BREAKING: Shams: Damian Lillard Returning to the Blazers on a 3-yr/$42M Deal

[Case2012]

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[DusterBuster]

There is something off here. Dame fine is 10/10 fine.

The Jrue trade is some hanging threads. Jrue had a promo video by the team 11 days ago of him getting to Portland and meeting everyone. There's still been no word of any date or time for an introduction PR meeting.

Dame was signed around 48hrs ago and there's a PR meeting set for 6pm Monday.

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I get the rush for a conference with Dame, but the long delay with Jrue, the report he wasnt happy with the trade initially...

Feels like the Blazers summer isn't done yet as far as the news cycle goes.

[HMFFL]

Everybody loving this for Lillard, but every time the Nuggets lose in a game 7 of the second round of the playoffs, they're trying to force Jokic out of Denver for "rangz".

NBA fans never know what they want.

That can be correct.

I think it's nice for Lillard. The same can for the fans that want it to happen.

As an outsider, I like it because I perceive it to be special, but if I was a Blazer fan, I would hate it.

[DusterBuster]

Everybody loving this for Lillard, but every time the Nuggets lose in a game 7 of the second round of the playoffs, they're trying to force Jokic out of Denver for "rangz".

NBA fans never know what they want.

That can be correct.

I think it's nice for Lillard. The same can for the fans that want it to happen.

As an outsider, I like it because I perceive it to be special, but if I was a Blazer fan, I would hate it.

Man, I'm genuinely confused by this comment...

Literally there's not a single Blazer fan I've seen anywhere that has this comment. I think this comment proves you're WILDLY out of touch with the city's connection with Lillard.

There are some Blazer fans on the board here who were HAPPY to see him gone at his previous contract. Even those fans haven't criticized bringing him back in this manner.

You're fine to have that thought, but you're wrong what any Blazer fan thinks that I've seen on any part of the internet or in person life.

Even the most skeptical Blazer fan don't "hate" it. They question it (for good reason from a basketball standpoint), but I haven't seen ANYONE (in Portland or even national media) saying they "hate" this.

Comparing this in any way to Denver/Jokic (or Milwaukee/Giannis) is absolute nonsense. There's literally no connections/similarities. The only connection the media pushing a "this guy needs to leave" narrative. But neither Jokic or Giannis have gone down that path beyond some loudmouth media members like Dame did. I also don't think either will.

Dame did in part because of Melo. It's reported and known Melo told Dame he needs to ask out if he wants a chance at a ring. Melo told Dame the Blazers couldn't get him a ring and weren't committed to that (he technically wan't wrong). That on top of all the media pushing that too got to a breaking point. Cronin also shot himself in the foot saying he would do "go in so hard it would hurt" making a trade to build around Dame in 2023, then he did jack **** and took a supposed Dame replacement in Scoot.

The Nuggets don't that melting pot of a situation. Jokic also has his ring and isn't that driven to get another.

Giannis is a closer match. He's has made it clear he wants another. You also have national guys pushing a narrative (Shams and Windy) hard core.

The one difference again is GA has one a ring. Dame didn't. There's more incentive for a guy who's never won it to force the issue than there is with guys who haven't.

[ShootersShoot]

I don't know why we're acting like:

1) The Blazers weren't trying to rebuild when Dame asked out
2) Dame didn't rupture his Achilles this year and get cut by the Bucks because of that

Dame doesn't ask out if the Blazers were trying to put pieces around him and they weren't in a meaningful way. They were unwilling to part with their rebuild pieces to improve the team. They sat him for the last quarter or so of his last year there to tank when they still had a legit chance of making the playoffs. If you look at the on-off they were a plus team when Dame played and literally the worst team in the league when he was on the bench. They also trade Josh Hart who had the second best on-off on the team and drafted Dame's replacement. The team was going in a non-Dame direction.


Then he ruptures his Achilles in this playoffs. If that doesn't happen the Bucks run it back with a few changes and all of this doesn't happen. It wasn't a "the grass isn't always greener" situation. He got injured and he got cut because of it. With the Blazers willing to rehab a diminished Dame and looking to take a step forward from their rebuild it made sense for him to return to his family. The situation changed dramatically because of this unexpected outcome. With the Bucks he had the chance to compete as a main option. He no longer has that chance.

