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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#101 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 9:08 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Did the Spurs trade Poeltl and Murray for Wemby? Is he part of the return?


I would say the Spurs trading Poeltl and Murray was successful because they got Wemby

Yes, they were a lottery team either way and secured 25%, Mavs broke up a finals team, and lucked out with 1.8%, I wouldn't call the trade succesful.
Davis himself was cosidered a better prospect than Flagg, and he didn't lead any team to the Finals and bolted on his team to ride LeBron, no one should trade a player like Luka for an unreliable AD and Flagg, even in the scenario it was part of the trade.


Pretty sure Davis led Kentucky to a championship.

Davis isn't that unreliable. He missed like one playoff game in his career. He averages 2100 minutes a season. He was 3rd amongst bigs for total minutes in 23-24. His average of 2100 minutes was only beaten by 12 bigs last season. I think only a handful of bigs have played more minutes than him in the past decade.
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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#102 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jul 19, 2025 10:19 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Pretty sure Davis led Kentucky to a championship.


Talking strictly about NBA.
zimpy27 wrote:Davis isn't that unreliable. He missed like one playoff game in his career. He averages 2100 minutes a season. He was 3rd amongst bigs for total minutes in 23-24. His average of 2100 minutes was only beaten by 12 bigs last season. I think only a handful of bigs have played more minutes than him in the past decade.

Missed 42 games in 22 and Lakers missed the PO, mised 30 games in 25 and Mavs missed the PO.
AD is unreliable, even when healthy, he's not the same tier as Luka Doncic, 7 years in NOP, made the PO twise and won 1 series.
There is no trade in sports history that comes close to how lopsided thisntrade was at the time.
The fact Mavs got Flagg is a testament on how eitjer terrible or rigged this trade was, Kuzma for Middleton can be justified as god deal for the Bucks.
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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#103 » by penbeast0 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:47 am

Mavrelous wrote:...
There is no trade in sports history that comes close to how lopsided thisntrade was at the time.
The fact Mavs got Flagg is a testament on how eitjer terrible or rigged this trade was, Kuzma for Middleton can be justified as god deal for the Bucks.


Wilt Chamberlain, the consensus most talented player in the history of the NBA (at the time) and the holder of the all time scoring and rebounding seasons, healthy and only 6 years into his career, was traded from the Warriors to the Sixers for a bunch of warm bodies, only 1 (Paul Neuman, an averagish guard) who had played much, plus $50,000 because his owner thought he made too much money.

Even the ABA trades by the Virginia Squires where they sold off guys like Julius Erving and George Gervin to get enough money to keep the team going for a few more months weren't as lopsided as Wilt to the Sixers.
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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#104 » by brackdan70 » Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:46 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Pretty sure Davis led Kentucky to a championship.


Talking strictly about NBA.
zimpy27 wrote:Davis isn't that unreliable. He missed like one playoff game in his career. He averages 2100 minutes a season. He was 3rd amongst bigs for total minutes in 23-24. His average of 2100 minutes was only beaten by 12 bigs last season. I think only a handful of bigs have played more minutes than him in the past decade.

Missed 42 games in 22 and Lakers missed the PO, mised 30 games in 25 and Mavs missed the PO.
AD is unreliable, even when healthy, he's not the same tier as Luka Doncic, 7 years in NOP, made the PO twise and won 1 series.
There is no trade in sports history that comes close to how lopsided thisntrade was at the time.
The fact Mavs got Flagg is a testament on how eitjer terrible or rigged this trade was, Kuzma for Middleton can be justified as god deal for the Bucks.

AD played in more games than Luka last season. Maybe he is unreliable, but so is Luka .
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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#105 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:00 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Pretty sure Davis led Kentucky to a championship.


Talking strictly about NBA.
zimpy27 wrote:Davis isn't that unreliable. He missed like one playoff game in his career. He averages 2100 minutes a season. He was 3rd amongst bigs for total minutes in 23-24. His average of 2100 minutes was only beaten by 12 bigs last season. I think only a handful of bigs have played more minutes than him in the past decade.

Missed 42 games in 22 and Lakers missed the PO, mised 30 games in 25 and Mavs missed the PO.
AD is unreliable, even when healthy, he's not the same tier as Luka Doncic, 7 years in NOP, made the PO twise and won 1 series.
There is no trade in sports history that comes close to how lopsided thisntrade was at the time.
The fact Mavs got Flagg is a testament on how eitjer terrible or rigged this trade was, Kuzma for Middleton can be justified as god deal for the Bucks.

AD played in more games than Luka last season. Maybe he is unreliable, but so is Luka .

Cool, I'll take the guy who had one significant injury in 7 years, and is 6 years younger in reliability over the guy who has a special nick name for his lack of availability.
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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#106 » by chrbal » Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:44 pm

Mavrelous wrote:There is no trade in sports history that comes close to how lopsided thisntrade was at the time.
The fact Mavs got Flagg is a testament on how eitjer terrible or rigged this trade was, Kuzma for Middleton can be justified as god deal for the Bucks.


Paul George to the Clippers was ridiculously in favor of the Thunder at the time. Shai as a clipper showed enough to think he’d at least be a good starter. Plus all those draft picks and draft swaps.

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Herschel Walker to the Vikings and Ricky Williams to the Saints
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Re: Shams: MIL/WAS: Kuzma for Middleton 

Post#107 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:31 pm

chrbal wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:There is no trade in sports history that comes close to how lopsided thisntrade was at the time.
The fact Mavs got Flagg is a testament on how eitjer terrible or rigged this trade was, Kuzma for Middleton can be justified as god deal for the Bucks.


Paul George to the Clippers was ridiculously in favor of the Thunder at the time. Shai as a clipper showed enough to think he’d at least be a good starter. Plus all those draft picks and draft swaps.

NFL
Herschel Walker to the Vikings and Ricky Williams to the Saints

At the time, the trade wasn't close...
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