Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[bay2hk]

The problem with letting him sit is the Warriors take a bit of a risk if they sign Horford to the TPMLE. Not saying it would happen, but if some team opened up enough cap space to front load a deal the Warriors won't match because of the second apron, Kuminga is gone for nothing (although there were some fans who are willing to let that happen).

With Horford on the TPMLE, any offer to Kuminga that starts at $24M or above risks the second apron. $24.75M and above would exceed the second apron, and that's without any salary for the 15th roster spot or 10-days. Switching one of the three needed vet minimums to a drafted rookie minimum (Richard or Toohey) extends those amounts by $1M for each drafted rookie minimum.

Good chance Horford may be gone for the Warriors because of this stalemate.

Warriors just need to wait until 10/1 to sign Horford and other vet min. If JK doesn’t sign the QO by then it will roll over to next offseason. Wonder if JK is getting advice from Patrick McCaw’s dad.

Restricted free agency continues into the season (through March 1st). They cannot take the risk of signing Horford unless they are willing to exceed the second apron in order to retain Kuminga on matching a RFA offer sheet. Maybe one near the trade deadline.

The next step I foresee in all of this mess is the Kuminga camp suing the Warriors.

Warriors don’t have to do jack ****. Kuminga is the one risking his reputation and his career earnings. If he wants to act unprofessional then he can but I can guarantee you he won’t get more than the minimum
salary whenever he becomes a UFA.

Get ready for Kuminga McCaw this year.

[Old_Blue]

[statsman]

Warriors just need to wait until 10/1 to sign Horford and other vet min. If JK doesn’t sign the QO by then it will roll over to next offseason. Wonder if JK is getting advice from Patrick McCaw’s dad.

Restricted free agency continues into the season (through March 1st). They cannot take the risk of signing Horford unless they are willing to exceed the second apron in order to retain Kuminga on matching a RFA offer sheet. Maybe one near the trade deadline.

The next step I foresee in all of this mess is the Kuminga camp suing the Warriors.

Warriors don’t have to do jack ****. Kuminga is the one risking his reputation and his career earnings. If he wants to act unprofessional then he can but I can guarantee you he won’t get more than the minimum
salary whenever he becomes a UFA.

Get ready for Kuminga McCaw this year.

The Warriors don't have to accept any S&T proposal they don't like. And they don't have to offer Kuminga whatever money he demands. But as long as he remains a restricted free agent this offseason or even into the season, the Warriors will not be able to safely spend their TPMLE. Unless they are willing to match a RFA offer sheet to Kuminga that puts the Warriors above the second apron. Not only would they not have Kuminga playing, but they also won't have Horford.

[azwfan]

Restricted free agency continues into the season (through March 1st). They cannot take the risk of signing Horford unless they are willing to exceed the second apron in order to retain Kuminga on matching a RFA offer sheet. Maybe one near the trade deadline.

The next step I foresee in all of this mess is the Kuminga camp suing the Warriors.

Warriors don’t have to do jack ****. Kuminga is the one risking his reputation and his career earnings. If he wants to act unprofessional then he can but I can guarantee you he won’t get more than the minimum
salary whenever he becomes a UFA.

Get ready for Kuminga McCaw this year.

The Warriors don't have to accept any S&T proposal they don't like. And they don't have to offer Kuminga whatever money he demands. But as long as he remains a restricted free agent this offseason or even into the season, the Warriors will not be able to safely spend their TPMLE. Unless they are willing to match a RFA offer sheet to Kuminga that puts the Warriors above the second apron.

If they use the TPMLE they’ll be hard capped at the 2nd apron. So they will not be able to match an offer sheet that puts them over the 2nd apron. They’d either need to cut some salary or let him go for nothing.

[statsman]

Warriors don’t have to do jack ****. Kuminga is the one risking his reputation and his career earnings. If he wants to act unprofessional then he can but I can guarantee you he won’t get more than the minimum
salary whenever he becomes a UFA.

Get ready for Kuminga McCaw this year.

The Warriors don't have to accept any S&T proposal they don't like. And they don't have to offer Kuminga whatever money he demands. But as long as he remains a restricted free agent this offseason or even into the season, the Warriors will not be able to safely spend their TPMLE. Unless they are willing to match a RFA offer sheet to Kuminga that puts the Warriors above the second apron.

If they use the TPMLE they’ll be hard capped at the 2nd apron. So they will not be able to match an offer sheet that puts them over the 2nd apron. They’d either need to cut some salary or let him go for nothing.

