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[Sunsdeuce]

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I don’t know what to think about Kellen Olson anymore. I feel like he sold his soul to get the attention of the Suns organization and to get a tad bit of attention because his opinions for the last few years are all “kiss the Suns ring” type of opinions. He rarely brings value to an actual basketball discussion. Basically I feel like his opinions bring little to no value.

Warriors have ZERO interest in anything the Suns have. There are plenty of guys I think would be “exactly what the Suns need” but reality of it happening are slim to none. That would be my first point.

My last point is, Kuminga is exactly opposite of what this team needs UNLESS he comes dirt cheap. This team needs high IQ, dirt workers, REBOUNDING machines and MOSTLY SKILLED players. Although I’m not a fan of Booker, he’s a skilled player, outside of Booker, this team has no real “skilled” players that excel at a particular skill. Maybe you consider Grayson because of the one thing he does do good which is three point shooting. And we are in wait and see mode with Green. Kuminga excels at nothing (has a low IQ which is why Kerr doesn’t play him in important situations and has benched him).

What’s the Vision of this team? Because it seems like everyday it’s something different with this FO. Is it “intensity”? Because we don’t have a lot of guys with that. Is it IQ? Again this roster isn’t exactly screaming brilliant players. Is it “shooting”? Is it smart basketball (Kuminga is opposite of smart basketball).

Dip$h!tbia vision changes week to week so I have no idea what’s going on.

Kuminga on a flyer and for cheap….Sure, why the hell not! Kuminga on a $80 million contract and the last crumbs of assets you have……no f$&king way!!!

[KdoubleDees23]

Yeah, what a weird criticism lol. My man was asked to provide figures to someone interested and he went through the trouble if looking it up. What do you expect him to do, go to the library?

I for one didn't know about Green playing PG last season, so it was interesting to read, and I don't care how the info was retrieved, just if the info is legit.

Using chat gpt is exactly the reason to question legitimacy. Basic AI like that comes up with some wild sh** all the time lol, especially when you're gonna try to pass it off as an argument for complex, subjective, and nuanced principles

I'd love to see the source of this single shooting stat that apparently proves the point. Also that linked article says nothing useful on this topic lol.

I picked PBPStats to check some stuff out. They have Green shooting the same eFG% with or without VanVleet on the court and one percent lower TS% with VanVleet off the court than on. Also has him when playing without VanVleet, Thompson, or Holiday at:
48.9 eFG% (50.5 for all mins)
52.1 TS% (54.3 for all mins)
6.5 TOs per 100 (3.7 for all mins)

Im not saying these #s prove anything (though I dont see him actually being a GOOD 'point guard'), but what I am saying is I spent 5mins looking it up and found very different information. So yeah Im gonna be skeptical.

+1
(also if you've been to the league for 4 years, your own team didnt really want to resign you, and the word on you is "brainless chucker", then most probably I don't need chatgpt to figure out what you are)

You checked stats with or without VanVleet on the court. Those can be different. He played majority PG when Van Vleet was injured. Soo you will need to tweak that statistic. Because when vanvleet wasn't on the count but still healthy, Jalen Green wasn't running point

Also - Houston liked Green. They just had a chance for their little window to get KD for Green and Brooks. Then added a few more key spots to fill for a complete team. They have a chance the next 2 years.

Why dont you as a fan of this team give a player a chance to prove themselves? Why hate on somebody before he even starts. Cheer him on and wish him well and hope he outperforms your expectations. I dont get how you can be a fan, then bash someone before they even play. This is crazy

[sunsbg]

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Yeah we are Kuminga-away from being a contender. I don't know how people can lose their time reading/listening to such BS.

[Saberestar]

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I don’t know what to think about Kellen Olson anymore. I feel like he sold his soul to get the attention of the Suns organization and to get a tad bit of attention because his opinions for the last few years are all “kiss the Suns ring” type of opinions. He rarely brings value to an actual basketball discussion. Basically I feel like his opinions bring little to no value.

