Would you prefer to have Myers instead of Dunleavy right now?
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Mdj has been doing a good job. The only mistakes were letting cp3s contract walk for nothing and not trading kuminga 2 years ago. And I'm blaming most of that pile of crap on lacob. Mjd has done a whole lot of good since taking over a bad situation. The draft, some good contracts (heild, melton, moody, etc..).
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I think the Draymond extension was a mistake.
I wanted the team to trade Klay as an expiring in the last year of his contract.
I think the CP trade was crappy.
I think not trading CP as an expiring was a mistake.
The Podz pick was fine.
Getting any playing time out of TJD and Post is fine but they should be a 3rd option at center on a good team.
The additions of Melton(often injured), Buddy and Slomo were, meh.
The Schroeder trade didn't work out as well as I thought it would but they didn't give up much for him.
Jimmy trade was fine but the 2 year extension he came with sucks.
The 2025 draft was poop.
The JK situation is not ideal.
Lets see how the rest of the offseason goes but it looks like it will consist of Horford(old), Melton(injured) and JK coming back when he doesn't want to be here and the coach doesn't trust him.
I wanted the team to trade Klay as an expiring in the last year of his contract.
I think the CP trade was crappy.
I think not trading CP as an expiring was a mistake.
The Podz pick was fine.
Getting any playing time out of TJD and Post is fine but they should be a 3rd option at center on a good team.
The additions of Melton(often injured), Buddy and Slomo were, meh.
The Schroeder trade didn't work out as well as I thought it would but they didn't give up much for him.
Jimmy trade was fine but the 2 year extension he came with sucks.
The 2025 draft was poop.
The JK situation is not ideal.
Lets see how the rest of the offseason goes but it looks like it will consist of Horford(old), Melton(injured) and JK coming back when he doesn't want to be here and the coach doesn't trust him.
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whatisacenter wrote:
I think the [/b]Draymond extension was a mistake.[/b]
I wanted the team to trade Klay as an expiring in the last year of his contract.
I think the CP trade was crappy.
I think not trading CP as an expiring was a mistake.
The Podz pick was fine.
Getting any playing time out of TJD and Post is fine but they should be a 3rd option at center on a good team.
The additions of Melton(often injured), Buddy and Slomo were, meh.
The Schroeder trade didn't work out as well as I thought it would but they didn't give up much for him.
Jimmy trade was fine but the 2 year extension he came with sucks.
The 2025 draft was poop.
The JK situation is not ideal.
Lets see how the rest of the offseason goes but it looks like it will consist of Horford(old), Melton(injured) and JK coming back when he doesn't want to be here and the coach doesn't trust him.
I mean, there is not much left to see to be honest, MDJ has done a lousy job so far as you posted. and for the record, I pretty much agree on everything you said here.
what else everyone is waiting to see when the better asset like klay's expiring and paul's expiring (let alone the initial trade for him) were completely missmanaged like looney+GPII expiring last trade deadline and questionable extensions were given?
now even beal - after a buyout - is gone. adding horford (at 39) and melton (very good player, so his injuries history) won't change much in the bigger picture of his 2 years tenure. dubs are stuck in this current situation also because of the decisions he made/he didn't make. like meyers before him. bottom line is they have been both bad in the last few seasons (meyers' last 2 years for sure, dunleavy in his first 2). and the results speak for it.
PS: at least meyers nailed 1 late first round pick in poole (people can say what the duck they want, JP was a key contributor in the 2022 championship and talent-wise a tier above every other 1st round pick made by the dubs recently) and 1 excellent move in flipping KD for Dlo first and then to wiggins + that first rounder from MIN, a move that regardless of the end result showed a vision and a plan.
what vision transpired from MDJ so far? what moves has he done so far that resembled a plan?
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whatisacenter wrote:I think the Draymond extension was a mistake.
I wanted the team to trade Klay as an expiring in the last year of his contract.
I think the CP trade was crappy.
I think not trading CP as an expiring was a mistake.
The Podz pick was fine.
Getting any playing time out of TJD and Post is fine but they should be a 3rd option at center on a good team.
The additions of Melton(often injured), Buddy and Slomo were, meh.
The Schroeder trade didn't work out as well as I thought it would but they didn't give up much for him.
Jimmy trade was fine but the 2 year extension he came with sucks.
The 2025 draft was poop.
The JK situation is not ideal.
