Shams: Bobby Promoted to "Final Decision Maker of Basketball (still GM) " update pg. 27

[WaltFrazier]

Shapiro has given out some pretty bad contracts. The Springer contract until this year has been a total failure. Trading away Teoscar was dumb and subsequently signed Santander who has barely played. Could have signed Vladdy at 10 years for 300 million like 2 seasons ago. Waited and paid him 500 instead.

Haven’t really drafted any tier one prospects over the past decade. He can play AA as much as he wants but he has had 10 years and this has been a Wild Card calibre team the whole team with a big payroll.

He must have naked pictures of Ed Rogers cause don’t know how you survive that long outside of Corporate Politicians and Brown nosers

Funny, with the Jays recent good stretch that has them in first place, I totally forgot about Santander. But I don't pay attention as closely as I did a few years ago. I assume he's hurt? Varsho should be back soon too I expect?

As I say, my interest is down since Shapiro took over. In 2015 and 16 I watched almost every game or listened on radio if driving. This may be a crazy statement but I feel like AA had the greatest deadline in the history of baseball in 2015. The excitement of the arrival of David Price, Tulo and others, the run the team went on. The bat flip game and rivalry with Rangers. It was reminiscent of the two WS champs or the late 80s Jays for excitement. Sadly they came up short, but those were real contenders. I've never felt that excitement ever since 2016. I wish AA had had the chance to rebuild here, still hope he returns some day. All the numbers about won loss percentage and such under Shapiro doesn't move me. The excitement is gone.

What thread is this again? Oh yeah, Bobby Webster. Maybe he'll do ok. Probably a safe choice for Rogers and Pelley.

I don't pay any attention to the Jays. 92 and 93 were a looooong time ago. Bat flip was cool but they started their full on rebuild in '94 and... in 2025 theyz rounding into form. Anyone else up for a 31 year rebuild with our Raps? Didn't think so.

It hasn't been one long 31 years rebuild. 2015 and 16 were great teams. The rebuild we're in now only started after that, under the new Shatkins mgmt team.

[OAKLEY_2]

Well Robbers has owned the Jays since early 2,000's so let's call it a 22 plus years finals drought under their watch. Didn't Shapiro get burned in Moneyball?

[causal_fan]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

[Raps Next GM]

Well Robbers has owned the Jays since early 2,000's so let's call it a 22 plus years finals drought under their watch. Didn't Shapiro get burned in Moneyball?

No, it’s Hollywood embellishment. Billy Beane hires wunderkind Paul DePodesta away from Shapiro. Truth is DePodesta joined the A’s in 1999, three years before Shapiro became Cleveland’s GM.

Shapiro had the right to veto portrayal of his character, but to his credit, he didn’t because he allowed creative license for the sake of the movie.

The Moneyball book however took jabs at Blue Jays’ legendary GM Pat Gillick, if I remember correctly.

[anotherhomer]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.


this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

[WaltFrazier]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.


this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

Maybe Bobby is an understated enough personality to suit Rogers

[Zeno]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.


this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

The claim by Pelley was that the Raptors needed a president because they were rebuilding still but the Leafs didn’t because they weren’t so it follows that they don’t see having a president as a permanent position. If the rebuild of the Raptors is deemed complete in a couple years, it appears they would just let whomever they hired go after their contract is over. So the whole thing doesn’t make much sense to me.

[Tor_Raps]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.


this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

The claim by Pelley was that the Raptors needed a president because they were rebuilding still but the Leafs didn’t because they weren’t so it follows that they don’t see having a president as a permanent position. If the rebuild of the Raptors is deemed complete in a couple years, it appears they would just let whomever they hired go after their contract is over. So the whole thing doesn’t make much sense to me.

Id guess its because they think there's enough hockey knowledge within MLSE to proceed without a President. None of them know anything about basketball so they need to infuse MLSE with as much basketball knowledge as possible.

[WuTang_CMB]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.



this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

The claim by Pelley was that the Raptors needed a president because they were rebuilding still but the Leafs didn’t because they weren’t so it follows that they don’t see having a president as a permanent position. If the rebuild of the Raptors is deemed complete in a couple years, it appears they would just let whomever they hired go after their contract is over. So the whole thing doesn’t make much sense to me.

Ya it didn’t. But to read between the lines it meant that pelley and rogers dont know anything about the nba and basketball. Pelley isnt hiring a president for leafs because hes a hockey guy so its easier for him to assist. With the raptors and nba he has no clue thats why they need a president to steer the ship. They doing this now because masai was not being re upped in a year so they wanted someone before he was not renewed.

Iv given my reasons why bobby should be promoted but if he isnt bobby is going to leave as he should and this new person is going to dismantle this front office.

Larry is there for another year and hes a basketball guy but im sure his voice isnt being listened to since hes probably pushing for bobby

[Tha Cynic]

If Webster does interview for the Job and doesn't get it, I expect he's leaving soon enough.

