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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#81 » by Peak Brunson » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:40 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Why the hell do people rag on Embiid so much?

I don’t understand it at all. He’s been elite every second he’s had 2 functional legs. I understand his frustration. I think a lot of fans don’t understand his sense of humor or personality and misread it as arrogance. Typical for Americans to not relate at all to Cameroonian/African immigrants.

He is very confident, smart and competitive. Sometimes he does make aggressive fouls, but he also dives for loose balls. I always found his hustle admirable considering his injury history and size.

To me, his rehab as a rookie itself was remarkable. Could’ve easily had an Oden career with any worse work ethic and luck. Working your way out of chronic foot and knee injuries with an agile 7/300 frame?

“Fans” are toxic AF.


I think Oden had worse body issues to be fair, I think he had a shorter leg, looked less smooth on the court and his condition just looked more degenerative from the start.
Embiid actually had weird injuries at times not related to just one place, like facial injuries in two playoff years like wtf. His injuries were actually more similar to Anthony Davis in a way, except this last year of course. But it was ok in his <30 y.o career.
I think people overrate this "injury-free Embiid" thing, he was legit much worse in playoffs, non related to his injuries.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#82 » by MrSparkle » Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:48 pm

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MrSparkle wrote:Why the hell do people rag on Embiid so much?

I don’t understand it at all. He’s been elite every second he’s had 2 functional legs. I understand his frustration. I think a lot of fans don’t understand his sense of humor or personality and misread it as arrogance. Typical for Americans to not relate at all to Cameroonian/African immigrants.

He is very confident, smart and competitive. Sometimes he does make aggressive fouls, but he also dives for loose balls. I always found his hustle admirable considering his injury history and size.

To me, his rehab as a rookie itself was remarkable. Could’ve easily had an Oden career with any worse work ethic and luck. Working your way out of chronic foot and knee injuries with an agile 7/300 frame?

“Fans” are toxic AF.


I think Oden had worse body issues to be fair, I think he had a shorter leg, looked less smooth on the court and his condition just looked more degenerative from the start.
Embiid actually had weird injuries at times not related to just one place, like facial injuries in two playoff years like wtf.


He also ran into alcoholism in his 2nd season. Not to take away from Oden perhaps having more severe injuries (and higher expectations), but drinking any alcohol at all in a redshirt/rehab process would be disastrous not just for physical recovery but also mental.

Injuries do derail careers, but you look at guys like Rose, Grant Hill, Livingston, Lonzo(!), even Eric Gordon who made comebacks from what should have been career-ending strings of injuries. It's disingenuous to disregard Embiid's journey. The guy missed 2 entire years of his rookie contract with stress fractures and setbacks, most his 3rd season, and then signed a max contract with injury clauses, and straight up dominated the next 7 years with perennial MVP contention.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#83 » by Peak Brunson » Fri Jul 18, 2025 9:27 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
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MrSparkle wrote:Why the hell do people rag on Embiid so much?

I don’t understand it at all. He’s been elite every second he’s had 2 functional legs. I understand his frustration. I think a lot of fans don’t understand his sense of humor or personality and misread it as arrogance. Typical for Americans to not relate at all to Cameroonian/African immigrants.

He is very confident, smart and competitive. Sometimes he does make aggressive fouls, but he also dives for loose balls. I always found his hustle admirable considering his injury history and size.

To me, his rehab as a rookie itself was remarkable. Could’ve easily had an Oden career with any worse work ethic and luck. Working your way out of chronic foot and knee injuries with an agile 7/300 frame?

“Fans” are toxic AF.


I think Oden had worse body issues to be fair, I think he had a shorter leg, looked less smooth on the court and his condition just looked more degenerative from the start.
Embiid actually had weird injuries at times not related to just one place, like facial injuries in two playoff years like wtf.


He also ran into alcoholism in his 2nd season. Not to take away from Oden perhaps having more severe injuries (and higher expectations), but drinking any alcohol at all in a redshirt/rehab process would be disastrous not just for physical recovery but also mental.

