Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[northoakland510]

Kuminga is delusional and keeps getting terrible career advice from his agent and close friends.. The worst decision one can make is to overate yourself and getting greedy ...now he might have to play for much less and be out of the league in a few years...

The kid is getting horrible advice. You don't turn down $30 million a year when you haven't even proven you can play. And why does he constantly post these training videos where there are no other NBA players? Your way has worked why not switch some things up. Steph just posted a picture in the gym with Victor Oladipo and Davison Mitchell.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

Kuminga is delusional and keeps getting terrible career advice from his agent and close friends.. The worst decision one can make is to overate yourself and getting greedy ...now he might have to play for much less and be out of the league in a few years...

The kid is getting horrible advice. You don't turn down $30 million a year when you haven't even proven you can play. And why does he constantly post these training videos where there are no other NBA players? Your way has worked why not switch some things up. Steph just posted a picture in the gym with Victor Oladipo and Davison Mitchell.

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He's playing with steph, sga, and giannis in the gym. You just can't see it because kuminga is calling his own number.

[whatisacenter]

this thread is such a mess.

[SpreeS]

Now Kuminga is seeking 25mln/y and Phoenix is interesting in him.

O’Neale and Dunn + couple 2nd rnd picks and close mess

[bay2hk]

Now Kuminga is seeking 25mln/y and Phoenix is interesting in him.

O’Neale and Dunn + couple 2nd rnd picks and close mess

Warriors should offer $48m 3 years with PO in 3rd. If he doesn’t want to sign then let him take the QO. If he takes the QO then we can s&t next offseason to a team with no cap space.

Warriors don’t have to do anything. All the good FAs are gone so we’re in no rush. Al and melton aren’t in a rush to sign either.

[Onus]

We're all blaming Kuminga, but the other problem is that the stupid Nets are still something like $20 million under the luxury cap (not to mention almost $5 million under the minimum team salary) and still have an open roster spot. It's an effing Mexican standoff between the Dubs, Kuminga and the Nets.

If the Nets wanted him they could offer him $20M and GS would most likely match. If they wanted him badly enough they could do a S&T easily. The fact they drafted 5 guys and aren’t stashing any of them tells me all I need to know.

The problem is someone could trade a contract to the Nets to open up capspace. Is it likely someone wants JK that much, probably not but they're defending against that, which is fine since it seems like Horford and Melton are both willing to wait this out. IF they weren't willing to wait it out then maybe the front office would have some more urgency but it seems like all parties are willing to wait on jk.

[Onus]

Kuminga is delusional and keeps getting terrible career advice from his agent and close friends.. The worst decision one can make is to overate yourself and getting greedy ...now he might have to play for much less and be out of the league in a few years...

He really is getting terrible advice. He gambled away the security of 150/5 for an extra 25M over that time period, and now is looking at what is likely to be 50M loss over that time period. An extra 5M a year isn't going to change your lifestyle when you're making 30M a year. That's not even worth it to gamble that. I'm guessing that's why they're drawing the line at 25M a year since it would be an even spread of what they lost. Which just goes to show how juvenile this whole thing is

[ChuckDurn]

I’m seeing notes today that there is interest from the Bulls….. allegedly the Warriors had previously been interested in getting Lonzo via a sign-and-trade, but obviously he’s already been traded to Cleveland.

I have no interest in Vucevic, that would be a disgusting trade (plus he makes over $21M, so because of Kuminga’s BYC situation, mans we would need to add somebody like Buddy or Moody to make the $ work, so definitely a no-go from me).

I would definitely be interested in Coby White - makes $12.9M, so if they started Kuminga at about $26M, it would work from our side. Of if their offer is a little lower (say, $22M), I’d be comfortable adding Santos or TJD to make the money work for us. (Note: I haven’t checked how the imbalanced $ would work on the Chicago side.)

If we did get Coby, and then also got Melton, we would definitely need a roster-balancing trade. Too many playable guards (Curry, Podziemski, White, Hield, Melton), not enough forwards and centers. But if they were able to line something up, I’d be game to make that deal.

[Ray_Dogg]

Evan Sidery just tweeted that Warriors recently expressed interest in Keon Ellis who Kings have been keeping off limits. So another brick in the wall.

[EvanZ]

Evan Sidery just tweeted that Warriors recently expressed interest in Keon Ellis who Kings have been keeping off limits. So another brick in the wall.