Warriors have ZERO interest in anything the Suns have. There are plenty of guys I think would be “exactly what the Suns need” but reality of it happening are slim to none. That would be my first point.

My last point is, Kuminga is exactly opposite of what this team needs UNLESS he comes dirt cheap. This team needs high IQ, dirt workers, REBOUNDING machines and MOSTLY SKILLED players. Although I’m not a fan of Booker, he’s a skilled player, outside of Booker, this team has no real “skilled” players that excel at a particular skill. Maybe you consider Grayson because of the one thing he does do good which is three point shooting. And we are in wait and see mode with Green. Kuminga excels at nothing (has a low IQ which is why Kerr doesn’t play him in important situations and has benched him).

What’s the Vision of this team? Because it seems like everyday it’s something different with this FO. Is it “intensity”? Because we don’t have a lot of guys with that. Is it IQ? Again this roster isn’t exactly screaming brilliant players. Is it “shooting”? Is it smart basketball (Kuminga is opposite of smart basketball).

Dip$h!tbia vision changes week to week so I have no idea what’s going on.

Kuminga on a flyer and for cheap….Sure, why the hell not! Kuminga on a $80 million contract and the last crumbs of assets you have……no f$&king way!!!

He says WHY we are interested in him and he talks about the possibility of Kuminga (or Mark Williams) reaching his potential after getting him on the low. It's an interesting talk about one of the best (R)FA available on the market.

You think that we need smart, skilled, hard worker players who excells at rebounding...yeah, those are needed and wanted by EVERY team in the league.

You have to give up something and get the best one available. Of course, Kuminga's awareness and basketball IQ is low for now but he checks so many boxes:

-Skilled scorer.
-Athleticism and size for a SF/PF.
-Health/Youth
-Switchability on defense.
-Passion for the game.
-Confidence.

If he improves his basketball IQ (some players do it with experience) next to all those qualities he can reach his potential and that's a heck of a player in his prime.

It's not a high risk move if you just trade a combination of Allen/Royce/Richards/2nds.

[Bogyo]

Using chat gpt is exactly the reason to question legitimacy. Basic AI like that comes up with some wild sh** all the time lol, especially when you're gonna try to pass it off as an argument for complex, subjective, and nuanced principles

I'd love to see the source of this single shooting stat that apparently proves the point. Also that linked article says nothing useful on this topic lol.

I picked PBPStats to check some stuff out. They have Green shooting the same eFG% with or without VanVleet on the court and one percent lower TS% with VanVleet off the court than on. Also has him when playing without VanVleet, Thompson, or Holiday at:
48.9 eFG% (50.5 for all mins)
52.1 TS% (54.3 for all mins)
6.5 TOs per 100 (3.7 for all mins)

Im not saying these #s prove anything (though I dont see him actually being a GOOD 'point guard'), but what I am saying is I spent 5mins looking it up and found very different information. So yeah Im gonna be skeptical.

+1
(also if you've been to the league for 4 years, your own team didnt really want to resign you, and the word on you is "brainless chucker", then most probably I don't need chatgpt to figure out what you are)

You checked stats with or without VanVleet on the court. Those can be different. He played majority PG when Van Vleet was injured. Soo you will need to tweak that statistic. Because when vanvleet wasn't on the count but still healthy, Jalen Green wasn't running point

Also - Houston liked Green. They just had a chance for their little window to get KD for Green and Brooks. Then added a few more key spots to fill for a complete team. They have a chance the next 2 years.

Why dont you as a fan of this team give a player a chance to prove themselves? Why hate on somebody before he even starts. Cheer him on and wish him well and hope he outperforms your expectations. I dont get how you can be a fan, then bash someone before they even play. This is crazy

Houston did not like him. There are reports for years now that they tried to trade him. Then only gave him a non-max 3 year contract after his rookie deal was off. Not a good sign any case, and the statistics so far look like the word on the street is true about his above-neck problems.

I do wish he outperformes his contract, and gets better, etc... I just dont think it will happen. He will likely be a very similar player to what he is now - athletic, scores in bunches, but not much else. Here is hoping that i m wrong and you are right.