Injuries do derail careers, but you look at guys like Rose, Grant Hill, Livingston, Lonzo(!), even Eric Gordon who made comebacks from what should have been career-ending strings of injuries. It's disingenuous to disregard Embiid's journey. The guy missed 2 entire years of his rookie contract with stress fractures and setbacks, most his 3rd season, and then signed a max contract with injury clauses, and straight up dominated the next 7 years with perennial MVP contention.


Yeah, I think the main caveat with people is obviously his playoff performance.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#84 » by magee » Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:06 pm

Sealab2024 wrote:
magee wrote:
magee wrote:So he is an emotionally stunted 31 year old man.


We all have our faults.


Not to nitpick but somehow the quoting got real messed up here. That quote attributed to me was actually a response to my only post in this thread and you've also made it look like you're responding to yourself.


Oh weird! I messed up when I was trying to shorten the quote. Sorry about that.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#85 » by Sealab2024 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:56 am

I mean...

It's a hard knock life
For us.

Instead of kisses we get kicked
Instead of treats, we get tricked.
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Post#86 » by GiannisAnte34 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:03 am

article felt corny reading it, knowing all the trolling and deflecting Embiid has done
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Post#87 » by Marrs-Law » Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:41 am

Thank you for posting the article OP.

I don't get the reactions to this piece on this board. "Drakeem" expressed my thoughts almost perfectly. The lack of empathy (which doesn't mean you have to like him!) is disappointing. If you don't get it, take out the personal failing of "immaturity" and put in something like "addiction" and I hope you'll maybe understand a little better, if that makes sense.
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Post#88 » by jokeboy86 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:30 am

Takeaways after reading the article:

Embiid like most of the human race needed therapy in his life and thankfully Jameer Nelson steered him towards that recently. I know its very hard for people to have empathy towards anybody who makes millions of dollars when most of the population is either poor or barely working class but mental health can affect everyone no matter who they are. It sounds like Embiid has never really had anybody in his life he could trust and it also sounds like he may have been raised around toxic masculinity which has and continues to have an effect on a large majority of the male population and cause of that it explains why he feels he has to harden himself to such an extent.

The other takeaway is something I already knew and didnt need Embiid to say it is the 76ers franchise is a s**** show and has basically been one for the majority of the past 30 something years even through different owners if you really think about it. Embiid's lack of faith in them is warranted considering their history. But that being said I can only have so much sympathy for Embiid because he's aware the Sixers are a clown show, has had an acrimonious relationship and may or may not have faith in him but stays with the team and has no problem continuing to take their money. From the article it sounds like the relationship between the Sixers and Embiid should've ended years ago but neither side wants to end it. Sixers dont want to have to go through another "process" hoping to get a generational star and Embiid likes the contracts they're willing to give him. This is when you realize that words like "culture" really matter in organizations and doesnt necessarily strictly have to do with being a contender all the time. If ownership and management is consistently out of whack and incompetent, it can truly hamper a franchise no matter if they have elite players or not.

I think eventually Embiid is going to get to the point Andrew Luck and many other athletes arrive at and just become utterly exhausted with yearly rehab and recovery and just call it quits even with the large amount of future money he would be leaving on the table. I dont know how someone like Grant Hill(mentioned in the piece) mustered up the mental energy to just keep rehabbing and continue to try and play cause its clearly taxing on the psyche of the athletes who have to deal with it.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#89 » by Marrs-Law » Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:40 am

jokeboy86 wrote:Embiid like most of the human race needed therapy in his life and thankfully Jameer Nelson steered him towards that recently.


It might help a little bit but I don't think Embiid is going to be fixing his core psychological issues for a long time. When outsiders tell him things that contradict his experience of life, he rejects the outsiders, and that likely will extend to therapy. And you can't learn what you need to from therapy if you reject everything that is uncomfortable or threatens your worldview.

I hope I'm wrong, but until Embiid realizes that the problem is him and his worldview I don't know how much he can grow. and he has 100s of millions to keep him from hitting that point
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Post#90 » by maverick_41 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:11 am

I have nothing against Embiid for his lack of success in the playoffs. T-Mac never reached the second round (as A-list star) but he is well respected.