Some of you here are drama llamas that go out of your way to make star players look like clowns. I really wonder how much a lot of you even enjoy the game or if it's all about the gossip and bringing players down.

This is all 100% accurate.

I also wonder about the "what-if" scenario if Dame didn't get injured.

The Dame and Giannis pairing was - for whatever reason - never natural for the two of them. On top of that, the Bucks were still incredibly locked into that team and it seemed to be pretty clear Dame wasn't loving being in Milwaukee. They still would have likely lost Lopez and had no real way to replace him as well.

I guess this is all a long way to ask... would the Bucks have still moved on from Dame anyway? Maybe they don't stretch waive him, maybe they find a way to move him for multiple parts somewhere else? Dame was the Bucks only real asset that had any value (pre-injury that is).

The terrible thing is they never really even got a chance. Giannis gets injured right before the playoffs the 1st year and dame got injured this year. They prob still lose early on but to not even get a full playoff series off such an investment is sad.

[DusterBuster]

I don't know why we're acting like:

1) The Blazers weren't trying to rebuild when Dame asked out
2) Dame didn't rupture his Achilles this year and get cut by the Bucks because of that

Dame doesn't ask out if the Blazers were trying to put pieces around him and they weren't in a meaningful way. They were unwilling to part with their rebuild pieces to improve the team. They sat him for the last quarter or so of his last year there to tank when they still had a legit chance of making the playoffs. If you look at the on-off they were a plus team when Dame played and literally the worst team in the league when he was on the bench. They also trade Josh Hart who had the second best on-off on the team and drafted Dame's replacement. The team was going in a non-Dame direction.


Then he ruptures his Achilles in this playoffs. If that doesn't happen the Bucks run it back with a few changes and all of this doesn't happen. It wasn't a "the grass isn't always greener" situation. He got injured and he got cut because of it. With the Blazers willing to rehab a diminished Dame and looking to take a step forward from their rebuild it made sense for him to return to his family. The situation changed dramatically because of this unexpected outcome. With the Bucks he had the chance to compete as a main option. He no longer has that chance.

Some of you here are drama llamas that go out of your way to make star players look like clowns. I really wonder how much a lot of you even enjoy the game or if it's all about the gossip and bringing players down.

This is all 100% accurate.

I also wonder about the "what-if" scenario if Dame didn't get injured.

The Dame and Giannis pairing was - for whatever reason - never natural for the two of them. On top of that, the Bucks were still incredibly locked into that team and it seemed to be pretty clear Dame wasn't loving being in Milwaukee. They still would have likely lost Lopez and had no real way to replace him as well.

I guess this is all a long way to ask... would the Bucks have still moved on from Dame anyway? Maybe they don't stretch waive him, maybe they find a way to move him for multiple parts somewhere else? Dame was the Bucks only real asset that had any value (pre-injury that is).

The terrible thing is they never really even got a chance. Giannis gets injured right before the playoffs the 1st year and dame got injured this year. They prob still lose early on but to not even get a full playoff series off such an investment is sad.

I agree. I wanted and was prepped to really root for a long Bucks run. It sucks it never took off for all the reasons...

[ShootersShoot]

This is all 100% accurate.

I also wonder about the "what-if" scenario if Dame didn't get injured.

The Dame and Giannis pairing was - for whatever reason - never natural for the two of them. On top of that, the Bucks were still incredibly locked into that team and it seemed to be pretty clear Dame wasn't loving being in Milwaukee. They still would have likely lost Lopez and had no real way to replace him as well.

I guess this is all a long way to ask... would the Bucks have still moved on from Dame anyway? Maybe they don't stretch waive him, maybe they find a way to move him for multiple parts somewhere else? Dame was the Bucks only real asset that had any value (pre-injury that is).

The terrible thing is they never really even got a chance. Giannis gets injured right before the playoffs the 1st year and dame got injured this year. They prob still lose early on but to not even get a full playoff series off such an investment is sad.

I agree. I wanted and was prepped to really root for a long Bucks run. It sucks it never took off for all the reasons...

Especially 2024, they still went 6 against the pacers in the first round..perhaps with giannis they could have won and went against the beat up knicks with a real chance at the ecf. Middleton had just gotten healthy and was playing very well at the time too

[Case2012]

I really don't think it's bad for basketball reasons. Lillard has always needed lockdown defense, shooting, length, and a secondary playmaker around him.