Also, dont ever question my fandom. Not you, not anybody else - its been too frequent on this forum lately. Just becouse we are skeptical by the moves the front office makes, it doesnt makes us bad guy or not fans. Fair to point out that the "non-fans" according to you (and some others around) have been mostly right about their criticism in the last howevermany years... a lot more so than the optimists. But it DOES NOT mean that they are not fans - they might just be better educated fans, seeing the results so far.

[sunsbg]

We'll become a contender collecting all players other teams don't want. Trust me.

[Sunsdeuce]

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I don’t know what to think about Kellen Olson anymore. I feel like he sold his soul to get the attention of the Suns organization and to get a tad bit of attention because his opinions for the last few years are all “kiss the Suns ring” type of opinions. He rarely brings value to an actual basketball discussion. Basically I feel like his opinions bring little to no value.

Warriors have ZERO interest in anything the Suns have. There are plenty of guys I think would be “exactly what the Suns need” but reality of it happening are slim to none. That would be my first point.

My last point is, Kuminga is exactly opposite of what this team needs UNLESS he comes dirt cheap. This team needs high IQ, dirt workers, REBOUNDING machines and MOSTLY SKILLED players. Although I’m not a fan of Booker, he’s a skilled player, outside of Booker, this team has no real “skilled” players that excel at a particular skill. Maybe you consider Grayson because of the one thing he does do good which is three point shooting. And we are in wait and see mode with Green. Kuminga excels at nothing (has a low IQ which is why Kerr doesn’t play him in important situations and has benched him).

What’s the Vision of this team? Because it seems like everyday it’s something different with this FO. Is it “intensity”? Because we don’t have a lot of guys with that. Is it IQ? Again this roster isn’t exactly screaming brilliant players. Is it “shooting”? Is it smart basketball (Kuminga is opposite of smart basketball).

Dip$h!tbia vision changes week to week so I have no idea what’s going on.

Kuminga on a flyer and for cheap….Sure, why the hell not! Kuminga on a $80 million contract and the last crumbs of assets you have……no f$&king way!!!

He says WHY we are interested in him and he talks about the possibility of Kuminga (or Mark Williams) reaching his potential after getting him on the low. It's an interesting talk about one of the best (R)FA available on the market.

You think that we need smart, skilled, hard worker players who excells at rebounding...yeah, those are needed and wanted by EVERY team in the league.

You have to give up something and get the best one available. Of course, Kuminga's awareness and basketball IQ is low for now but he checks so many boxes. :

-Skilled scorer.
-Athleticism and size for a SF/PF.
-Health/Youth
-Switchability on defense.
-Passion for the game.
-Confidence.

If he improves his basketball IQ (some players do it with experience) next to all those qualities he can reach his potential and that's a heck of a player in his prime.

It's not a high risk move if you just trade a combination of Allen/Royce/Richards/2nds.

Yeah I listened to his nonsense. Not a single good/or well thought out answer. He started out with “this is what you need to do on the margins”. How many times does it need to be said, GS has NO INTEREST in anything we have. Shoot, go onto goldenstateofmind website. They even talk about the suns being interested BUT HAVE NOTHING of value to give the warriors. Olsen hurts my ears with his nonsense. There is NO MArGINS in acquiring Kuminga. 1) GS ain’t taking Grayson and a 2nd for Kuminga. That garbage offer gets laughed at. 2) the suns don’t have an extra $20 million a year to give a player just for a flyer right now.

This is NOT what you need to do. It’s something a team with a lot of extra assets to blow and lots of extra cap space can do. Not a big deal when you are in full rebuild, lots of cap space and lots of extra picks to blow. The Suns aren’t in that position. The utter disaster this team is in requires extreme planning, delicate timing, and very very careful decisions. This team isn’t in a position to take “expensive Flyers”.

The only way….ONLY way Kuminga is a conversation piece for the Suns is if GS was/is desperate to dumb him for anything and Kuminga is on a dirt cheap contract for the next 3-4 years. Neither of which is the current situation.