I have nothing against Embiid for him being vocal about everything he thinks about. Seems like he cares.

I just can't watch him running into McBride and falling like he has just collided with a train. His non-stop flopping AND occasional inexcusable dirty plays - these what makes him a pathetic villain.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#91 » by LordCovington33 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:33 am

MrSparkle wrote:
Peak Brunson wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:Why the hell do people rag on Embiid so much?

I don’t understand it at all. He’s been elite every second he’s had 2 functional legs. I understand his frustration. I think a lot of fans don’t understand his sense of humor or personality and misread it as arrogance. Typical for Americans to not relate at all to Cameroonian/African immigrants.

He is very confident, smart and competitive. Sometimes he does make aggressive fouls, but he also dives for loose balls. I always found his hustle admirable considering his injury history and size.

To me, his rehab as a rookie itself was remarkable. Could’ve easily had an Oden career with any worse work ethic and luck. Working your way out of chronic foot and knee injuries with an agile 7/300 frame?

“Fans” are toxic AF.


I think Oden had worse body issues to be fair, I think he had a shorter leg, looked less smooth on the court and his condition just looked more degenerative from the start.
Embiid actually had weird injuries at times not related to just one place, like facial injuries in two playoff years like wtf.


He also ran into alcoholism in his 2nd season. Not to take away from Oden perhaps having more severe injuries (and higher expectations), but drinking any alcohol at all in a redshirt/rehab process would be disastrous not just for physical recovery but also mental.

Injuries do derail careers, but you look at guys like Rose, Grant Hill, Livingston, Lonzo(!), even Eric Gordon who made comebacks from what should have been career-ending strings of injuries. It's disingenuous to disregard Embiid's journey. The guy missed 2 entire years of his rookie contract with stress fractures and setbacks, most his 3rd season, and then signed a max contract with injury clauses, and straight up dominated the next 7 years with perennial MVP contention.


He ran into alcoholism? The first I am hearing of this… source? Link?
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#92 » by MrSparkle » Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:36 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:
Peak Brunson wrote:
I think Oden had worse body issues to be fair, I think he had a shorter leg, looked less smooth on the court and his condition just looked more degenerative from the start.
Embiid actually had weird injuries at times not related to just one place, like facial injuries in two playoff years like wtf.


He also ran into alcoholism in his 2nd season. Not to take away from Oden perhaps having more severe injuries (and higher expectations), but drinking any alcohol at all in a redshirt/rehab process would be disastrous not just for physical recovery but also mental.

Injuries do derail careers, but you look at guys like Rose, Grant Hill, Livingston, Lonzo(!), even Eric Gordon who made comebacks from what should have been career-ending strings of injuries. It's disingenuous to disregard Embiid's journey. The guy missed 2 entire years of his rookie contract with stress fractures and setbacks, most his 3rd season, and then signed a max contract with injury clauses, and straight up dominated the next 7 years with perennial MVP contention.


He ran into alcoholism? The first I am hearing of this… source? Link?


https://www.slamonline.com/archives/greg-oden-says-he-became-an-alcoholic-in-his-second-nba-season/
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#93 » by Sgt Major » Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:51 am

He's always nice with words, humble, compassionate... Then he goes to the floor and hurts other players, flops like a fish in the sun, ducks big games, goes hard against irrelevant teams, boosts up stats during garbage time and so on.
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Post#94 » by Ticket » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:09 pm

I have no problem sympathizing with any player that goes through personal issues or life crises.

I have zero sympathy for players that are dirty af on the court – regardless of flopping or being a petulant child



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Post#95 » by JM00n69 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:21 pm

I'd already forgotten about him. Is he still playing? Thought he was done after playing his 200 or whatever games it was over his career.
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Post#96 » by firedavidkahn » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:40 pm

Stop the blatant flopping and people would respect you a lot more, Joel.

