Leadership: How Many players have a case over Magic?

[The Explorer]

"Completely" is doing alot of work here. There's obvious carryover between the two and ignoring how someone leads in different situations indicates you're not actually interested in someone's leadership but the results that happened to have occurred during a certain portion of their tenure as a leader

Did you read the OP or no?

Here is it is you haven't:

In terms of leadership, how many players in NBA history have a case over Magic Johnson?

So can you explain why you and one and done are going off topic are talking about Russell as a coach?

Because the traits of leadership Russell exhibits during his tenure as a coach in a different situation can inform us about what Russell would have led like as a player in other situations.

Why are you using his coaching to try and deduce how his leadership traits as a player instead of simply examining his leadership traits directly based on the available information?

- Russell held his teammates accountable both vocally and by example
- He was known for challenging stars like Cousy and Heinsohn to raise their defensive effort
- Auerbach trusted Russell's leadership so much that he deferred to Russell to handle locker room conflicts
- Russell was calling out opponent plays on the floor

There is much more information about his actual leadership if you choose to seek it. There is no need to extrapolate information and project it onto him retroactively.

If you are only interested in what happened with Russell as a player, then you are not actually interested in Russell's leadership, just his play.

No I'm interested in sticking to to the topic of the OP. You are not.

[The Explorer]

I guess worth noting also that when Russell 'coached', the role of the coach was completely different, and far more simplistic. You'd yell at guys to play harder, etc.

You mean like your modern coach in JJ Redick ?

There’s actually only one cheat code in the NBA, and that’s playing hard. If you play hard every night, you have a chance to win. If you don’t play hard every night, you’re probably going to lose.

“…You give yourself a chance to win every night if you play hard.”

I've listened to Reddick discuss basketball before. I'm pretty confident he's on another planet to Russell. That's not surprising, because he was a highly cerebral player in a time when the game was far more sophisticated. He certainly has an accurate understanding of what the NBA 60s was like.

He's on another planet and more sophisticated yet saying the exact same things that Russell was saying. Amazing how blatantly biased you are.

Anyway, you are going off topic as usual. You have still failed to the answer the questions posed to you.

I'd say being a 'leader' back then probably required a very different set of skills that would often have made for poor leadership elsewhere.

What does this mean?

If Russell was a great leader as a player, then one must assume that he somehow forgot how to be a leader as the coach of the Kings

So are you choosing to ignore his work as a leader as a player? If so, why?

[One_and_Done]

You mean like your modern coach in JJ Redick ?

I've listened to Reddick discuss basketball before. I'm pretty confident he's on another planet to Russell. That's not surprising, because he was a highly cerebral player in a time when the game was far more sophisticated. He certainly has an accurate understanding of what the NBA 60s was like.

He's on another planet and more sophisticated yet saying the exact same things that Russell was saying. Amazing how blatantly biased you are.

Anyway, you are going off topic as usual. You have still failed to the answer the questions posed to you.

I'd say being a 'leader' back then probably required a very different set of skills that would often have made for poor leadership elsewhere.

What does this mean?

If Russell was a great leader as a player, then one must assume that he somehow forgot how to be a leader as the coach of the Kings

So are you choosing to ignore his work as a leader as a player? If so, why?

Not at all. There's nothing wrong with saying 'play harder'. You and I can do that. You have to go deeper though as a coach. The depths Reddick can plumb are a world away from Russell.

[Benjammin]

Talk about a thread going off the rails. I couldn't give a #$&@ what Bill freaking Russell did in a short stint as the Kings coach. Such a canard and red herring.

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