Kuminga to Suns

[jredsaz]

If it’s for Grayson I file this under sure why the hell not for the Suns. The suns need some upside as their team is completely mortgaged to hell


Green/Booker/Kuminga/williams


Hey it could be a play in team?

TBH I don't think it could be a play in team. Probably 35 wins as the over/under and I would take under.

I think it’s more of a sure we’re screwed why not. They bank on the 1% Kuminga becomes a star

I think kuminga is getting underrated on the board. GS is a tough place to play if you can’t fit with Steph/Draymond and that system. Not sure he will ever be an all star level player but it’s a great bet for the Suns.

[KdoubleDees23]

TBH I don't think it could be a play in team. Probably 35 wins as the over/under and I would take under.

I think it’s more of a sure we’re screwed why not. They bank on the 1% Kuminga becomes a star

I think kuminga is getting underrated on the board. GS is a tough place to play if you can’t fit with Steph/Draymond and that system. Not sure he will ever be an all star level player but it’s a great bet for the Suns.

Green
Booker
Kuminga
Brooks
Williams

If healthy and get Brogdon coming off the bench with

Gillespie
Brogdan
Nigel Hayes
Dunn
Richards

then

Maluach, OSO , Fleming

that team can shock you and win some games

[jredsaz]

Allen is a better player. I'd have GSW owing value to turn a guy they don't want to pay into him. We can assign some value to them helping the Suns get Kuminga, but I think they still owe on top of that.

But admittedly I consistently value Allen more than most on this board.

If I’m the Suns I include Richard’s and a second. Allen is the better player and this is a S&T but it’s a bet I would love the Suns to take. Jalen Green is a similar situation. Suns don’t have picks to trade so betting on young upside talent makes sense imo.

[jredsaz]

think this puts phoenix back into the tax? more pieces need to be included. they should reset the penalties this year

I do wonder about this. If they trade for Kuminga it’s going to be extremely difficult to stay out of the tax. Ishbia clearly is willing to spend and maybe he thinks Kuminga is worth it? Hard to pivot away from resetting the repeater tax.

[zimpy27]

think this puts phoenix back into the tax? more pieces need to be included. they should reset the penalties this year

I do wonder about this. If they trade for Kuminga it’s going to be extremely difficult to stay out of the tax. Ishbia clearly is willing to spend and maybe he thinks Kuminga is worth it? Hard to pivot away from resetting the repeater tax.

It does put them in the tax and it means they stay a repeater. Of course they have to duck tax for 2 seasons in a row to rest the repeater. Maybe they never planned to do this though I think they should financially.

3 years above the apron and 2 years below the tax in cycles seems like the smart thing to do to me.


Ultimately though, Suns can go in to tax and be just under 1st apron to start the season, then they can make a move to duck tax by deadline if they want to.

[jredsaz]

think this puts phoenix back into the tax? more pieces need to be included. they should reset the penalties this year

I do wonder about this. If they trade for Kuminga it’s going to be extremely difficult to stay out of the tax. Ishbia clearly is willing to spend and maybe he thinks Kuminga is worth it? Hard to pivot away from resetting the repeater tax.

It does put them in the tax and it means they stay a repeater. Of course they have to duck tax for 2 seasons in a row to rest the repeater. Maybe they never planned to do this though I think they should financially.

3 years above the apron and 2 years below the tax in cycles seems like the smart thing to do to me.


Ultimately though, Suns can go in to tax and be just under 1st apron to start the season, then they can make a move to duck tax by deadline if they want to.

Do the Warriors still have the Kyle Anderson TPE? If so, the Suns can offer Allen, Richards, and OSO or 2nds and they can make it work for the BYC and clear more salary to be closer to the tax line.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Kuminga and Jalen Green on the same roster would sure suck but they might do it.

[hcsilla]

I like Kuminga's length and atleticism but I't risky to hand-out a big contract for him, especially that the Suns already have a logjam at SF with Brooks, Dunn, O'Neale and Hayes-Davis.