Lets see how the rest of the offseason goes but it looks like it will consist of Horford(old), Melton(injured) and JK coming back when he doesn't want to be here and the coach doesn't trust him.
I would say that Mdjr seems to be thoughtful, strategic and obviously knows basketball. Weve seen some GMs come through here that I couldnt say the same about. While i prefer Bob, im good with Mdj. Afterall the biggest decision i disagreed with at the time (to extend Draymond) is an organizational decision that he wouldnt have made on his own.
Didnt like the Poole for CP3 trade, hated how we ended up netting a negative 2030 1st/2nd. Thought we could have used cp3 to bring in a difference maker given the direction.
Hated our draft. Dont think we got good value in trading down, think we gave up too much to move from 59 to 56, and didnt like the picks we made (mostly Toohey). That said, i didnt study the draft much - i just liked the Stanford center so thats as far as my analysis went.Hard to get excited about missing on picks in the 2nd rd much less the 50’s, but ill ne upset if Reynaud ends up being a solid player and neither of these guys do.
Jimmy trade was outstanding in my view. The extension was fine (given the draymond extension).
Buddy, Melton, Slo Mo were fine.
If he ends up retaining JK and signing Al and Melton this summer is a success imo (given the situation that the warriors are in).
Between, a tradeable JK contract, Draymond, Buddy, Moody thats enough salary to bring in any overpaid, unhappy elite player that may be available by the trade deadline. Thats not a bad situation to be in.
Overall, fine with Mdj
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Draymond’s contract is fine both in length and cost relative to contribution.
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Listening to Myers on ESPN it’s become apparent he’s probably a really good negotiator and manager of people but a really bad talent evaluator.
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KevinMcreynolds wrote:Listening to Myers on ESPN it’s become apparent he’s probably a really good negotiator and manager of people but a really bad talent evaluator.
Myers is the consummate politician. The company man. But he never had any kind of background scouting talent which is what is most important.
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Jester_ wrote:Hot take: Moses Moody shows the potential to be a star/#2 option ala Lauri Markkanen. Both the eye test and the advanced stats show a player with extremely high slope.
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KevinMcreynolds wrote:Listening to Myers on ESPN it’s become apparent he’s probably a really good negotiator and manager of people but a really bad talent evaluator.
That tracks with what we saw over his tenure. Although when it comes to talent evaluation, it's tricky to say because certainly Lacob, Kerr, and other staff (not to mention Steph, Draymond, Klay, Iguodala) are also voices that get input. In some cases, the GM probably gets overruled or outvoted.
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I think the org did a great job with talent eval during the Myers years until the last couple of years of the draft. The Wiseman and JK/Moody picks were huge blunders. I liked all those picks at the time but I don’t know **** about college/euro prospects.
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whatisacenter wrote:I think the Draymond extension was a mistake.
I wanted the team to trade Klay as an expiring in the last year of his contract.
I think the CP trade was crappy.
I think not trading CP as an expiring was a mistake.
The Podz pick was fine.
Getting any playing time out of TJD and Post is fine but they should be a 3rd option at center on a good team.
The additions of Melton(often injured), Buddy and Slomo were, meh.
The Schroeder trade didn't work out as well as I thought it would but they didn't give up much for him.
Jimmy trade was fine but the 2 year extension he came with sucks.
The 2025 draft was poop.
The JK situation is not ideal.
Lets see how the rest of the offseason goes but it looks like it will consist of Horford(old), Melton(injured) and JK coming back when he doesn't want to be here and the coach doesn't trust him.
Dray's extension is/was probably below market value if you believe the talk about what Mem or Sac was willing to offer. Paying 25/yr for a DPOY candidate is great value. Look at Rudy's contract.
The Podz pick was great. GREAT. I don't even like podz but to get that at 19 or whatever, that's GREAT drafting.
The buddy addition is/was terrific. Melton was a gamble but was 1/3rd of the contracts needed for Jimmy. Slomo was disappointing.
Jimmy trade was a home-run. He looked healthy, changed the entire vibe of the squad, we went 23-7 and looked better than the wolves in the one game where steph was healthy and jimmy was still limping around. Don't love the extension but it's just 2 years and lines up with Steph and Jimmy. I just don't see how that trade was anything other than a home run. Grand Slam, maybe?
agree on the rest.
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Meyer got:
Zaza
David West
McGee
Better looking uniforms
And
Got rid off Mark Jackson
Zaza
David West
McGee
Better looking uniforms
And
Got rid off Mark Jackson
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Stern wrote:Meyer got:
Zaza
David West
McGee
Better looking uniforms
And
Got rid off Mark Jackson
Stick around and someone will tell you that everything good was because of Jerry West and anything bad was Bob's fault.