Such a crazy talented player that has ruined his reputation because he loves to flop more than anyone else. He would still just be as dominant if he didn't flop.
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Post#97 » by LeBronSpaghetti » Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:18 pm

UglyBugBall wrote:
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At Embiid's best, there's no one to compare him to. Not Nikola Jokic or Luka Doncic or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, who for all their offensive gifts can't turn the interior of the defense into a black hole. Not Giannis Antetokounmpo or Anthony Davis, who for all their versatility can't ascend into a trance of pure jump shooting.


Lol


At his peak Embiid is better than those guys, including Jokic. He has the highest PER season of all time, the last season when he got injured. He's elite both ends.

He is nowhere close to those guys even when healthy. Embiid beats up on **** teams and disappears against good teams. Everyone knows this and his statistical splits make it irrefutable.
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Post#98 » by cupcakesnake » Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:36 pm

Goudelock wrote:
Sealab2024 wrote:This does not improve my opinion of him and honestly I think it's a bad message to send. I get it, you experienced some bad trauma and have regrets. I don't mean to be crass but go ahead and join the rest of us in this thing we call life. What you can't do is emotionally shut down forever and refuse to process your experiences. That leaves you a prisoner of your past and will poison anything you try to do.

I feel for you Joel, I really do. I lost a very close cousin to a drunk driver in my teens so I do understand. But as an adult and especially as a man, you have to find your way through that stuff one way or another.


That's what I took away from the article too, and because this wasn't just some fluff piece, I think that's the logical takeaway. He had some trauma and terrible experiences, but he also has not handled it remotely well and has some very real flaws as a person.


It's a really depressing read. I hope Embiid stays committed to therapy and finds some ways to shed the same, and not spiral so deeply and constantly on his misfortunes.

He reminds me of Shaq. A young, insecure giant is suddenly thrust into a world of being a celebrity athlete, and that insecurity grows into a troubled, sometimes dark ego. Shaq had much better fortune, though. His injuries were minor, he got to be a healthy superstar from day 1, and ascend to an MVP-level player with way less setbacks than Embiid. (Not to say Shaq didn't have anything bad happen to him. He absolutely has faced difficulty in his life and career.) Both are kind of big kids who want praise and acceptance. Shaq was able to get his, while Embiid has had to deal with so much criticism from NBA fans.

I don't want to go too hard at the Sixers or their fanbase here, but how many young stars do they need to see suffer through career altering mental health difficulties before they start questioning their identity as the tough love fan base. It's getting a little crazy that the fanbase that is famous for booing their own players, and being hyper critical of them in times of failure, has now seen a whole generation of mega talents deal with massive mental health issues as the fanbase openly questions the severity of their physical injuries. Markell Fultz's shoulders and thoracic outlet syndrome, Ben Simmons lower back, and Embiid's everything. Other teams face worse injuries (sorry, New Orleans) but if you struggle in Phili... boy does it ever seem to go to a dark place quickly. It hasn't just been the Phili fanbase, the general NBA fanbase has been so tough on the Sixers stars, but I'd like to see Phili fans have their players back and defend them from the rest of us, rather than be the loudest critics.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#99 » by BrianInPhilly » Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:42 pm

LeBronSpaghetti wrote:

At Embiid's best, there's no one to compare him to. Not Nikola Jokic or Luka Doncic or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, who for all their offensive gifts can't turn the interior of the defense into a black hole. Not Giannis Antetokounmpo or Anthony Davis, who for all their versatility can't ascend into a trance of pure jump shooting.


Lol


Umm this is true though. At his peak there really is no one in the history of the game I’ll add with his 2-way skill set at his size.
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Re: ESPN: Joel Embiid sees you 

Post#100 » by NoStatsGuy » Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:44 pm

JM00n69 wrote:Glad to hear his eyesight is good. I hope his knees are as well!

The knees he sacrificed for the meaningless MVP award. Good one Joel!! At least you got that hardware to look at when you can't get yourself off the couch at 35y/o


the award is anything but meaningless. but i dont expect a nuggets fan to be reasonable in this context.
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