[Sunsdeuce]

We'll become a contender collecting all players other teams don't want. Trust me.

Exactly. Exactly what great organizations do. Let’s get him on the “margins”.

[Djedefre]

Kuminga is worthless, completely unnecessary for us. I can not believe there are people hyping him up and presenting him as some kind of great addition. Completely bananas.

As for Green - yes, Houston wanted to get rid of him and were pretty happy to use him to get a year or two of Durant. He is talented, but clearly has limitations when it comes to understanding the game. Chances of him turning the corner and jumping up to the next tier are pretty slim. They do exist, but i'm not exactly holding my breath. Sure as hell hope he may prove me wrong, but at this point it's not looking vanilla at all.

[Fo-Real]

Take it for what it's worth, but I know someone who works directly with Kuminga's camp on the private admin side of players and they claim he's a total idiot, Kerr hates him cause he doesn't listen, he and his agent are hard to work with cause they're a stubborn and arrogant camp and that's why the Warriors are so eager to unload him. Dude don't listen and doesn't follow Kerr's on court X's & O's and kinda does his own thing.

Not gonna be the best teammate -- and I even heard somebody on one of those Suns podcasts say "he can be a good mentor to Fleming" which is a joke. Dude can't be a mentor to anybody.

Nonetheless - I'd really take a shot at this. I still want him playing the starting PF to see what he's got.

Have heard that he just cant follow instructions and heard similar things that were said about Ayton... (You can physically see him trying to think the game, not natural, not smart, no personal accountability). There is probably a reason why a cerebral team like the Warriors cant seem to fit him in.

The Warriors system is not for everyone.

Kelly Oubre did really poorly there because he's not a high IQ player and he played better on other teams where he could play more freely and freestyle a bit more. I would assume on a rebuilding team like ours we would be a lot more forgiving as we aren't really expecting to go far in the playoffs and just reaching the play in I think would be considered a successful season for us.

Definitely a possibility, I enjoyed Kelly here for sure. I mean, we aren't going to trade for Kuminga anyway probably. On a side note, Kyle Kuzma sucks right?? I mean, he is a Pf who is out of place behind Giannis, especially with Bobby P back. Seems they would be in need of a shooter and back up big instead of Kyle in Grayson and Richards and his contract is only this year and next while Allen's is +1 year. I mean, he probably sucks but would you take Kuzma for this and next with an average salary of 21 mil or Kuminga at 30+ for 4? The Bucks fans dont like his fit, probably for a great reason but I dont watch enough of him to know really.

[Saberestar]

I don’t know what to think about Kellen Olson anymore. I feel like he sold his soul to get the attention of the Suns organization and to get a tad bit of attention because his opinions for the last few years are all “kiss the Suns ring” type of opinions. He rarely brings value to an actual basketball discussion. Basically I feel like his opinions bring little to no value.

Warriors have ZERO interest in anything the Suns have. There are plenty of guys I think would be “exactly what the Suns need” but reality of it happening are slim to none. That would be my first point.

My last point is, Kuminga is exactly opposite of what this team needs UNLESS he comes dirt cheap. This team needs high IQ, dirt workers, REBOUNDING machines and MOSTLY SKILLED players. Although I’m not a fan of Booker, he’s a skilled player, outside of Booker, this team has no real “skilled” players that excel at a particular skill. Maybe you consider Grayson because of the one thing he does do good which is three point shooting. And we are in wait and see mode with Green. Kuminga excels at nothing (has a low IQ which is why Kerr doesn’t play him in important situations and has benched him).

What’s the Vision of this team? Because it seems like everyday it’s something different with this FO. Is it “intensity”? Because we don’t have a lot of guys with that. Is it IQ? Again this roster isn’t exactly screaming brilliant players. Is it “shooting”? Is it smart basketball (Kuminga is opposite of smart basketball).

Dip$h!tbia vision changes week to week so I have no idea what’s going on.

Kuminga on a flyer and for cheap….Sure, why the hell not! Kuminga on a $80 million contract and the last crumbs of assets you have……no f$&king way!!!

