2025 Summer League

[Bassman]

Baugh played one of those mixed nuts games tonight. Half the time I wanted to bench him, the other I cheer what he did. Per earlier, no doubt who should be on a 2-way. PJ Hall had played a bit unsteady in some earlier games but tonight he was fire! If Jeffie can’t engineer a trade for a quality starter, PJ may be a good fire alarm to sign.

So happy for the team, and for Kon to again have a really good game. He’s gotten comfortable and up to speed. Showed some sweet moves, shots, the passing (that reverse flip to Hall was highlight) and decent defense. Really pivoted well, body checked strong and showed the type of D he can play. Next level starters will be much harder but encouraging game!

Playoffs, even if SL, are sweet.

[EmpireFalls]

Man could you imagine ever organizing and pulling off a 4-0 summer league team in the Jordan days? MJ would be too strung out from the craps tables to even watch any games, Larry and Buzz could barely find professional level players, the poor analytics guy was too overworked with cap calculations to do any scouting, and no on at any level had any coaching or GMing vision so we usually just turned out local guys.

I have no clue if these new owners are good or not, but it’s good to not be the patsy in the room anymore. There is a 0.0% chance we could’ve ever looked this competent a decade ago.

[Chapelchilla]

Man could you imagine ever organizing and pulling off a 4-0 summer league team in the Jordan days? MJ would be too strung out from the craps tables to even watch any games, Larry and Buzz could barely find professional level players, the poor analytics guy was too overworked with cap calculations to do any scouting, and no on at any level had any coaching or GMing vision so we usually just turned out local guys.

I have no clue if these new owners are good or not, but it’s good to not be the patsy in the room anymore. There is a 0.0% chance we could’ve ever looked this competent a decade ago.

It's refreshing that they have a plan and are actually being systematic about it. We're not there yet but it's starting to come together. I think they will be a lot of fun to watch this year and that's a good step in the right direction.

[fatlever]

I havent read through the comments yet or looked at the box score so this is my first reaction.

- baugh's nickname going forward should be "pareto" King of the 8020 Rule. 80% a talented solid player. And 20% A complete **** mess. His basketball awareness is the one thing keeping him from consistently making a roster in his career.
- sims Absolutely cannot dribble a basketball
- KJ has Fantastic for four games in a row now. I really hope he sticks. I like everything about him as a person.
- kon Once again out there just making the right play every time. He's never gonna be a playmaker on defense but I don't watch him as Someone I'm that worried about. He's always in the right place. His passing was best part of his game again today. I think he's the second best passer on the roster day one. Might take him a year or two to really hone in on those deeper threes. Till it's just outside his comfort zone.
- I had no idea PJ Hall had that kind of UPS. He looked like Blake Griffin out there a few times. I'd like to see him get the last two way spot over baugh.
- fortunately rodman cannot rebound like his dad

gold = kj
silver = kon
bronze = 80% of baugh

hm = hall

[fatlever]

Man could you imagine ever organizing and pulling off a 4-0 summer league team in the Jordan days? MJ would be too strung out from the craps tables to even watch any games, Larry and Buzz could barely find professional level players, the poor analytics guy was too overworked with cap calculations to do any scouting, and no on at any level had any coaching or GMing vision so we usually just turned out local guys.

I have no clue if these new owners are good or not, but it’s good to not be the patsy in the room anymore. There is a 0.0% chance we could’ve ever looked this competent a decade ago.

I know we only won nineteen games Last year and it was not what we all wanted. But I'm gonna keep repeating this because it bears repeating. It is not a coincidence that our Summer League teams have gone 11-1 The past two summers while the Greensboro Swarm had their first winning season in the history of the franchise last year. It matters to have competent people at every level of your organization from the lowest guy all the way to the top. mj And his team of yes men never gave a **** about the small details.

[fatlever]

We play the Thunder on Saturday at 6:00 PM on ESPN. At least we're not playing the Raptors. They've been relentless. The four best teams definitely made it through. I'll be very curious to see who suits up.

[JDR720]

the konman and the hallmonitor have very good chemistry.

[fatlever]

hall monitor. lol. perfect.
hall and GOATs

[JDR720]

Kon has some legit PG skills. His passes are good, but he's a very controlled ballhandler and knows how to manipulate space too. He's learned to workaround his mediocre athleticism by knowing where to go and how to get there, he uses his body well.

This is similar to his defense. I don't think he'll ever be a plus on-ball defender, but he knows where to be and is hardly ever out of position.

Just an overall fundamentally sound player.

I think Liam is similar, even though he didn't play. It's refreshing to have rookies who don't need to go to Basketball 101.

[Hornet Mania]

Meanwhile Peterson gives himself another dilemma by signing Drew Peterson days before PJ Hall shows he’s deserving of that final two-way. Do they waive Baugh to make way for PJ?

That's an easy yes for me. We already have plenty of ball handlers assuming we keep KJ as expected.

Baugh doesn't understand, or isn't willing to embrace, his destiny as a role player. He's too focused on doing more instead of fitting in and contributing as a bench guy. I actually believe he could be 90% of what Dennis Schroeder brings if he'd just get in the right groove and not press to show he's better than that.

[KembaWalker]

I’d really just like to sign PJ Hall for some specific matchups. I dunno what team he’s even on now but next time Mo Wagner is coming up on the schedule would be w great time for a call up. Some bone crunching screens on Paul George would be good too. I’m a sucker for some old school goon ballers

[JDR720]

2-way spots

KJ
Drew
The Hall Monitor

[JDR720]

Ball - Sexton - Nipple - Tiddy - Hall Monitor

[JDR720]

Goody-two-shoes lineup.

Kon - Liam - Tiddy - Moose - Hall Monitor

Bad Boys Lineup

Melo - Miles - Grant - Normal Plumlee - Goth Plumlee

Who would win?

