Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Dexjackson]

I get the draymond comps and how he is better offensively but draymond is a top 5 dog in league history. if cmb adopts a similar mentality then the sky is truly the limit in regards to affecting winnjng basketball

I'm with you. Draymond defense with better offense is an easy HOF. I see a good defensive player but we're setting the bar really high with Draymond level defense. Let's not set ourselves for disappointment because he can be a really good defender even if he's not at "Draymond level".

[ishoy123]

I don’t see Kawhi in CMB, that’s all Draymond imo. Especially young Draymond. Just speaking purely defensively.

Absolute wrecking ball but he gambles ALOT. He’ll need to be with good team defenders around him so he can be at his best.

That's something you can correct with a good video coordinator

[MEDIC]

There are things about CMB's game that made me really warm up to Kon K a few months prior to the draft:

Thicker/ stronger build, high motor/ aggressive, High Basketball IQ (makes the right read), a connector offensively while also being a capable scorer.

Of course, the bulk of Kon's worth will be on the offensive end, whereas the bulk of CMB's worth will be on the defensive end, but I like the way both of them play the game. High energy, lots of movement & high IQ.

[WuTang_OG]

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[MEDIC]

Reminds me of young OG.

He reminds me of OG a bit as an on ball defender, but as an off ball defender, he is better than OG. He has the potential to be a more impactful defender than OG overall.

[MEDIC]

Are you guys worried our main guys like quickley Barrett and Ingram won't be able to give that same defensive intensity as we've seen so far! Those 3 guys are all more offensive players, I can't see them all locking up full court like these young cats in summer league.

That was my concern last season when Quickley was coming back from injury. Davion & Jamal had established this lockdown style of defense that was really gritty & they were starting to have some success with it. It was starting to become the teams identity. Once IQ came back, the team didn't look the same.

[mademan]

I dont have an issue with Quick's defense. He's not a guy thats gonna body someone up like Shead, but he's a good smart defender that knows where to be. Ingram will get allowances as long as he's playing like a star on offense and isnt a sieve on defense. RJ will be the big concern as his offensive usage will go down meaning he'll have to be a lot better at the complimentary aspects of basketball. Im dubious it'll work out, but im willing to wait and see

[Los_29]

IQ is not a bad defender. In fact, in NY he was quite good.

[Duffman100]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

Really, Duffman? Did we all really have no clue whatsoever?

I guess maybe someone on this board works for the team and is in the war rooms?

[Yallbecrazy]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

Really, Duffman? Did we all really have no clue whatsoever?

I guess maybe someone on this board works for the team and is in the war rooms?

Lucas posted about 5 guys we would consider and CMB was one of them.

A regular in the realGM Raptors draft threads wrote this on reddit the morning of the draft:
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1lk6emk/why_the_raptors_will_draft_cmb_should_he_fall_to/
Some of us had ideas based on previous behaviour of the Raptors and our own scouting

[Duffman100]

Really, Duffman? Did we all really have no clue whatsoever?

I guess maybe someone on this board works for the team and is in the war rooms?

Lucas posted about 5 guys we would consider and CMB was one of them.

A regular in the realGM Raptors draft threads wrote this on reddit the morning of the draft:
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1lk6emk/why_the_raptors_will_draft_cmb_should_he_fall_to/
Some of us had ideas based on previous behaviour of the Raptors and our own scouting

What I'm saying is we don't know who in the room is pushing for whom.

Maybe Bobby was more Malauch and Masai was more CMB. Or the other way around.

There are a lot of voices in the room and lot of factors that go into the final selection.

[Jerry Lucas]

We have no clue who is pushing for whom in the war room. Where the responsibility lies etc.

Really, Duffman? Did we all really have no clue whatsoever?

I guess maybe someone on this board works for the team and is in the war rooms?

Not sure about that one, but I was more so hinting at myself with my Masai-type FRP queries going 4/4 since I created it.

[Jerry Lucas]

Lucas posted about 5 guys we would consider and CMB was one of them.

A regular in the realGM Raptors draft threads wrote this on reddit the morning of the draft:
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1lk6emk/why_the_raptors_will_draft_cmb_should_he_fall_to/
Some of us had ideas based on previous behaviour of the Raptors and our own scouting

What I'm saying is we don't know who in the room is pushing for whom.

Maybe Bobby was more Malauch and Masai was more CMB. Or the other way around.

There are a lot of voices in the room and lot of factors that go into the final selection.

I straight up never believed the Maluach and Raptors smoke. I said so before the draft multiple times without the benefit of hindsight (and with sound reasoning backing me and the other Maluach realists up), and I also outlined reasoning in another post about why The Stein Line report post-draft that Masai wanted Maluach cannot be trusted.