Spoiler:

We have 4 or 5 current and past all defense players on this team.. That's wild AF to hear about a Blazers team. Jrue, Matisse, Camara, Timelord and possibly Clingan this year with his insane advanced stats. Yes, these are mostly past accomplishments but they really really good defensively. Deni is pretty good and Yang was DPOY in the CBA (I know but still).

We need more shooting but If Sharpe finally takes a leap, Deni continues his late season surge, Camara and Matisse maintain there numbers last year, this team is Ideal for Dame. The real question is what does he have left.

People say he lost a step but he put up 25, 7, and 5 before the injury... He also beat a life threatening blood clot people thought was going to end his career in 3 weeks. Not to mention Rivers never ran Dame with Giannis in the pnr (Insane) and it was basically just give the ball to Giannis. I get it, he's an MVP but it's like the Westbrook triple double era of everyone stand around and watch Giannis. Dame went from running the team his entire life to being a bystander and still put up crazy numbers. I watched Bucks games and he was not the Dame he was in Portland. When he comes back he will start and anyone that thinks he won't return and be a 28 ppg guy even after that injury knows nothing about the type of player Dame is. It's just how it is, he does stuff like this. He came back after people said he was washed and put up almost 33 PPG. I know it's his burst and the worst injury to have for that but modern medicine is wild and this guy is as hard of a worker as they come. Dame did not come back to ride the pine.

So, there's still the question of Scoot and to a lesser degree Shaedon. Showcase Shaedon and trade high at the deadline. I don't think he's worth the max Joe is gonna throw at him. That's what this FO does. They give out massive amounts of money to players that aren't worth it. Mark my words he will go back to one out of every 6 games performances. Sell Scoot next summer along with the lottery pick and Grant for the next disgruntled star to finally go all in on this team. Joe is gone anyways, he might as well do it before he never has the chance to do it again, because he will NEVER be GM again. Wouldn't you if you were about to get fired? It's his only hope of saving his job, to land another star and convince the incoming owners that they're buying a contender. Hell, even just the revenue from Yang having a key role on a contender would be massive for revenue.

Basically TLDR. We have the ideal team to put around Dame, we just need to showcase the youth to boost their value and attach some picks to them for a star for when Dame is healthy. I don't really understand what other option there is? That's the only thing that makes sense to me. If Joe wants to keep his job for the new owners, he should go all in.

[andalusian]

I have my doubts Dame will be healthy enough to be a "leading man" again.

I think the blazers gamble he can come back as an instant offense off the bench and catch and shoot 3 specialist, and he is paid like one.

[165bows]

I really don't think it's bad for basketball reasons. Lillard has always needed lockdown defense, shooting, length, and a secondary playmaker around him.

Spoiler:

We have 4 or 5 current and past all defense players on this team.. That's wild AF to hear about a Blazers team. Jrue, Matisse, Camara, Timelord and possibly Clingan this year with his insane advanced stats. Yes, these are mostly past accomplishments but they really really good defensively. Deni is pretty good and Yang was DPOY in the CBA (I know but still).

We need more shooting but If Sharpe finally takes a leap, Deni continues his late season surge, Camara and Matisse maintain there numbers last year, this team is Ideal for Dame. The real question is what does he have left.

People say he lost a step but he put up 25, 7, and 5 before the injury... He also beat a life threatening blood clot people thought was going to end his career in 3 weeks. Not to mention Rivers never ran Dame with Giannis in the pnr (Insane) and it was basically just give the ball to Giannis. I get it, he's an MVP but it's like the Westbrook triple double era of everyone stand around and watch Giannis. Dame went from running the team his entire life to being a bystander and still put up crazy numbers. I watched Bucks games and he was not the Dame he was in Portland. When he comes back he will start and anyone that thinks he won't return and be a 28 ppg guy even after that injury knows nothing about the type of player Dame is. It's just how it is, he does stuff like this. He came back after people said he was washed and put up almost 33 PPG. I know it's his burst and the worst injury to have for that but modern medicine is wild and this guy is as hard of a worker as they come. Dame did not come back to ride the pine.