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The dubs went from a GM who couldnt draft but could trade to a GM who cant draft, cant sign and cant trade
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vvoland wrote:whatisacenter wrote:I think the Draymond extension was a mistake.
I wanted the team to trade Klay as an expiring in the last year of his contract.
I think the CP trade was crappy.
I think not trading CP as an expiring was a mistake.
The Podz pick was fine.
Getting any playing time out of TJD and Post is fine but they should be a 3rd option at center on a good team.
The additions of Melton(often injured), Buddy and Slomo were, meh.
The Schroeder trade didn't work out as well as I thought it would but they didn't give up much for him.
Jimmy trade was fine but the 2 year extension he came with sucks.
The 2025 draft was poop.
The JK situation is not ideal.
Lets see how the rest of the offseason goes but it looks like it will consist of Horford(old), Melton(injured) and JK coming back when he doesn't want to be here and the coach doesn't trust him.
Dray's extension is/was probably below market value if you believe the talk about what Mem or Sac was willing to offer. Paying 25/yr for a DPOY candidate is great value. Look at Rudy's contract.
The Podz pick was great. GREAT. I don't even like podz but to get that at 19 or whatever, that's GREAT drafting.
The buddy addition is/was terrific. Melton was a gamble but was 1/3rd of the contracts needed for Jimmy. Slomo was disappointing.
Jimmy trade was a home-run. He looked healthy, changed the entire vibe of the squad, we went 23-7 and looked better than the wolves in the one game where steph was healthy and jimmy was still limping around. Don't love the extension but it's just 2 years and lines up with Steph and Jimmy. I just don't see how that trade was anything other than a home run. Grand Slam, maybe?
agree on the rest.
Podz is shouldve been traded the minute he showed any type of potential. He doesnt fit with Steph. Buddy was not a good pickup. Kyle was not a good pickup. Melton was fine. Jimmy trade was orchestrated by Steph, Dray and Jimmy. Kuminga shouldve been extended last year at whatever rate and traded asap. They knew his potential and lack of fit which is why theyve tried to tank his value.
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Twinkie defense wrote:Oh hell no. Myers would've already given Kuminga a $150 mil contract.
Yeah; problem is, JK would have turned it down.
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Romulus wrote:Twinkie defense wrote:Oh hell no. Myers would've already given Kuminga a $150 mil contract.
Yeah; problem is, JK would have turned it down.
He means Bob would’ve caved and given jk his 5/175 deal that he wanted.
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floppymoose wrote:Myers turned KD leaving into 2022 Wiggins and another championship. MDJ made some good draft picks but also mortgaged the future to be an also-ran.
Myers saving the Durant leaving thing was a miracle.
HOWEVER, it was UNDER Myers that Durant and Draymond chit the bed. Myers could have convinced Lacob to send Draymond bye instead of Durant.
But Myers built the dynasty (Iggy, drafting Draymond, David West, Shawn Livingston) so it's really not that close is it?
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Trading draymond wouldn't have resolved the kd situation, since kd didn't like kerr's system. We would have had to trade dray and fire kerr at the very least to accommodate kd. We might not have won a championship in that scenario. Look what kd did with kyrie and the nets, a whole lotta nothing. And Steve nash was run outta town on a rail.
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Players taken in the last ten picks of the draft didn’t blow everyone away in their first summer league? The GM must be boiled in oil!
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Myers had a great run and I agree with his self assessment that he needed to leave. His tenure ran its course and the attachment to core would have clouded his judgement. What I think we will miss with Myers now is his ability to network with other teams and get a deal done. No huge body of work to draw from, but that is my hunch.
Not a huge fan of Dunleavy, but that is more based upon the bias against him as a player. I don't really have a grade for him as he is still adjusting to the seat.
Bottomline, I am ok with the change and have a grade of Inc for Dunleavy. When the Kuminga saga ends, I can then assess what else we pick up. Melton and Horford alone would not be satisfactory.
Not a huge fan of Dunleavy, but that is more based upon the bias against him as a player. I don't really have a grade for him as he is still adjusting to the seat.
Bottomline, I am ok with the change and have a grade of Inc for Dunleavy. When the Kuminga saga ends, I can then assess what else we pick up. Melton and Horford alone would not be satisfactory.
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