Lowe/Oram then Shams: Dame back to Portland 3/$42m

[Troubadour]

Paid to rehab in Portland for a season, mentor the young players, and then see what happens in 26-27. Blazers aren't going anywhere in the next year or two, might as well.

[Norm2953]

It's a MLE contract

[BlazersBroncos]

Unreal, hate this move and why give him 42 ml?

The marketing value of bringing Dame back is going to be WELL over 42 million.

[penbeast0]

This year he doesn't play. Next year is when Portland's young guys (Scoot, Sharpe, Clingan) are expected to step up. If they don't, Lillard provides insurance. And, it's a nice gesture to the fans even if not particularly a step toward making the franchise relevant again.

[xdrta+]

Of interest to cap nerds. And $2.3M reduction in dead money might not seem like much, every bit of cap charge helps as the Bucks try to retool.

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[djFan71]

Feels like his could've been something around a Grant & Ayton for Dame basis instead of both teams paying guys to not play for them. Oh well.

[basketballwacko2]

Unreal, hate this move and why give him 42 ml?

Does this have any effect on the Bucks dead cap hit?

[Myth]

Unreal, hate this move and why give him 42 ml?

Does this have any effect on the Bucks dead cap hit?

Doesn’t seem like it. All reports I’ve heard indicate this is just additional money for him.

[basketballwacko2]

Unreal, hate this move and why give him 42 ml?

Does this have any effect on the Bucks dead cap hit?

Doesn’t seem like it. All reports I’ve heard indicate this is just additional money for him.

I found this in post #19 on this thread. Looks like a small effect.

Of interest to cap nerds. And $2.3M reduction in dead money might not seem like much, every bit of cap charge helps as the Bucks try to retool.

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[giberish]

A rare no-trade clause use here.

I believe the rule is you have to have played at least 4 of the last 8 years with the team giving the no-trade clause. Every instance I can think of has been a team resigning their own guy. I can't think of another case of a player getting a no-trade clause returning to an old team. Perhaps Lebron to Cleveland in 2014 (or did they not bother because being LeBron was all the NTC needed?)

[xdrta+]

A rare no-trade clause use here.

I believe the rule is you have to have played at least 4 of the last 8 years with the team giving the no-trade clause. Every instance I can think of has been a team resigning their own guy. I can't think of another case of a player getting a no-trade clause returning to an old team. Perhaps Lebron to Cleveland in 2014 (or did they not bother because being LeBron was all the NTC needed?)

The bolded is not the case. This is nothing new. A player just needs to have spent at least four seasons with that team at some point.

[Myth]

A rare no-trade clause use here.

I believe the rule is you have to have played at least 4 of the last 8 years with the team giving the no-trade clause. Every instance I can think of has been a team resigning their own guy. I can't think of another case of a player getting a no-trade clause returning to an old team. Perhaps Lebron to Cleveland in 2014 (or did they not bother because being LeBron was all the NTC needed?)

The bolded is not the case. This is nothing new. A player just needs to have spent at least four seasons with that team at some point.

I think he was mixing up that it is 4 years with the team and at least 8 years NBA experience.

[Scoot McGroot]

If his Portland salary is offsetting his Milwaukee salary, then why wouldn't he sign for the vet min?

yeah that is what I don't get. So maybe he did not have offset language in his contract?

Set off isn’t dollar for dollar. It’s half of what he makes over his vet minimum. That’s so that the player has an incentive in trying to maximize their earnings rather than just taking a vet minimum.

[giberish]

A rare no-trade clause use here.

I believe the rule is you have to have played at least 4 of the last 8 years with the team giving the no-trade clause. Every instance I can think of has been a team resigning their own guy. I can't think of another case of a player getting a no-trade clause returning to an old team. Perhaps Lebron to Cleveland in 2014 (or did they not bother because being LeBron was all the NTC needed?)

The bolded is not the case. This is nothing new. A player just needs to have spent at least four seasons with that team at some point.