[Bassman]

Last night the Nuggets finally won an SL game. I noticed a great box score and said…I know that name…

DaRon Holmes II has returned from his horrible Achilles tear in his first SL game last year. The 22nd pick in a bad draft class showed out with 17 rebounds, 19 points (8-16), 5 assists and 2 steals. That’s a nasty injury for anyone, especially a big man (6-9, 236lbs). Happy for him and wish we had him.

[fatlever]

Goody-two-shoes lineup.

Kon - Liam - Tiddy - Moose - Hall Monitor

Bad Boys Lineup

Melo - Miles - Grant - Normal Plumlee - Goth Plumlee

Who would win?

Not the team with 2 plumlees

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[MasterIchiro]

The take-home for me this SL is the emergence of Liam & Kon as legitimate prospects.

Honestly felt like Tidjane PTSD biased my confidence in this draft. I was dreading a poor selection. Just terrified.

I think I said if Jeff were to draft Kon I'd long for the return of Dick Cho and the pu pu platter draft plate he served through the years, all his picks busting except for Kemba Walker.

Kon and Liam may not reach their ceilings as above average starters, but I feel like I saw enough in their games to trust they won't crash to their floors. And their floors (especially Kon's) look much higher than I forecast originally.

Kon may have been a small reach at 4 but consider swinging for Patrick Williams at 4, the athletic archetype with size, yet no feel, no IQ, no ability to raise the level of play in teammates.

And obviously Liam shoots better than his NCAA numbers, and there is some data backing it from HS and from pre-injury.

Jeff drafted 2 snipers who know what to do with the ball in their hands, can carve space, manage the floor, make reads, and execute the right play at the right place and time for teammates to exploit the defense.

The draft was an A even if Ace and Fears or Tre hit. We raised the floor of a roster featuring legit high end talents in Melo and Miller.

Time to play with house money (8 firsts, 12 seconds) for upgrades that move the needle while this draft class matures and adapts to NBA level competition.

Love their fighting, competitive spirit as well. They have seemed locked on every possession.

[fatlever]

Well said

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[Chapelchilla]

The take-home for me this SL is the emergence of Liam & Kon as legitimate prospects.

Honestly felt like Tidjane PTSD biased my confidence in this draft. I was dreading a poor selection. Just terrified.

I think I said if Jeff were to draft Kon I'd long for the return of Dick Cho and the pu pu platter draft plate he served through the years, all his picks busting except for Kemba Walker.

Kon and Liam may not reach their ceilings as above average starters, but I feel like I saw enough in their games to trust they won't crash to their floors. And their floors (especially Kon's) look much higher than I forecast originally.

Kon may have been a small reach at 4 but consider swinging for Patrick Williams at 4, the athletic archetype with size, yet no feel, no IQ, no ability to raise the level of play in teammates.

And obviously Liam shoots better than his NCAA numbers, and there is some data backing it from HS and from pre-injury.

Jeff drafted 2 snipers who know what to do with the ball in their hands, can carve space, manage the floor, make reads, and execute the right play at the right place and time for teammates to exploit the defense.

The draft was an A even if Ace and Fears or Tre hit. We raised the floor of a roster featuring legit high end talents in Melo and Miller.

Time to play with house money (8 firsts, 12 seconds) for upgrades that move the needle while this draft class matures and adapts to NBA level competition.

Love their fighting, competitive spirit as well. They have seemed locked on every possession.

I agree completely. I think that barring injuries both Liam and Kon will be at worst useful NBA players almost immediately and both could be good starters with some seasoning.

[MasterIchiro]

The take-home for me this SL is the emergence of Liam & Kon as legitimate prospects.

Honestly felt like Tidjane PTSD biased my confidence in this draft. I was dreading a poor selection. Just terrified.

I think I said if Jeff were to draft Kon I'd long for the return of Dick Cho and the pu pu platter draft plate he served through the years, all his picks busting except for Kemba Walker.

Kon and Liam may not reach their ceilings as above average starters, but I feel like I saw enough in their games to trust they won't crash to their floors. And their floors (especially Kon's) look much higher than I forecast originally.

Kon may have been a small reach at 4 but consider swinging for Patrick Williams at 4, the athletic archetype with size, yet no feel, no IQ, no ability to raise the level of play in teammates.

And obviously Liam shoots better than his NCAA numbers, and there is some data backing it from HS and from pre-injury.

Jeff drafted 2 snipers who know what to do with the ball in their hands, can carve space, manage the floor, make reads, and execute the right play at the right place and time for teammates to exploit the defense.

The draft was an A even if Ace and Fears or Tre hit. We raised the floor of a roster featuring legit high end talents in Melo and Miller.

Time to play with house money (8 firsts, 12 seconds) for upgrades that move the needle while this draft class matures and adapts to NBA level competition.

Love their fighting, competitive spirit as well. They have seemed locked on every possession.

I agree completely. I think that barring injuries both Liam and Kon will be at worst useful NBA players almost immediately and both could be good starters with some seasoning.

Definitely.

And I believe the entire NBA community now better appreciates the limitations of prospects in the one-and-done era.

It's not realistic to expect teens to step in and compete with NBA starters. Jeff is ahead of the game if Kon and Liam can contribute from the bench and make positive impact in the 9th-10th spots during their first 4 years playing on a rookie contract.

Today's restricted free agents are virtually fresh off college senior year. That is how the front office should view them. Otherwise you're gambling (Tidjane).

And when a team starts adding young vets like Sexton (26), and starts winning, you have to bring along prospects as support pieces.

It's too bad Bouknight and Kai were head cases after returning for their sophomore seasons, making some improvements that made them look like safer home run hacks.

On that end, Kon and Liam play mentally tough, stay within their games.