He says WHY we are interested in him and he talks about the possibility of Kuminga (or Mark Williams) reaching his potential after getting him on the low. It's an interesting talk about one of the best (R)FA available on the market.

You think that we need smart, skilled, hard worker players who excells at rebounding...yeah, those are needed and wanted by EVERY team in the league.

You have to give up something and get the best one available. Of course, Kuminga's awareness and basketball IQ is low for now but he checks so many boxes. :

-Skilled scorer.
-Athleticism and size for a SF/PF.
-Health/Youth
-Switchability on defense.
-Passion for the game.
-Confidence.

If he improves his basketball IQ (some players do it with experience) next to all those qualities he can reach his potential and that's a heck of a player in his prime.

It's not a high risk move if you just trade a combination of Allen/Royce/Richards/2nds.

Yeah I listened to his nonsense. Not a single good/or well thought out answer. He started out with “this is what you need to do on the margins”. How many times does it need to be said, GS has NO INTEREST in anything we have. Shoot, go onto goldenstateofmind website. They even talk about the suns being interested BUT HAVE NOTHING of value to give the warriors. Olsen hurts my ears with his nonsense. There is NO MArGINS in acquiring Kuminga. 1) GS ain’t taking Grayson and a 2nd for Kuminga. That garbage offer gets laughed at. 2) the suns don’t have an extra $20 million a year to give a player just for a flyer right now.

This is NOT what you need to do. It’s something a team with a lot of extra assets to blow and lots of extra cap space can do. Not a big deal when you are in full rebuild, lots of cap space and lots of extra picks to blow. The Suns aren’t in that position. The utter disaster this team is in requires extreme planning, delicate timing, and very very careful decisions. This team isn’t in a position to take “expensive Flyers”.

The only way….ONLY way Kuminga is a conversation piece for the Suns is if GS was/is desperate to dumb him for anything and Kuminga is on a dirt cheap contract for the next 3-4 years. Neither of which is the current situation.

Allen and Royce O'Neal on a veteran team like the Warriors are fine as a backups who can play starting minutes here and there.

The last time I checked the Warriors' roster they lacked depth. For them to get 3 rotation players (add Richards as a backup/third string C with Looney out) giving up just one player can be a win IF they're not sold on Kuminga.

And yeah, we can always trade Allen/Royce/2nds to a third team for another package and trade that different package to the Warriors. It's not a crazy idea.

What I know is that I prefer Kuminga to our veteran players. I like Royce but with Brooks, Dunn and Nigel Hayes on the roster he doesn't makes sense for us anymore.

[KdoubleDees23]

+1
(also if you've been to the league for 4 years, your own team didnt really want to resign you, and the word on you is "brainless chucker", then most probably I don't need chatgpt to figure out what you are)

You checked stats with or without VanVleet on the court. Those can be different. He played majority PG when Van Vleet was injured. Soo you will need to tweak that statistic. Because when vanvleet wasn't on the count but still healthy, Jalen Green wasn't running point

Also - Houston liked Green. They just had a chance for their little window to get KD for Green and Brooks. Then added a few more key spots to fill for a complete team. They have a chance the next 2 years.

Why dont you as a fan of this team give a player a chance to prove themselves? Why hate on somebody before he even starts. Cheer him on and wish him well and hope he outperforms your expectations. I dont get how you can be a fan, then bash someone before they even play. This is crazy

Houston did not like him. There are reports for years now that they tried to trade him. Then only gave him a non-max 3 year contract after his rookie deal was off. Not a good sign any case, and the statistics so far look like the word on the street is true about his above-neck problems.

I do wish he outperformes his contract, and gets better, etc... I just dont think it will happen. He will likely be a very similar player to what he is now - athletic, scores in bunches, but not much else. Here is hoping that i m wrong and you are right.

Also, dont ever question my fandom. Not you, not anybody else - its been too frequent on this forum lately. Just becouse we are skeptical by the moves the front office makes, it doesnt makes us bad guy or not fans. Fair to point out that the "non-fans" according to you (and some others around) have been mostly right about their criticism in the last howevermany years... a lot more so than the optimists. But it DOES NOT mean that they are not fans - they might just be better educated fans, seeing the results so far.