The thick plottens.

[EvanZ]

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[EvanZ]

If I'm the Kings I absolutely don't trade Ellis for Kuminga. I was just hoping they were dumb enough not to realize this.

[Onus]

If I'm the Kings I absolutely don't trade Ellis for Kuminga. I was just hoping they were dumb enough not to realize this.

That’s why I said we should add a 1st. Then Ben Simmons becomes more of a priority so we have another wing defender on the bench or even Okogie.

[NW]

IMO, the Carter/Saric’ corpse was the lowball offer and Keegan Murray was the highball counter by GS. The meet in the middle was always Ellis. I imagine the pending free agency of Ellis is the sticking point

[vvoland]

Kuminga is delusional and keeps getting terrible career advice from his agent and close friends.. The worst decision one can make is to overate yourself and getting greedy ...now he might have to play for much less and be out of the league in a few years...

He really is getting terrible advice. He gambled away the security of 150/5 for an extra 25M over that time period, and now is looking at what is likely to be 50M loss over that time period. An extra 5M a year isn't going to change your lifestyle when you're making 30M a year. That's not even worth it to gamble that. I'm guessing that's why they're drawing the line at 25M a year since it would be an even spread of what they lost. Which just goes to show how juvenile this whole thing is

I'm not sure it'll be anywhere near that. If it really was a 5/150, decent chance it was something like 24/27/30/33/36. So 51M in the next two years. There's a decent chance he gets pretty close to that number (~45M) on this deal and gets to UFA at 24, not 27. If it was 5/130, it was probably be 20/23 in the first two years. If it came with team option(s), they weren't that wrong to reject it.

He had a nightmare season, got hurt, lost his spot multiple times, and ended the season getting dnp-cds. He is still looking at ~20M/yr over the next two years as a fairly likely outcome.

[GSWFan1994]

Let's say we re-sign Kuminga. When does the BYC waiting period is over? December? Or does he has to play the full season for it to end?

Going forward, I think the best path would be to re-sign him just to keep the asset, then flip him when it's allowed. If we are patient it could be better in the long term, better options could materialize.

[AirP.]

If I'm the Kings I absolutely don't trade Ellis for Kuminga. I was just hoping they were dumb enough not to realize this.

There is that little thing of Ellis just deciding to be a FA next summer because Sacramento picked up his team option instead of declining it, making him an RFA and extending him this year. Nobody other than Brooklyn had big money to throw at Ellis. Keon Ellis' team can negotiate an extension this season but he can just say no and go be a UFA.

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You can read a little more about it and what his max extension can be here.

[vvoland]

If I'm the Kings I absolutely don't trade Ellis for Kuminga. I was just hoping they were dumb enough not to realize this.

There is that little thing of Ellis just deciding to be a FA next summer because Sacramento picked up his team option instead of declining it, making him an RFA and extending him this year. Nobody other than Brooklyn had big money to throw at Ellis. Keon Ellis' team can negotiate an extension this season but he can just say no and go be a UFA.

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I'm very confused. Why wouldn't the kings decline the option and make him an RFA? His QO must be super low, he hasn't really made much money in the league, and there is no money in the market right now. I doubt he'd get more than the NTMLE as an offer sheet, especially now. They could lock him in for 5/70 or something like that, how does he turn that down to play on 1yr/5M?

[GS Warriors 1]

Let's say we re-sign Kuminga. When does the BYC waiting period is over? December? Or does he has to play the full season for it to end?

Going forward, I think the best path would be to re-sign him just to keep the asset, then flip him when it's allowed. If we are patient it could be better in the long term, better options could materialize.

December 15.

[EvanZ]

If I'm the Kings I absolutely don't trade Ellis for Kuminga. I was just hoping they were dumb enough not to realize this.

There is that little thing of Ellis just deciding to be a FA next summer because Sacramento picked up his team option instead of declining it, making him an RFA and extending him this year. Nobody other than Brooklyn had big money to throw at Ellis. Keon Ellis' team can negotiate an extension this season but he can just say no and go be a UFA.

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I'm very confused. Why wouldn't the kings decline the option and make him an RFA? His QO must be super low, he hasn't really made much money in the league, and there is no money in the market right now. I doubt he'd get more than the NTMLE as an offer sheet, especially now. They could lock him in for 5/70 or something like that, how does he turn that down to play on 1yr/5M?

Read the article link he posted. It explains the calculus.