[MEDIC]

IQ is not a bad defender. In fact, in NY he was quite good.

There were times last season where he was getting beat off the dribble quite easily. Like, Calderon level. Having said that, he was coming off injury, so it will be interesting to see how he performs this season. I know his off ball defensive IQ is pretty good, but I feel your PG should be a good POA defender if you want playoff success.

If he can provide 75% of what Davion provided defensively while on ball, it would really help.

Its hard to compare what he did with the Kincks & what he is doing here. He was coming off the bench in NY & I am not sure how oftem he was POA defender.

[DreamTeam09]

He had 20 pts on 4 dribbles. That's how he's going to fit in on our roster with anyone. It's not like he needs the ball to impact the game. He's smart & he rebounds & he sets screens

[mtcan]

He had 20 pts on 4 dribbles. That's how he's going to fit in on our roster with anyone. It's not like he needs the ball to impact the game. He's smart & he rebounds & he sets screens

Ya he and Gradey can both put up points with little to zero dribbles...but in different ways.

[Los_29]

IQ is not a bad defender. In fact, in NY he was quite good.

There were times last season where he was getting beat off the dribble quite easily. Like, Calderon level. Having said that, he was coming off injury, so it will be interesting to see how he performs this season. I know his off ball defensive IQ is pretty good, but I feel your PG should be a good POA defender if you want playoff success.

If he can provide 75% of what Davion provided defensively while on ball, it would really help.

Its hard to compare what he did with the Kincks & what he is doing here. He was coming off the bench in NY & I am not sure how oftem he was POA defender.

Your point guard doesn’t need to be a great POA defender in my opinion. Just look at the teams advancing deep into the playoffs. Brunson is a horrific defender. Haliburton isn’t great either. You do need to have someone though. And in regards to IQ, he’s a good defender. I remember Redick talked about it a couple years ago when he was on the Knicks. He had the 3rd best defensive FG% in the league at one point. Not saying he’s that good but he was there with some of the elite defenders in the league. Shows that he’s at least capable. It’s hard to evaluate him fairly based on his time here. He’s been playing on bad teams and has been hurt. Next year will be big for him.

[Yallbecrazy]

I guess maybe someone on this board works for the team and is in the war rooms?

Lucas posted about 5 guys we would consider and CMB was one of them.

A regular in the realGM Raptors draft threads wrote this on reddit the morning of the draft:
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1lk6emk/why_the_raptors_will_draft_cmb_should_he_fall_to/
Some of us had ideas based on previous behaviour of the Raptors and our own scouting

What I'm saying is we don't know who in the room is pushing for whom.

Maybe Bobby was more Malauch and Masai was more CMB. Or the other way around.

There are a lot of voices in the room and lot of factors that go into the final selection.

We don't, but based on what Bobby said they look for in a prospect this year and what Dan Tolzman has said in the past and even with what Masai has drafted while Raptors GM/President it's quite likely to me they all liked him and he very well could have been in all their top 5s and been #1 on all their boards when we picked at 9.

[Duffman100]

Lucas posted about 5 guys we would consider and CMB was one of them.

A regular in the realGM Raptors draft threads wrote this on reddit the morning of the draft:
https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/1lk6emk/why_the_raptors_will_draft_cmb_should_he_fall_to/
Some of us had ideas based on previous behaviour of the Raptors and our own scouting

What I'm saying is we don't know who in the room is pushing for whom.

Maybe Bobby was more Malauch and Masai was more CMB. Or the other way around.

There are a lot of voices in the room and lot of factors that go into the final selection.

We don't, but based on what Bobby said they look for in a prospect this year and what Dan Tolzman has said in the past and even with what Masai has drafted while Raptors GM/President it's quite likely to me they all liked him and he very well could have been in all their top 5s and been #1 on all their boards when we picked at 9.

Ha well obviously! We drafted him

[Basketball_Jones]

There are things about CMB's game that made me really warm up to Kon K a few months prior to the draft:

Thicker/ stronger build, high motor/ aggressive, High Basketball IQ (makes the right read), a connector offensively while also being a capable scorer.

Of course, the bulk of Kon's worth will be on the offensive end, whereas the bulk of CMB's worth will be on the defensive end, but I like the way both of them play the game. High energy, lots of movement & high IQ.

My main concern with Kon was being able to shoot off the dribble for himself but looks like it’s going to be easy for him there. Definitely going to be a star but perhaps not a guy you truly want to build around but are forced to throw big money at. I guess that’s NBA for you lol.