That's right. I keep forgetting that additional second apron detail. Which means they really can't sign Horford until the Kuminga situation is resolved.

[bay2hk]

In all seriousness though. Who is going to clear their cap space to sign Kuminga at $25m per year. If a team wanted JK that badly they would have stretch and waive a player (e.g. Lillard or Beal). By the time camp starts most teams including the Nets will have their roster set. Someone signing Kuminga with their cap space is a non risk. We have all the leverage and can wait past 10/1.

[whatisacenter]

In all seriousness though. Who is going to clear their cap space to sign Kuminga at $25m per year. If a team wanted JK that badly they would have stretch and waive a player (e.g. Lillard or Beal). By the time camp starts most teams including the Nets will have their roster set. Someone signing Kuminga with their cap space is a non risk. We have all the leverage and can wait past 10/1.

Great, then the Warriors should just go ahead and sign Horford and Melton.

Not sure why everyone is getting their knickers in a knot over this.

JK wants to leave and the Warriors don't want him back. Everyone knows this to be the case and the teams that are interested in him don't want to give up a ready now player and/or the 1st round pick the Warriors want in return.

How is JK supposed to resolve the stalemate?

By the way, none of the RFA have been given an offer sheet or have signed with their current team yet.

[bay2hk]

In all seriousness though. Who is going to clear their cap space to sign Kuminga at $25m per year. If a team wanted JK that badly they would have stretch and waive a player (e.g. Lillard or Beal). By the time camp starts most teams including the Nets will have their roster set. Someone signing Kuminga with their cap space is a non risk. We have all the leverage and can wait past 10/1.

Great, then the Warriors should just go ahead and sign Horford and Melton.

Not sure why everyone is getting their knickers in a knot over this.

JK wants to leave and the Warriors don't want him back. Everyone knows this to be the case and the teams that are interested in him don't want to give up a ready now player and/or the 1st round pick the Warriors want in return.

How is JK supposed to resolve the stalemate?

By the way, none of the RFA have been given an offer sheet or have signed with their current team yet.

JK can sign the QO, shut up and play basketball.

[statsman]

Delusional.

[azwfan]

If hes gonna sign the QO he should do that on the last possible day, theres zero incentive to do it a minute earlier. If that happens, iI’ll take back my positive assessment of MDJ in that other thread. This would be a massive miscalculation and just an epic fail. They should be doing everything they can to convince JK to come back so they can trade him for something of value at the trade deadline.

[cpower]

they should SnT him for 3/60 with last year team option, if Kuminga is not accepting the offer then just let him walk. He will play for MLE then.

[statsman]

they should SnT him for 3/60 with last year team option, if Kuminga is not accepting the offer then just let him walk. He will play for MLE then.

The only hiccup to that plan is Kuminga may not want to sign for that *low* of an amount, if the rumored $30M+/yr demands are to be believed. And the Warriors (well, Lacob) is not going to let Kuminga walk for nothing in return.

[azwfan]

Its entirely possible hes only asking for 30m/yr for him to sign with the Warriors, since he doesnt want to come back. In a S&T scenario he would likely accept less. Who knows tho. I know ill be tuning in to realgm over the coming months to find out. Haha

[cpower]

they should SnT him for 3/60 with last year team option, if Kuminga is not accepting the offer then just let him walk. He will play for MLE then.

The only hiccup to that plan is Kuminga may not want to sign for that *low* of an amount, if the rumored $30M+/yr demands are to be believed. And the Warriors (well, Lacob) is not going to let Kuminga walk for nothing in return.

Lacob will have no chance but letting him walk. Kuminga said in public he does not want to return.

[wco81]

He can only accept what's offered him.

Were these S&T deals going to pay him what he wanted?

[xdrta+]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

[bay2hk]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

Exactly, as we get closer to 10/1 JK will show his desperation. We know this kid isn’t financially responsible so he’ll fold for whatever money he can get this offseason.

He’s not that stupid to gamble another contract year with how he performed last season. Or maybe his camp and him are really that stupid.

[EvanZ]

Keep in mind if he signs the QO then we cannot trade him during the season. At least that’s what TK said.

[whatisacenter]

Keep in mind if he signs the QO then we cannot trade him during the season. At least that’s what TK said.

Yep, and then he gets to walk for nothing.

EDIT: JK would be able to veto any trade if he chose to.

[CS707]

It’s pretty clear the Warriors value him more than the QO based on the lack of offer sheets from other teams and the supposed return they’re looking for in a trade. I still think this all ends up with him signing a short term extension in the $20-$25m range.