Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Livingston Back on a 1 Year Deal - Page 76

[engelmartin]

Kuzma and Ajax for Simons and Niang.

Simons and Anthony off the bench is probably better than Jennings and Ellis ever were.

[Chad34]

Kuzma/Green/Ajax for Jrue and our pick swaps back. Call it in.

Not giving up green for jrue

[WiscoKing13]

Doubtful this could have happened with a Turner take it or leave it deal that was offered, but in a perfect world this would have worked out for both team.

Dames salary was 54.1 with the Bucks and his waived/stretch number was 22.5 or a 31.6 million difference.

POR
Dame 54.1
Kuzma 22.1

Bucks
Grant 32
Williams 13.2

Third Team TPE
Thybulle 11.5

Portland stays under the tax this year and next year to get off Grants awful deal in the third year.

While Grants contract is awful for the bucks it's better than dead money and gets use out of the last 2 years of dead money.

[ShootingtheJ]

Doubtful this could have happened with a Turner take it or leave it deal that was offered, but in a perfect world this would have worked out for both team.

Dames salary was 54.1 with the Bucks and his waived/stretch number was 22.5 or a 31.6 million difference.

POR
Dame 54.1
Kuzma 22.1

Bucks
Grant 32
Williams 13.2

Third Team TPE
Thybulle 11.5

Portland stays under the tax this year and next year to get off Grants awful deal in the third year.

While Grants contract is awful for the bucks it's better than dead money and gets use out of the last 2 years of dead money.

The interesting part would have been to stretch Grant. That would get spread out farther into the new TV deal.

In the end, I'd rather just have Turner.

[Dick Tate]

Dame was serious when he told the Bucks he wanted to rehab at home.

[raferfenix]

Are we underrating how likely a Wiggins trade is?

Bucks have been linked to him a number of times and recently at that.

[Bernman]

Why didn't the Bucks buy out Dame? We could have even worked this out to where PDX agrees to pay him this salary before we bought him out for that difference, of 28 for the next 2 yrs, then stretched him. Gotten more cap & salary relief actually that way.

[-Jragon-]

Blazers somehow now having both Dame and Jrue is pretty funny

This was their 3D chess plan all along lmao

[DingusBojangles]

So the set-off to our cap, from the Dame signing, I believe is half the difference between the per annum # & a minimum. So I think it amounts to 5 million more per the final 2 years of his original contract, to be applied starting next offseason.

It's not insignificant to be 5m lower the 2 following yrs for tax & apron purposes, especially when we had 22.5 per in dead cap. That's basically 17.5 now, until the final 2-3 yrs when it goes back up to 22.5.

Yeah I asked Smith if he could get the true figure yet, but this is what he had to say earlier this month.

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I think Smith missed/forgot about Article XXVII Section 5(a-c). The numbers Marks put out seem to be more accurate.

[ShootingtheJ]

Why didn't the Bucks buy out Dame? We could have even worked this out to where PDX agrees to pay him this salary before we bought him out for that difference, of 28 for the next 2 yrs, then stretched him. Gotten more cap & salary relief actually that way.

He'd have to agree to it, and we'd risk losing our element of surprise in the Turner deal.

[GoldenAntlers]

I don't see any evidence for him mailing it in. Dude made moves nobody on the board saw coming. Alien.

LOL you all have to admit that its suspicious that he points out that he is human.

Did anyone take a moment to realize he still has non-human moves, likely witchcraft, to still cast?

Humans can be witches too.

[Bernman]

Why didn't the Bucks buy out Dame? We could have even worked this out to where PDX agrees to pay him this salary before we bought him out for that difference, of 28 for the next 2 yrs, then stretched him. Gotten more cap & salary relief actually that way.

He'd have to agree to it, and we'd risk losing our element of surprise in the Turner deal.

Why wouldn't he agree to it, if he'd prefer to live/play in Portland, and the $ was equal? So that wasn't the issue.

They may have been going for element of surprise, but bidding against themselves. Turner got fair market value & only Brooklyn had real space. I don't think teams would have been scrambling for an s&t to pay him into the 30's, or do some big stretch like we did. Giannis sold him.

[TroyD92]

Trade Kuzma for anyone please

[Bernman]

Trade Kuzma for anyone please

No

[wisportsfan4]

Trade Kuzma for anyone please

No

Yes. Anyone.

[Bernman]

Trade Kuzma for anyone please

No

Yes. Anyone.

OK, you're right, let's burn our last 1sts w/out our core even set yet, or take on extra years of salary when the $'s gonna be tight, cuz emotion of not being able to watch a player until the trade deadline even, after a career worst year to boot. You've convinced me. It's a good strategy, now.

[old skool]

So the set-off to our cap, from the Dame signing, I believe is half the difference between the per annum # & a minimum. So I think it amounts to 5 million more per the final 2 years of his original contract, to be applied starting next offseason.

It's not insignificant to be 5m lower the 2 following yrs for tax & apron purposes, especially when we had 22.5 per in dead cap. That's basically 17.5 now, until the final 2-3 yrs when it goes back up to 22.5.

The right to setoff does not go into effect until the last day of the regular season and does not carry over into any future season. As a result it impacts the amount of luxury tax due, but has no practical impact on salary cap roster move restrictions. It doesn't help the Bucks trade or sign players because the salary cap calculation for the following year does not include any setoff amount until the final day of that regular season.

[BroncoBuck]

Why didn't the Bucks buy out Dame? We could have even worked this out to where PDX agrees to pay him this salary before we bought him out for that difference, of 28 for the next 2 yrs, then stretched him. Gotten more cap & salary relief actually that way.

They wouldn’t have been able to land Turner if word got out they were freeing up space with a Dame move. Dame’s agent would’ve leaked that info so fast to the rest of the league.

[ShootingtheJ]

Why didn't the Bucks buy out Dame? We could have even worked this out to where PDX agrees to pay him this salary before we bought him out for that difference, of 28 for the next 2 yrs, then stretched him. Gotten more cap & salary relief actually that way.

He'd have to agree to it, and we'd risk losing our element of surprise in the Turner deal.

Why wouldn't he agree to it, if he'd prefer to live/play in Portland, and the $ was equal? So that wasn't the issue.

They may have been going for element of surprise, but bidding against themselves. Turner got fair market value & only Brooklyn had real space. I don't think teams would have been scrambling for an s&t to pay him into the 30's, or do some big stretch like we did. Giannis sold him.

It's not equal money. The setoff is only a cap thing, he still gets all the actual money.

As for Turner, if Indiana new we could make an offer, they could have offered more. Pacers thought they had all the leverage.

[ShootingtheJ]

Hoping to hear more about a possible Devin Vassell trade.