I am always going to question you and all your little negative minions on this board ! You cry vs support the team. You haven’t even given anyone a chance and even waited for offseason to be complete .

If this is too stressful and u are just negative , why even follow this team. Tell your wife not to go to any more cold play concerts and try to focus on positivity brother ! Life’s short . Why choose negativity

[KdoubleDees23]

He says WHY we are interested in him and he talks about the possibility of Kuminga (or Mark Williams) reaching his potential after getting him on the low. It's an interesting talk about one of the best (R)FA available on the market.

You think that we need smart, skilled, hard worker players who excells at rebounding...yeah, those are needed and wanted by EVERY team in the league.

You have to give up something and get the best one available. Of course, Kuminga's awareness and basketball IQ is low for now but he checks so many boxes. :

-Skilled scorer.
-Athleticism and size for a SF/PF.
-Health/Youth
-Switchability on defense.
-Passion for the game.
-Confidence.

If he improves his basketball IQ (some players do it with experience) next to all those qualities he can reach his potential and that's a heck of a player in his prime.

It's not a high risk move if you just trade a combination of Allen/Royce/Richards/2nds.

Yeah I listened to his nonsense. Not a single good/or well thought out answer. He started out with “this is what you need to do on the margins”. How many times does it need to be said, GS has NO INTEREST in anything we have. Shoot, go onto goldenstateofmind website. They even talk about the suns being interested BUT HAVE NOTHING of value to give the warriors. Olsen hurts my ears with his nonsense. There is NO MArGINS in acquiring Kuminga. 1) GS ain’t taking Grayson and a 2nd for Kuminga. That garbage offer gets laughed at. 2) the suns don’t have an extra $20 million a year to give a player just for a flyer right now.

This is NOT what you need to do. It’s something a team with a lot of extra assets to blow and lots of extra cap space can do. Not a big deal when you are in full rebuild, lots of cap space and lots of extra picks to blow. The Suns aren’t in that position. The utter disaster this team is in requires extreme planning, delicate timing, and very very careful decisions. This team isn’t in a position to take “expensive Flyers”.

The only way….ONLY way Kuminga is a conversation piece for the Suns is if GS was/is desperate to dumb him for anything and Kuminga is on a dirt cheap contract for the next 3-4 years. Neither of which is the current situation.

Allen and Royce O'Neal on a veteran team like the Warriors are fine as a backups who can play starting minutes here and there.

The last time I checked the Warriors' roster they lacked depth. For them to get 3 rotation players (add Richards as a backup/third string C with Looney out) giving up just one player can be a win IF they're not sold on Kuminga.

And yeah, we can always trade Allen/Royce/2nds to a third team for another package and trade that different package to the Warriors. It's not a crazy idea.

What I know is that I prefer Kuminga to our veteran players. I like Royce but with Brooks, Dunn and Nigel Hayes on the roster he doesn't makes sense for us anymore.

I actually like Kuminga . But I don’t think we need to give up 3 players and a 2nd

Trade allen and oneale and 2nds … find a 3rd team. We are going to need Richard’s with Maluach not being ready and williams hurt a lot

[sunsbum]

As much as I’d like to buy low on kuminga I’d like to just throw Flemming to the sharks and see what we have.

[NavLDO]

Want no part of kuminga

Agreed...

Kuminga - 6'7" / 225 lbs

Dunn - Between 6'6"-to-6'8" / 216 lbs (depending on whether we believe he grew 2" since the draft)
O'Neale - 6'6" / 226 lbs
Brooks - 6'6" / 225 lbs
Hayes-Davis - 6'8" / between 227 to 254 lbs (depending on what source you believe)
Fleming - 6'9" / 232 lbs-to-240 lbs (depending on what source you believe)
Livers - 6'6" 232 lbs

Heck, even Koby Brea is 6'7" 215 lbs, and Booker is 6'6" 206 lbs...

