 games: 10/34 (29.4%) from 3
Total, 44 games: 45/161 (27.9%) from 3

Yes, that's a small sample size. Yes, these 3 pt numbers are on good volume and having high volume is typically an indicator that the guy will be able to shoot it at least fairly well. Yes, he's (for the most part) been a good FT shooter and yes he was a good shooter in college.

However, he'll be 25 years old soon..he's no spring chicken. It is somewhat concerning to see a sample size this big of him being such a poor shooter from 3, given that was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths as a prospect when we drafted him - possibly the biggest strength (supposedly).


Karalis claimed Scheierman was tweaking his shot, which I was hopeful to hear. We'll see what results. I do like the small things with him, but, that shot has to come around.

EDIT: Hal, you're including both regular and tip-off tournament stats on Brat here, right?
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Post#1483 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:24 pm

I think he was talking about squaring up more, and you can see he misses that with a number of his quick tosses.
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Post#1484 » by darrendaye » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:39 pm

Any word on anyone being shut down for SL? Watching regardless, but more Hayden Gray would be nice to evaluate.
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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1485 » by playa-hater » Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:52 pm

Hugo will get his first quadruple double. Points, rebounds asts and turnovers! :nod:

Rico will hit the front rim on 3s at least 4 times... Bassy will clinch SL MVP

Walsh will earn a spot and then lose it and then earn it back again and then.....

Amari will play so good, that we can trade him to LAL for Dalton Knecht, but Brad says no.. too much money :x

Shulga will lock up Bronny James and hold him to ZERO points 8-)
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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1486 » by Parliament10 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:00 pm

darrendaye wrote:Any word on anyone being shut down for SL? Watching regardless, but more Hayden Gray would be nice to evaluate.

Well, we have 2 Games left, and we do need to see the other players. Fringe of the fringe, so to speak.
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Post#1487 » by Parliament10 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:19 pm

Is it me, or does Summer League (Las Vegas) just not have enough flair and purpose to it?
These are all Beginning and/or Fringe Players. Let's have some real Playoff-like competition.

I'd like to see a Swiss Tournament.
Where Teams are matched Randomly for the 1st Game, just to establish Seeding.
Then every Team plays an opponent with an identical record, or close to it.

Round 1 = Random. (Establish Seeding.)
Round 2 = 0-0 -- Seeded
Round 3 = 1-0 -- Top 15 = [7 vs 7 & (low 1-0 plays high 0-1)]
Round 4 = 2-0 -- Top 8
Round 5 = 3-0 -- Top 4
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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1488 » by Gant » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:00 am

‪Bobby Krivitsky‬

Charles Bassey is no longer on the Celtics' Summer League roster. His contract with the team was for 3 days.

The sense I always got was that Bassey's free-agent market didn't play out as he hoped. He wisely chose to join a Celtics team that was willing to have him suit up for them for several Summer League games.

Bassey showcased he's worthy of some form of an NBA deal. We'll see where his next opportunity takes him, though.
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Post#1489 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:01 am

Gant wrote:‪Bobby Krivitsky‬

Charles Bassey is no longer on the Celtics' Summer League roster. His contract with the team was for 3 days.

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Post#1490 » by cloverleaf » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:01 am

Gant wrote:‪Bobby Krivitsky‬

Charles Bassey is no longer on the Celtics' Summer League roster. His contract with the team was for 3 days.

The sense I always got was that Bassey's free-agent market didn't play out as he hoped. He wisely chose to join a Celtics team that was willing to have him suit up for them for several Summer League games.

Bassey showcased he's worthy of some form of an NBA deal. We'll see where his next opportunity takes him, though.


I guess we get more Lofton and Amari.
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Post#1491 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:02 am

Who cares about Dame Lillard? We got Isaiah Wong. Bring on the Lakers!!
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Post#1492 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:02 am

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Post#1493 » by redslastlaugh » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:02 am

OH SNAP!

okay, well do we have him signed to a training camp contract or is this it, he's out the door?

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Gant wrote:‪Bobby Krivitsky‬

Charles Bassey is no longer on the Celtics' Summer League roster. His contract with the team was for 3 days.

WTF!!!
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Post#1494 » by cloverleaf » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:02 am

Parliament10 wrote:Is it me, or does Summer League (Las Vegas) just not have enough flair and purpose to it?
These are all Beginning and/or Fringe Players. Let's have some real Playoff-like competition.

I'd like to see a Swiss Tournament.
Where Teams are matched Randomly for the 1st Game, just to establish Seeding.
Then every Team plays an opponent with an identical record, or close to it.

Round 1 = Random. (Establish Seeding.)
Round 2 = 0-0 -- Seeded
Round 3 = 1-0 -- Top 15 = [7 vs 7 & (low 1-0 plays high 0-1)]
Round 4 = 2-0 -- Top 8
Round 5 = 3-0 -- Top 4
Championship -- Top 2 (4-0)


They need exactly something like that. Nearly 3/4ths of the teams were out of it early on, which is deflating.
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Post#1495 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:04 am

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Post#1496 » by redslastlaugh » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:04 am

at least we are gonna get 30+ minutes of Amari Williams tonight

LETS Go! BEAT LA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#1497 » by darrendaye » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:05 am

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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1498 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:07 am

redslastlaugh wrote:OH SNAP!

okay, well do we have him signed to a training camp contract or is this it, he's out the door?

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Gant wrote:‪Bobby Krivitsky‬

Charles Bassey is no longer on the Celtics' Summer League roster. His contract with the team was for 3 days.

WTF!!!

Looks like Bassey had a prior Commitment.
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Post#1499 » by Gant » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:10 am

Noa Dalzell:

Celtics Summer League standout Charles Bassey is no longer with the team, the Celtics shared ahead of Thursday’s game against the Los Angeles Lakers. He was always slated to play just three games, the team said, and had prior obligations the rest of the way.
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Post#1500 » by redslastlaugh » Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:10 am

Christian Koloko is a legit NBA backup big, when healthy
really lookin forward to seeing Amari compete against him tonight
we haven't seen centers really in Amari's two games

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