Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Wargreymon]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Yeah…if this really is true then Masai deserved to get fired. Dear lord that is awful trade for a declining Holiday owed over 9 figures still

[Duffman100]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Yeah…if this really is true then Masai deserved to get fired. Dear lord that is awful trade for a declining Holiday owed over 9 figures still

I can't see this being true.

Boston chooses Simons and 2nds over RJ and the 9th?

Makes no sense so likely isn't the true story.

[mathgeek]

CMBs form and shot doesn't look too bad which is the main thing i'm focused on right now. We've seen flashes of what he can do defensively and why he was drafted so high. I hope they get him a shooting coach because with Scottie and Yak he will be parking on that corner 3 this year.

[manjusaka]

Defensively CMB and SB are going to be killer Bs. Offensively, CMB plays without the ball, makes the right decisions, he just needs to work on the open jumpers to spread the floor. He hit a 3 today and 3/4 FT. There is no question about the fit between the two IMO.

[OakleyDokely]

Last nights display backs up why CMB was such an analytical darling. 20/9/4/2, +22, 8-13 FG

[TimeForChange]

Props to Bobby for drafting this kid

Bobby is where he is because he's a CBA expert. Masai started as a scout. Masai insisted on sticking around until the draft, and made the initial call to CMB. Behind Masai of course is the highly respected Dan Tolzman as head of scouting.

So why, oh why, would you give credit to Bobby for this, or any draft? Please explain your reasoning.

Oh my sweet child. You’ve been brainwashed thinking Masai was responsible for every good decision and Bobby for every bad decision.

[causal_fan]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Yeah…if this really is true then Masai deserved to get fired. Dear lord that is awful trade for a declining Holiday owed over 9 figures still

I can't see this being true.

Boston chooses Simons and 2nds over RJ and the 9th?

Makes no sense so likely isn't the true story.

Boston is trying to move Simons, Raptors are trying to move Barrett. I see this story as Boston spinning that Simons is more valuable than Barrett.

[JCP11]

I know it's summer league and it doesn't count but I'm happy to see CMB launch 3s fearlessly and make some. Predraft I thought his shot wasn't as bad as some here made out to be. Too many overreacted at his combine shooting performance. Maluach did well in the combine drills and I don't think he's made a 3 yet in summer league. People lost their minds because CMB had a bad showing. I believe he has the right mindset and work ethic to improve his shot.

[Brinbe]

Potentially impacts winning at a high level. The type of player that teams send multiple 1st round picks trying to obtain.

Of course we have to see how his game plays against tougher/bigger/stronger/faster competition, how he acclimates to that and how that rookie whistle may spoil things a bit in the early going, but there's a lot to be excited about.

We wanted to come out of his draft with an exciting high-end young prospect to add to this core going forward and they accomplished that.

[Duffman100]

Yeah…if this really is true then Masai deserved to get fired. Dear lord that is awful trade for a declining Holiday owed over 9 figures still

I can't see this being true.

Boston chooses Simons and 2nds over RJ and the 9th?

Makes no sense so likely isn't the true story.

Boston is trying to move Simons, Raptors are trying to move Barrett. I see this story as Boston spinning that Simons is more valuable than Barrett.

Oh so you're saying Boston is putting out this 'story' in an attempt to gain share in the SG that don't play defense market?

I could see that. I could also see the source of this rumour being more around Derrick White and somehow he's been swapped with Holiday.

[Agimat]

meanwhile...

[HumbleRen]

I can't see this being true.

Boston chooses Simons and 2nds over RJ and the 9th?

Makes no sense so likely isn't the true story.

Boston is trying to move Simons, Raptors are trying to move Barrett. I see this story as Boston spinning that Simons is more valuable than Barrett.

Oh so you're saying Boston is putting out this 'story' in an attempt to gain share in the SG that don't play defense market?

I could see that. I could also see the source of this rumour being more around Derrick White and somehow he's been swapped with Holiday.