How many more SG/SF or SF/PFs between 6'6" and 6'8" 210 to 240 lbs do we need on the roster???

Captain Obvious, here, but unless we are bringing in a young-ish PG with starter-level ability, I'm really not in favor of of adding any talent. I know Height/Weight is not the end-all/be-all in determining a player's ability, but in our case, we are flush with hybrid SF/PF guys. We've also got Center sewn-up pretty well.

That said, and here's my $.02 on the Jalen Green front -- after watching some podcasts on the subject, some good points were brought up about Greens' ability, both playing PG, and concerns this past season on quality of play. In essence, with a true offensive threat on the court (Booker), likely taking a lot of the double teams Green was attracting, the thinking is this may open up opportunities, both in passing/assists as well as his propensity to drive the lane. Or with Booker bring up the rock, this should turn into more catch-and-shoot 3's opportunities, rather than pull-up 3s, which his %s weren't the best...

Anyway, this all remains to be seen, but it sounded logical enough. I do believe, with Green being as young as he is, that there is a chance we see some improvement this next season. We can hope, I guess...

[Sunsdeuce]

Are the warriors a better team with or without Kuminga OR is there no change?

Warriors see it as addition by subtraction by dumping him. They have four years of experience with him. They know what he is. If they saw him as an asset, they would have already extended him without question.

[Saberestar]

Want no part of kuminga

Agreed...

Kuminga - 6'7" / 225 lbs

Dunn - Between 6'6"-to-6'8" / 216 lbs (depending on whether we believe he grew 2" since the draft)
O'Neale - 6'6" / 226 lbs
Brooks - 6'6" / 225 lbs
Hayes-Davis - 6'8" / between 227 to 254 lbs (depending on what source you believe)
Fleming - 6'9" / 232 lbs-to-240 lbs (depending on what source you believe)
Livers - 6'6" 232 lbs

Heck, even Koby Brea is 6'7" 215 lbs, and Booker is 6'6" 206 lbs...

How many more SG/SF or SF/PFs between 6'6" and 6'8" 210 to 240 lbs do we need on the roster???

Captain Obvious, here, but unless we are bringing in a young-ish PG with starter-level ability, I'm really not in favor of of adding any talent. I know Height/Weight is not the end-all/be-all in determining a player's ability, but in our case, we are flush with hybrid SF/PF guys. We've also got Center sewn-up pretty well.

That said, and here's my $.02 on the Jalen Green front -- after watching some podcasts on the subject, some good points were brought up about Greens' ability, both playing PG, and concerns this past season on quality of play. In essence, with a true offensive threat on the court (Booker), likely taking a lot of the double teams Green was attracting, the thinking is this may open up opportunities, both in passing/assists as well as his propensity to drive the lane. Or with Booker bring up the rock, this should turn into more catch-and-shoot 3's opportunities, rather than pull-up 3s, which his %s weren't the best...

Anyway, this all remains to be seen, but it sounded logical enough. I do believe, with Green being as young as he is, that there is a chance we see some improvement this next season. We can hope, I guess...

Kuminga is 6'8 with a 7'0 wingspan and CRAZY athleticism.

Physically he is on a different higher tier.

And Nigel Hayes weights 227 lbs.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Any intruiging names left on here that standout to anybody for PG and/or PF??

[Sunsdeuce]

I’m not gonna lie. I’m not well versed in Jalen Green. I know his numbers and his efficiency. Anyway, I found this in depth video of Jalen Green. Don’t go off the title of the video. It’s actually a very depth unbiased break down of him and his career. If you get bored, check it out.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zt07rJ3FFZg?si=eWI0Y3Ym4xuyboqk[/youtube]

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Let's be crystal clear on Kuminga

He does not shoot free throws well
He does not shoot the three well
He is a below average rebounder for a power forward

In 84 games as a starter he has averaged 15pts, 5 rbds, 2.5asts, .318% on threes, .576% on true shooting percentage.

Nothing there stands out to me.

Hayes-Davis can certainly put up those type of numbers for $2M per year.