So, there's still the question of Scoot and to a lesser degree Shaedon. Showcase Shaedon and trade high at the deadline. I don't think he's worth the max Joe is gonna throw at him. That's what this FO does. They give out massive amounts of money to players that aren't worth it. Mark my words he will go back to one out of every 6 games performances. Sell Scoot next summer along with the lottery pick and Grant for the next disgruntled star to finally go all in on this team. Joe is gone anyways, he might as well do it before he never has the chance to do it again, because he will NEVER be GM again. Wouldn't you if you were about to get fired? It's his only hope of saving his job, to land another star and convince the incoming owners that they're buying a contender. Hell, even just the revenue from Yang having a key role on a contender would be massive for revenue.

Basically TLDR. We have the ideal team to put around Dame, we just need to showcase the youth to boost their value and attach some picks to them for a star for when Dame is healthy. I don't really understand what other option there is? That's the only thing that makes sense to me. If Joe wants to keep his job for the new owners, he should go all in.

That seems crazy to me odds that Lillard will be a negative on at least two years of the deal seem really high to me (first obviously and third likely) just keep building what you have.

[HMFFL]

Everybody loving this for Lillard, but every time the Nuggets lose in a game 7 of the second round of the playoffs, they're trying to force Jokic out of Denver for "rangz".

NBA fans never know what they want.

That can be correct.

I think it's nice for Lillard. The same can for the fans that want it to happen.

As an outsider, I like it because I perceive it to be special, but if I was a Blazer fan, I would hate it.

Man, I'm genuinely confused by this comment...

Literally there's not a single Blazer fan I've seen anywhere that has this comment. I think this comment proves you're WILDLY out of touch with the city's connection with Lillard.

There are some Blazer fans on the board here who were HAPPY to see him gone at his previous contract. Even those fans haven't criticized bringing him back in this manner.

You're fine to have that thought, but you're wrong what any Blazer fan thinks that I've seen on any part of the internet or in person life.

Even the most skeptical Blazer fan don't "hate" it. They question it (for good reason from a basketball standpoint), but I haven't seen ANYONE (in Portland or even national media) saying they "hate" this.

Comparing this in any way to Denver/Jokic (or Milwaukee/Giannis) is absolute nonsense. There's literally no connections/similarities. The only connection the media pushing a "this guy needs to leave" narrative. But neither Jokic or Giannis have gone down that path beyond some loudmouth media members like Dame did. I also don't think either will.

Dame did in part because of Melo. It's reported and known Melo told Dame he needs to ask out if he wants a chance at a ring. Melo told Dame the Blazers couldn't get him a ring and weren't committed to that (he technically wan't wrong). That on top of all the media pushing that too got to a breaking point. Cronin also shot himself in the foot saying he would do "go in so hard it would hurt" making a trade to build around Dame in 2023, then he did jack **** and took a supposed Dame replacement in Scoot.

The Nuggets don't that melting pot of a situation. Jokic also has his ring and isn't that driven to get another.

Giannis is a closer match. He's has made it clear he wants another. You also have national guys pushing a narrative (Shams and Windy) hard core.

The one difference again is GA has one a ring. Dame didn't. There's more incentive for a guy who's never won it to force the issue than there is with guys who haven't.

Do teams with a winning culture bring back the former faces of their franchises often? How about OKC? Should they bring back KD, Russ, or Harden?

Portland doesn't have a winning culture so they'll take their small positives when they can.

You seem to be the one confused because I know where I stand on the subject. I mentioned that it's special and that I like it for Portland, but it primarily benefits Lillard. Blazer fans deserve a winning culture where little moves like this are "Meh, do we really need to be back Lillard?"

[Pattycakes]

That can be correct.

I think it's nice for Lillard. The same can for the fans that want it to happen.

As an outsider, I like it because I perceive it to be special, but if I was a Blazer fan, I would hate it.

Man, I'm genuinely confused by this comment...

Literally there's not a single Blazer fan I've seen anywhere that has this comment. I think this comment proves you're WILDLY out of touch with the city's connection with Lillard.

There are some Blazer fans on the board here who were HAPPY to see him gone at his previous contract. Even those fans haven't criticized bringing him back in this manner.

You're fine to have that thought, but you're wrong what any Blazer fan thinks that I've seen on any part of the internet or in person life.

Even the most skeptical Blazer fan don't "hate" it. They question it (for good reason from a basketball standpoint), but I haven't seen ANYONE (in Portland or even national media) saying they "hate" this.

