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Post#41 » by AI_Efficiency » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:42 am

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mjkvol wrote:IMO you're shilling way too hard. I've seen the competitiveness, physical play, rim protection, and rebounding. But "elite positional playmaker"? I think you're reaching big time there.

I guess we'll see.


3.4 assists per-36 is pretty insane for a C.

I’m an Alabama fan so I ended up seeing a decent amount of Broome’s games. He’s pretty good at knowing where the ball should go when he’s backing someone down and help comes. I think in the nba though that skill might be offset somewhat because teams won’t need to rush to double him like they did in college. His game is very back to the basket, and that’s fine for the embiid’s / Jokic’s of the world to play that way sometimes, but not sure how much he can do it here. He might struggle with the length and speed of nba guys.
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Post#42 » by mjkvol » Sun Jun 29, 2025 1:39 pm

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mjkvol wrote:IMO you're shilling way too hard. I've seen the competitiveness, physical play, rim protection, and rebounding. But "elite positional playmaker"? I think you're reaching big time there.

I guess we'll see.


3.4 assists per-36 is pretty insane for a C.

I’m an Alabama fan so I ended up seeing a decent amount of Broome’s games. He’s pretty good at knowing where the ball should go when he’s backing someone down and help comes. I think in the nba though that skill might be offset somewhat because teams won’t need to rush to double him like they did in college. His game is very back to the basket, and that’s fine for the embiid’s / Jokic’s of the world to play that way sometimes, but not sure how much he can do it here. He might struggle with the length and speed of nba guys.


That's exactly my observation as well having seen him a lot the last three seasons. An undersized, primarily low post 5 who isn't going to be able to command the doubles he routinely got in college, where he got a ton of assists with Baker-Mazara, Pettiford, Jones, and Kelly feasting on open 3's.

If he can learn to play out of the high post and off short rolls, his court vision might come into play. That and his ability to hit FT's and become somewhat of a threat from the perimeter are going to determine how much success he has at this level.
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Post#43 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:03 pm

I wish there was a quick and easy way to do a deep dive on the correlation between guys who've succeeded in the NBA after having a 30%+ usage on a team with a 80%+ win percentage.

On the surface level, it seems like a no-brainer to me that Broome is going to have a killer positive impact. I expect all his plus/minus numbers to be killer at the NBA level.
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Post#45 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:37 pm

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Post#46 » by MVP1992 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:48 pm

Stanford wrote::uhoh:


Oh ok. Sorry.
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Post#47 » by mjkvol » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I wish there was a quick and easy way to do a deep dive on the correlation between guys who've succeeded in the NBA after having a 30%+ usage on a team with a 80%+ win percentage.

On the surface level, it seems like a no-brainer to me that Broome is going to have a killer positive impact. I expect all his plus/minus numbers to be killer at the NBA level.


"On the surface level" is the key phrase. Using that logic, it's kind of shocking how many players who killed it numbers-wise in college over the years didn't translate that level of success in the NBA.

I don't do the deep stats dives that you guys do here, and although I totally respect many of your opinions and the work you put in, and it definitely helps shape my perception of prospects, it's the eye-test that rarely seems to lie.

Broome pounded on college bigs and constantly commanded doubles, especially in his last two seasons at Auburn, and being surrounded by excellent 3-pt. shooters, his numbers soared. It drove me nuts when UT played Auburn, as I would be pleading with Barnes to play him straight up and live with his tough 2's and free throw attempts.

Just an aside, but one of my pet peeves watching college hoops is allowing wide open 3's, when they along with turnovers becoming transition points are what create killer runs. UT beat Kentucky in the Sweet 16 by taking away the 3-point line and making them make tough 2's, something you don't see enough of IMO. Teams that limit turnovers while creating them defensively and don't allow high 3 pt. %'s will never be out of a game.
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Post#48 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 30, 2025 7:15 am

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Kobblehead wrote:
mjkvol wrote:IMO you're shilling way too hard. I've seen the competitiveness, physical play, rim protection, and rebounding. But "elite positional playmaker"? I think you're reaching big time there.

I guess we'll see.


3.4 assists per-36 is pretty insane for a C.

I’m an Alabama fan so I ended up seeing a decent amount of Broome’s games. He’s pretty good at knowing where the ball should go when he’s backing someone down and help comes. I think in the nba though that skill might be offset somewhat because teams won’t need to rush to double him like they did in college. His game is very back to the basket, and that’s fine for the embiid’s / Jokic’s of the world to play that way sometimes, but not sure how much he can do it here. He might struggle with the length and speed of nba guys.