Think the trade was more so RJ/IQ and 9 for White and Jrue.

Boston clearly says no in that.

[Tripod]

I can't see this being true.

Boston chooses Simons and 2nds over RJ and the 9th?

Makes no sense so likely isn't the true story.

Boston is trying to move Simons, Raptors are trying to move Barrett. I see this story as Boston spinning that Simons is more valuable than Barrett.

Oh so you're saying Boston is putting out this 'story' in an attempt to gain share in the SG that don't play defense market?

I could see that. I could also see the source of this rumour being more around Derrick White and somehow he's been swapped with Holiday.

Yeah at least if it was for White...it makes way more sense.

No chance we were adding #9 to a 25 year old to add a 35 year old with longer term on his deal and a higher cap hit to go further into the tax.

It just isn't logical.

[RapsFanInVA]

CMB is very clearly a winning player. He looks like one of those guys you could throw onto any team and he'd figure out how to fit in and contribute in different ways. With a lot of ball dominant players on our roster, he's looking like a great pick at #9.

[bluerap23]

Boston is trying to move Simons, Raptors are trying to move Barrett. I see this story as Boston spinning that Simons is more valuable than Barrett.

Oh so you're saying Boston is putting out this 'story' in an attempt to gain share in the SG that don't play defense market?

I could see that. I could also see the source of this rumour being more around Derrick White and somehow he's been swapped with Holiday.

Yeah at least if it was for White...it makes way more sense.

No chance we were adding #9 to a 25 year old to add a 35 year old with longer term on his deal and a higher cap hit to go further into the tax.

It just isn't logical.

This is the deal that I've seen posted on reddit. White and Jrue for RJ, IQ and 9.

Back to the topic at hand - I'm glad we got this dude. CMB looks legit.

[CPT]

CMB is very clearly a winning player. He looks like one of those guys you could throw onto any team and he'd figure out how to fit in and contribute in different ways. With a lot of ball dominant players on our roster, he's looking like a great pick at #9.

I'm a big fan of overrating those types on other teams, so it sure would be nice to have one of our own!

[StopitLeo]

CMBs form and shot doesn't look too bad which is the main thing i'm focused on right now. We've seen flashes of what he can do defensively and why he was drafted so high. I hope they get him a shooting coach because with Scottie and Yak he will be parking on that corner 3 this year.

If mechanics look not broken then people often look at FT shooting as an indicator of potential improvement. CMB's FT shooting in college suggests his overall shooting can improve (.667 to .707 FT% over his two seasons). It's don't see why this won't carry over into the league based on his reported work ethic and how he talked about his shooting work in the draft. Honestly, it's about putting in the work to actually improve. I'm confident in the team's ability to support this—Scottie shot .621 in college and is at .761 in the NBA on free throws. Scottie's overall shooting has also improved and if you recall he was drafted with the same shooting concerns as CMB.

[ArthurVandelay]

CMB has hit a three in each game (if you include the one that dropped in his first game when he stepped on sideline).

Hope is the drug that gets me high on draft picks. If he gets to league average 3pt, it’s a game changer for him and the raptors,

[Jerry Lucas]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Yeah…if this really is true then Masai deserved to get fired. Dear lord that is awful trade for a declining Holiday owed over 9 figures still

I can't see this being true.

Boston chooses Simons and 2nds over RJ and the 9th?

Makes no sense so likely isn't the true story.

Because Jake Fischer is legit there is at least some level of truth in what he said. The problem is that what he said in this case was extremely nebulous and could be interpreted in so many different ways.

Personally, and other posters have already said this as well, I think the offer was something like IQ, RJ and 9 for White, Jrue and 28. Remember that Fischer had also reported Toronto didn't want to trade out of the 1st round completely if they moved #9 in a deal like this, only down.

[ash_k]

Curious to see him matching up against Jackson, Mobley and Chet. Just to see how he deals with all that length. Maybe that's the baby face, but he does look like he could lose a pound or two