Comparing this in any way to Denver/Jokic (or Milwaukee/Giannis) is absolute nonsense. There's literally no connections/similarities. The only connection the media pushing a "this guy needs to leave" narrative. But neither Jokic or Giannis have gone down that path beyond some loudmouth media members like Dame did. I also don't think either will.

Dame did in part because of Melo. It's reported and known Melo told Dame he needs to ask out if he wants a chance at a ring. Melo told Dame the Blazers couldn't get him a ring and weren't committed to that (he technically wan't wrong). That on top of all the media pushing that too got to a breaking point. Cronin also shot himself in the foot saying he would do "go in so hard it would hurt" making a trade to build around Dame in 2023, then he did jack **** and took a supposed Dame replacement in Scoot.

The Nuggets don't that melting pot of a situation. Jokic also has his ring and isn't that driven to get another.

Giannis is a closer match. He's has made it clear he wants another. You also have national guys pushing a narrative (Shams and Windy) hard core.

The one difference again is GA has one a ring. Dame didn't. There's more incentive for a guy who's never won it to force the issue than there is with guys who haven't.

Do teams with a winning culture bring back the former faces of their franchises often? How about OKC? Should they bring back KD, Russ, or Harden?

Portland doesn't have a winning culture so they'll take their small positives when they can.

You seem to be the one confused because I know where I stand on the subject. I mentioned that it's special and that I like it for Portland, but it primarily benefits Lillard. Blazer fans deserve a winning culture where little moves like this are "Meh, do we really need to be back Lillard?"

Did Clyde drexler crap in your baby child’s oatmeal one morning? Talk about hatred my God. People really already envy us that much. Gotta love it.

[HMFFL]

Man, I'm genuinely confused by this comment...

Literally there's not a single Blazer fan I've seen anywhere that has this comment. I think this comment proves you're WILDLY out of touch with the city's connection with Lillard.

There are some Blazer fans on the board here who were HAPPY to see him gone at his previous contract. Even those fans haven't criticized bringing him back in this manner.

You're fine to have that thought, but you're wrong what any Blazer fan thinks that I've seen on any part of the internet or in person life.

Even the most skeptical Blazer fan don't "hate" it. They question it (for good reason from a basketball standpoint), but I haven't seen ANYONE (in Portland or even national media) saying they "hate" this.

Comparing this in any way to Denver/Jokic (or Milwaukee/Giannis) is absolute nonsense. There's literally no connections/similarities. The only connection the media pushing a "this guy needs to leave" narrative. But neither Jokic or Giannis have gone down that path beyond some loudmouth media members like Dame did. I also don't think either will.

Dame did in part because of Melo. It's reported and known Melo told Dame he needs to ask out if he wants a chance at a ring. Melo told Dame the Blazers couldn't get him a ring and weren't committed to that (he technically wan't wrong). That on top of all the media pushing that too got to a breaking point. Cronin also shot himself in the foot saying he would do "go in so hard it would hurt" making a trade to build around Dame in 2023, then he did jack **** and took a supposed Dame replacement in Scoot.

The Nuggets don't that melting pot of a situation. Jokic also has his ring and isn't that driven to get another.

Giannis is a closer match. He's has made it clear he wants another. You also have national guys pushing a narrative (Shams and Windy) hard core.

The one difference again is GA has one a ring. Dame didn't. There's more incentive for a guy who's never won it to force the issue than there is with guys who haven't.

Do teams with a winning culture bring back the former faces of their franchises often? How about OKC? Should they bring back KD, Russ, or Harden?

Portland doesn't have a winning culture so they'll take their small positives when they can.

You seem to be the one confused because I know where I stand on the subject. I mentioned that it's special and that I like it for Portland, but it primarily benefits Lillard. Blazer fans deserve a winning culture where little moves like this are "Meh, do we really need to be back Lillard?"

Did Clyde drexler crap in your baby child’s oatmeal one morning? Talk about hatred my God. People really already envy us that much. Gotta love it.

How am I hating on Portland? Your post is an overreaction.

I apparently would like to see them have a winning culture more than you.

[Pattycakes]

Do teams with a winning culture bring back the former faces of their franchises often? How about OKC? Should they bring back KD, Russ, or Harden?

Portland doesn't have a winning culture so they'll take their small positives when they can.

You seem to be the one confused because I know where I stand on the subject. I mentioned that it's special and that I like it for Portland, but it primarily benefits Lillard. Blazer fans deserve a winning culture where little moves like this are "Meh, do we really need to be back Lillard?"