He’d be used the same way I envisioned John Collins or Siakam if they played for our team, which I proposed years ago, as a big who can screen for our guards but also punish smaller defenders on switches. And if the defense doesn’t switch, all four of our guards can either shoot over a big playing drop or blow past him.
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Post#49 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:08 pm

People are down on Broome for a few reasons, and his outside shooting is one of them. Never forget Paul Reed was here and never forget the hype around his outside shot developing. Reed might have the ugliest looking shot I have ever seen in the league. Broome looks like Ray Allen compared to Reed shooting the basketball. I personally think he can develop a legitimate outside shot. He's never going to knock down 10 in a game, but he'll keep a defense honest. You hope he can at least be Draymond from outside, I think he might do a bit better. Release is a bit slow...Not PJ Tucker slow, but slow so he'll need time to get it off, but at least he's not scared to take them.
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Post#50 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:36 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:People are down on Broome for a few reasons, and his outside shooting is one of them. Never forget Paul Reed was here and never forget the hype around his outside shot developing. Reed might have the ugliest looking shot I have ever seen in the league. Broome looks like Ray Allen compared to Reed shooting the basketball. I personally think he can develop a legitimate outside shot. He's never going to knock down 10 in a game, but he'll keep a defense honest. You hope he can at least be Draymond from outside, I think he might do a bit better. Release is a bit slow...Not PJ Tucker slow, but slow so he'll need time to get it off, but at least he's not scared to take them.


If he can provide at least Draymond level 3PT shooting then he'll be a good player for us.
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Post#51 » by HotelVitale » Tue Jul 1, 2025 9:04 pm

mjkvol wrote:
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Murray_17 wrote:I have zero idea about the kid but i'm confused by this thread.

Some people are saying he can bring rim protection and then he's compared to Greg Monroe and Sabonis. :lol: :lol:


Which is understandable.

Broome is a great positional playmaker. So it's only natural to compare him to other point-Cs. However, a common denominator of a lot of those point Cs is a lack of ability to protect the rim.

That said, despite his lack of athleticism and length, Broome has elite shot-contesting timing and has proven to be a great shotblocker (ulike pretty much ALL of the playmaking, non-shotblocking Cs he's being compared to).

Maybe I'm shilling too goddamn hard for Broome, but I see an elite positional playmaker that is also a great rebounder and shotblocker. This MFer is an amazing player, in my eyes, I dunno.


IMO you're shilling way too hard. I've seen the competitiveness, physical play, rim protection, and rebounding. But "elite positional playmaker"? I think you're reaching big time there.

I guess we'll see.


He actually looks like kind of a sweet passer. Agree that 'elite playmaker' might be overstating things but it's definitely one of his hidden prospect strengths, and should shine better in the NBA than at Auburn.
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Post#52 » by Arsenal » Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:12 am

This guy was a hidden sharpshooter. Seriously bombing from 3PT. Hell, start him at PF.
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Post#53 » by phillynative » Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:43 pm

Arsenal wrote:This guy was a hidden sharpshooter. Seriously bombing from 3PT. Hell, start him at PF.


Will he be able to defend NBA PF's ? probably not.
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Post#54 » by Sixersftw » Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:46 pm

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Arsenal wrote:This guy was a hidden sharpshooter. Seriously bombing from 3PT. Hell, start him at PF.


Will he be able to defend NBA PF's ? probably not.

No probably to it. He's looked more interesting in the last 3 games but he's still slow as ****.
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Post#55 » by Arsenal » Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:50 pm

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Arsenal wrote:This guy was a hidden sharpshooter. Seriously bombing from 3PT. Hell, start him at PF.


Will he be able to defend NBA PF's ? probably not.


What PFs? Giannis? It’s more about if he can switch and hold his own.
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Post#56 » by phillynative » Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:56 pm

Arsenal wrote:
phillynative wrote:
Arsenal wrote:This guy was a hidden sharpshooter. Seriously bombing from 3PT. Hell, start him at PF.


Will he be able to defend NBA PF's ? probably not.


What PFs? Giannis? It’s more about if he can switch and hold his own.


Switch? He can't stay in front of anyone.
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Post#57 » by youngcrev » Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:21 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Which is understandable.

Broome is a great positional playmaker. So it's only natural to compare him to other point-Cs. However, a common denominator of a lot of those point Cs is a lack of ability to protect the rim.

That said, despite his lack of athleticism and length, Broome has elite shot-contesting timing and has proven to be a great shotblocker (ulike pretty much ALL of the playmaking, non-shotblocking Cs he's being compared to).

Maybe I'm shilling too goddamn hard for Broome, but I see an elite positional playmaker that is also a great rebounder and shotblocker. This MFer is an amazing player, in my eyes, I dunno.


IMO you're shilling way too hard. I've seen the competitiveness, physical play, rim protection, and rebounding. But "elite positional playmaker"? I think you're reaching big time there.

I guess we'll see.


He actually looks like kind of a sweet passer. Agree that 'elite playmaker' might be overstating things but it's definitely one of his hidden prospect strengths, and should shine better in the NBA than at Auburn.


Agreed that he's a good passer, disagree that it was a hidden quality or one that will shine better in the NBA.

The passing won't be what holds him back from being an offensive hub type big, it's the lack of ability to create advantages for the offense for himself and force the defense to come help. He's clearly not blowing by anyone and outside of having a guard switched on him, isn't a good enough post threat to feed.

It could be useful in some short roll or DHO situations. I think his ability to be a useful role player hinges on whether he can a legit stretch big and how well he can hang defensively. If he can shoot, rebound, and not be a defensive liability, anything else he gives is a bonus.

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