I think he was mixing up that it is 4 years with the team and at least 8 years NBA experience.

I was pretty sure it was 4 of the last 8. Though that was a few CBA's ago so it might have changed (or I just read it from a source that had it wrong).

Either way it's still very rare for a team to get a NTC returning to an old club rather than resigning with their current team.

[xdrta+]

The bolded is not the case. This is nothing new. A player just needs to have spent at least four seasons with that team at some point.

I think he was mixing up that it is 4 years with the team and at least 8 years NBA experience.

I was pretty sure it was 4 of the last 8. Though that was a few CBA's ago so it might have changed (or I just read it from a source that had it wrong).

Either way it's still very rare for a team to get a NTC returning to an old club rather than resigning with their current team.

No-trade clauses are very rare in general. There have only been a dozen or so in NBA history.

[the_process]

If his Portland salary is offsetting his Milwaukee salary, then why wouldn't he sign for the vet min?

yeah that is what I don't get. So maybe he did not have offset language in his contract?

Set off isn’t dollar for dollar. It’s half of what he makes over his vet minimum. That’s so that the player has an incentive in trying to maximize their earnings rather than just taking a vet minimum.

So based on that, shouldn't Dame's salary this year be 62.5M?

And does MIL still have 22.5M dead money for the next five years or does that also go down slightly?

[Scoot McGroot]

yeah that is what I don't get. So maybe he did not have offset language in his contract?

Set off isn’t dollar for dollar. It’s half of what he makes over his vet minimum. That’s so that the player has an incentive in trying to maximize their earnings rather than just taking a vet minimum.

So based on that, shouldn't Dame's salary this year be 62.5M?

He’ll make extra, for sure. It’s not both salaries combined, though.

And does MIL still have 22.5M dead money for the next five years or does that also go down slightly?

After the season is over, the amount that Dame actually earns will be calculated, along with his set off amount, and that amount will lower the amount stretched for all 5 years of Dame’s stretch. The same will happen after next season, and the last 4 years will then be adjusted.

Milwaukee only has the right of set off for money earned during the original years Dame would’ve been under contract, or just this year and next. Any money earned those two seasons will then be used to adjust the future cap hits for Milwaukee.

[MartinToVaught]

Portland looks more and more like a serious team.

I disagree. They look like a directionless, rudderless ship. I get the nostalgia involved in bringing back Dame, but the contract is horrible and the move makes no sense from a basketball perspective. It feels like they did this to get the fanbase off their backs rather than having any sort of vision in mind for the team.

[MasterIchiro]

Portland looks more and more like a serious team.

I disagree. They look like a directionless, rudderless ship. I get the nostalgia involved in bringing back Dame, but the contract is horrible and the move makes no sense from a basketball perspective. It feels like they did this to get the fanbase off their backs rather than having any sort of vision in mind for the team.

I really love Avdija, Camara, Clingan, Yang. Scoot improved. Sharpe still has a high ceiling and did not bust. Jrue is still a defensive stalwart.

I think their front office is sneaky smart. Blazers fans should feel lucky. And Portland is a cool city with great weed!

[Billl]

I know a lot of blazers fans won't like this, but Dame isn't going to impact any of your young guards anyway. He's be out all season.

Scoot will have all year to prove he's a starting level pg and then you'll make a decision on the extension. Frankly, he hasn't looked like someone worth building around yet, but he's got another year to prove it one was or another.

Sharpe is already up for his extension and the team doesn't seem to be in a rush to commit to him. He's shown more than scoot, but 31% from 3 from from a scoring wing isn't going to cut it in the modern nba. He's likely get another season to show some progress there and make you want to commit to him as a RFA.

Personally, I don't think either of those guys are really the sort of high end talent you would want to build a team around. They may go out and prove me wrong this season, but they look more like role players than stars. You generally shouldn't make a bunch of long term decisions based on role players.