Did Clyde drexler crap in your baby child’s oatmeal one morning? Talk about hatred my God. People really already envy us that much. Gotta love it.

How am I hating on Portland? Your post is an overreaction.

I apparently would like to see them have a winning culture more than you.

Team with longest playoff streak doesn’t have a winning culture. Ok bro

[DusterBuster]

Do teams with a winning culture bring back the former faces of their franchises often? How about OKC? Should they bring back KD, Russ, or Harden?

Portland doesn't have a winning culture so they'll take their small positives when they can.

You seem to be the one confused because I know where I stand on the subject. I mentioned that it's special and that I like it for Portland, but it primarily benefits Lillard. Blazer fans deserve a winning culture where little moves like this are "Meh, do we really need to be back Lillard?"

Did Clyde drexler crap in your baby child’s oatmeal one morning? Talk about hatred my God. People really already envy us that much. Gotta love it.

How am I hating on Portland? Your post is an overreaction.

I apparently would like to see them have a winning culture more than you.

At the risk of getting banned by a "Global Mod", I'm going to call a lot of these gaslighting garbage comments...

You're more than welcome to your opinion, but you clearly don't understand what Lillard meant to the city of Portland one bit and his connection to the community - which is much more important than just "bringing back the face of the franchise".

Clearly you’ve not been paying that close of attention on the community level, nor would I expect anyone who hasn't lived in Portland over the past 10-15 years, so I get that will make that hard to see. You're welcome to just keeping giving your backhanded and disrespectful "clearly I want better things for your team than you do" trash responses, but we're also more than welcome to point out how out of touch with the Portland, OR community.

I've brought out multiple times here the basketball side doesn't make a ton of sense, but I've also clearly brought out (and has been echoed by multiple people in the media nationally and locally) that this signing is about more than basketball.

Whether you want to believe that or bury your head in the sand is up to you.

I will just finish up saying that your posts her come off really combative and disrespectful, and unnecessarily so I might add... coming from a Global Mod of all people is kinda surprising, thought you all were meant to be more balanced and respectful, guess I was wrong.

[DusterBuster]

Did Clyde drexler crap in your baby child’s oatmeal one morning? Talk about hatred my God. People really already envy us that much. Gotta love it.

How am I hating on Portland? Your post is an overreaction.

I apparently would like to see them have a winning culture more than you.

Team with longest playoff streak doesn’t have a winning culture. Ok bro

His whole argument is just picking a fight to pick a fight... I don't even get why he's pushing this narrative... like what does that argument/point even matter?

To go deeper on it, his argument is so wildly surface level and unserious that it doesn't even being to look at any other factors of what the Blazers organization is currently going through.

They are in the midst of being sold. Adam Silver gave a very tepid answer when asked about the future of the franchise in Portland, very purposely pointing out the city needs a new arena and only to say that "the league's preference is they stay in Portland".

The Blazers need as many butts in seats over the next 2-3 years as possible, so they can continue to prove this city is a viable NBA home. Bringing Dame back may not be "what winning culture teams do" (or whatever that **** thats all about), but it will put butts in seats because of how much this team loves Dame. Same for the drafting of Yang and the international attention that will bring the franchise for the next little bit.

So there are bigger matters to be considering at the current moment than whatever that uninformed point/argument HMFFL is trying to fight over.

[BNM]

As an outsider, I like it because I perceive it to be special, but if I was a Blazer fan, I would hate it.

You’re not. We don’t.

Most people outside of Portland have absolutely no clue how much this city loves that man. If you’re one of those people, please don’t try to speak for us.

[Wingy]

Can we get the “BREAKING” out of the thread title?

Every time I check the board, it’s as if something exciting happened, and then I realize it’s this same thread about a guy deep on the downhill slide who isn’t even going to play until the season after next season.

[Ssj16]

For people stating that Dame should never have left in the first place I don't get it. If had a top player on my favorite team who was incapable of getting my team past the second round and the team itself was poorly constructed in such a way that I could not see a potential for that to happen, I would be more than ok with resetting that team.

As a fan, I want to know that my team can seriously compete, make deep playoff runs and have an avenue to improve in 5 years. Not be first round fodder.

That being said, if you're signing someone like Dame at a fraction of the cost, I wouldn't be angry at that though.

[JN61]

One of all time overrated PGs.