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.

this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

The claim by Pelley was that the Raptors needed a president because they were rebuilding still but the Leafs didn’t because they weren’t so it follows that they don’t see having a president as a permanent position. If the rebuild of the Raptors is deemed complete in a couple years, it appears they would just let whomever they hired go after their contract is over. So the whole thing doesn’t make much sense to me.

They need a president because they don’t have anyone in the organization other than Masai’s hires who know anything about basketball.

These guys and the entire city along with past generations all grew up with hockey. Every single one of them thinks they can be GM of the Leafs.

The hiring is just an admittance that they don’t know what basketball is. Hopefully they can at least get someone equally as good as Masai, but I’m expecting someone maybe half as good.

The good thing is Masai has put this team back on the same path he used for the previous championship, understanding that’s the only way to build here. Hopefully the next person doesn’t tear it all down.

[youngRAPZ]

Dan Tolzman is the Gem we can’t afford to lose. Also MLSE better keep Alex McKechnie!


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[ForeverTFC]

I don't buy anything they're selling right now. We'll have to see what happens when they buy the rest of MLSE from Larry as they'll surely merge the Jays inside MLSE - this is what Rogers wanted to agree to the Masai contract if I'm not mistaken, but Larry and Bell said no. Once that happens, will the Jays continue to have a President?

In an ideal world, they're hiring a President for the Raptors because they want to ultimately sell them. Would make sense for the team to have its own infrastructure in that case. Here's hoping.

[anotherhomer]

the latest articles from Josh Lewen of tsn, seem to suggest Rogers is determined to put their own stamp on the Raptors organization.

i mean they won't hire a president for leafs but curiously are willing to get one for raptors.

this suggest to me, someone at Rogers (maybe Ed) doesn't like the larger than life personality Ujiri has cultivated and wants to tear it down, and install a new president, even if it's a mediocre one

The claim by Pelley was that the Raptors needed a president because they were rebuilding still but the Leafs didn’t because they weren’t so it follows that they don’t see having a president as a permanent position. If the rebuild of the Raptors is deemed complete in a couple years, it appears they would just let whomever they hired go after their contract is over. So the whole thing doesn’t make much sense to me.

They need a president because they don’t have anyone in the organization other than Masai’s hires who know anything about basketball.

These guys and the entire city along with past generations all grew up with hockey. Every single one of them thinks they can be GM of the Leafs.

The hiring is just an admittance that they don’t know what basketball is. Hopefully they can at least get someone equally as good as Masai, but I’m expecting someone maybe half as good.

The good thing is Masai has put this team back on the same path he used for the previous championship, understanding that’s the only way to build here. Hopefully the next person doesn’t tear it all down.

let's hope they don't hire the wrong person
but given their track record, i won't be holding my breath

[OAKLEY_2]

Well Robbers has owned the Jays since early 2,000's so let's call it a 22 plus years finals drought under their watch. Didn't Shapiro get burned in Moneyball?

No, it’s Hollywood embellishment. Billy Beane hires wunderkind Paul DePodesta away from Shapiro. Truth is DePodesta joined the A’s in 1999, three years before Shapiro became Cleveland’s GM.

Shapiro had the right to veto portrayal of his character, but to his credit, he didn’t because he allowed creative license for the sake of the movie.

The Moneyball book however took jabs at Blue Jays’ legendary GM Pat Gillick, if I remember correctly.

Thanks for the clarification. Philip Seymour Hoffman was the best Manager portrayal ever... or up there with Wilford Brimley as Pop Fisher, world-weary manager in The Natural. Nothing better than watching Brimley replace a Pitcher.

[WaltFrazier]

Dan Tolzman is the Gem we can’t afford to lose. Also MLSE better keep Alex McKechnie!

I had to look because I thought he was older but even at 73 how much longer will Alex work anyway?

[OAKLEY_2]

The job s/be Bobby's to lose.

[TGM]

The job s/be Bobby's to lose.

Don’t think the job was ever Bobby. He is in the race just because it takes three horses to call it a race. I would be absolutely shocked if Pelley doesn’t bring his own guy onboard. The reason why guys like Atkins and Shapiro have like 9 lives is because they know how to play the politics and manage upward.

[Raps in 4]

The job s/be Bobby's to lose.

Don’t think the job was ever Bobby. He is in the race just because it takes three horses to call it a race. I would be absolutely shocked if Pelley doesn’t bring his own guy onboard. The reason why guys like Atkins and Shapiro have like 9 lives is because they know how to play the politics and manage upward.

I have a feeling we're going to hire a former player agent or Nike sales rep. Someone who knows how to kiss ass. Ed loves getting his ass kissed.

[OAKLEY_2]

How about Kyle Lowry?

[TimeForChange]

I can see this year playing out status quo, Raps hiring a new president in 2026 and Bobby and Dan to be gone.