[Fo-Real]

I like Kuminga's length and atleticism but I't risky to hand-out a big contract for him, especially that the Suns already have a logjam at SF with Brooks, Dunn, O'Neale and Hayes-Davis.

Is Kuminga not a pf?

[gswhoops]

I like Kuminga's length and atleticism but I't risky to hand-out a big contract for him, especially that the Suns already have a logjam at SF with Brooks, Dunn, O'Neale and Hayes-Davis.

Is Kuminga not a pf?

Yeah, he's much more of a 4 than a 3 at this point.

[hcsilla]

I like Kuminga's length and atleticism but I't risky to hand-out a big contract for him, especially that the Suns already have a logjam at SF with Brooks, Dunn, O'Neale and Hayes-Davis.

Is Kuminga not a pf?

Yeah, he's much more of a 4 than a 3 at this point.

What makes him a PF other than being undersized, having no PF skills and GSW putting hm there?

[jredsaz]

Is Kuminga not a pf?

Yeah, he's much more of a 4 than a 3 at this point.

What makes him a PF other than being undersized, having no PF skills and GSW putting hm there?

Kuminga is a wing. Suns now have some options playing a double big lineup but if Kuminga gets traded to the Suns he would be their starting 4.

[jredsaz]

I like Kuminga's length and atleticism but I't risky to hand-out a big contract for him, especially that the Suns already have a logjam at SF with Brooks, Dunn, O'Neale and Hayes-Davis.

Is Kuminga not a pf?

Yeah, he's much more of a 4 than a 3 at this point.

You think the Suns could make a reasonable offer for Kuminga? Something the Warriors would value?

[ChuckDurn]

How does this work with Kuminga’s BYC status?

Kuminga’s first-year salary would have to be about $25.3 million to have it work on the Warriors’ side, or other players would have to be involved. His outgoing salary counts for only half (i.e. about $12.6M), which they’d then be able to receive 125% + $100k of that number…… which gets you to Allen’s salary.

[xdrta+]

How does this work with Kuminga’s BYC status?

Kuminga’s first-year salary would have to be about $25.3 million to have it work on the Warriors’ side, or other players would have to be involved. His outgoing salary counts for only half (i.e. about $12.6M), which they’d then be able to receive 125% + $100k of that number…… which gets you to Allen’s salary.

That's not how it works anymore. Outgoing salary up to $29M can bring back the outgoing salary plus about $8.5M.

[Crives]

Grayson Allen would fit in the klay role really nicely in GS. Oneale feels like a Kerr player, good defender, ok shooter, good passer.

[hcsilla]

Yeah, he's much more of a 4 than a 3 at this point.

What makes him a PF other than being undersized, having no PF skills and GSW putting hm there?

Kuminga is a wing. Suns now have some options playing a double big lineup but if Kuminga gets traded to the Suns he would be their starting 4.

Kuminga is no more of a PF than Dunn or Hayes-Davis, Kuminga is not a PF, mever was, never will be, so pretending he is one and trading for him because he is, would be very stupid from the Suns, IMO.

[Fo-Real]

What makes him a PF other than being undersized, having no PF skills and GSW putting hm there?

Kuminga is a wing. Suns now have some options playing a double big lineup but if Kuminga gets traded to the Suns he would be their starting 4.

Kuminga is no more of a PF than Dunn or Hayes-Davis, Kuminga is not a PF, mever was, never will be, so pretending he is one and trading for him because he is, would be very stupid from the Suns, IMO.

Then the Suns are building an entire team of Sg's, Sf's and a few C's. Visionary........ I THINK NOT!!!
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[NW]

Grayson Allen would fit in the klay role really nicely in GS. Oneale feels like a Kerr player, good defender, ok shooter, good passer.

Both would be solid fits skillwise, but it'd be near impossible financially. They make too much. GS would have to throw Hield and or Moody in a deal to a third team and they'd still likely be hard capped at the first apron and struggle to fill out the rest of the team