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Re: GT: Summer League Semi-Finals: 1st seed TOR (4-0) vs 4th seed SAC (4-0) - Sat July 19 @ 4pm - TSN 

Post#501 » by HiJiNX » Sun Jul 20, 2025 6:04 am

Felt like we gave up a run every time CMB was on the floor.
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Post#502 » by bballsparkin » Sun Jul 20, 2025 6:42 am

alan_156 wrote:They obviously missed AJ Lawson offensively. Comche also sucks, not sure what anyone else sees. He's not an NBA big man. I also don't think Mogbo is nba calibre, he may have good motor but can't see what else he does well. We have absolutely no big man depth outside of poetl and cmb.


I didn't mean to and 1 this. Comche doesn't suck. He is offensively challenged and goes up soft. He's not an NBA big man yet. And maybe will never be. He's showed promise defensively nonetheless.
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Re: GT: Summer League Semi-Finals: 1st seed TOR (4-0) vs 4th seed SAC (4-0) - Sat July 19 @ 4pm - TSN 

Post#503 » by Tripod » Sun Jul 20, 2025 9:42 am

Tor_Raps wrote:What's new... Raptors get dominated by an opposing teams Center when Poeltl isnt out there. Our team made Jones look like a prime Embiid, imagine wtf actual NBA Centers will do to us this upcoming season when Poeltl isnt playing.

For the 1000th time, this teams Center depth will be its Achilles heel this upcoming season and this management group hasn't been able to figure it out. Hopefully Mamu can be that guy but hard to rely on a career 3rd/4th stringer.

Still time to Dick for Lively....

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Post#504 » by Tripod » Sun Jul 20, 2025 9:57 am

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ItsDanger wrote:When are they going to draft a guy that can really score?


Gradey was drafted to score.

When will they draft someone who can score and play defense?

Gradey is an off ball player primarily.

Well we have RJ who can score but because he misses 3 extra 3's over the span of 20 games, and misses some FT's, he gets hated upon.

I wonder if this stat exists and what it shows....does any stat site break up FT's? Like into 2 attempts from a missed shot or an and 1 from a made shot.

Would just be interesting to see how many of RJ's FT's are from and 1's vs missed shots...and how that compares to other.

The eye test seems like he might have more and 1's compared to Barnes. Not sure if the stats are out there to show this or not.
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Post#505 » by Boogie! » Sun Jul 20, 2025 11:30 am

Didn’t watch the game, depressing that they lost. It’s obvious they need offense, again defence only doesn’t win anything.
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Post#506 » by Boogie! » Sun Jul 20, 2025 11:36 am

Saw the box score, why was boyles so underwhelming
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Post#507 » by causal_fan » Sun Jul 20, 2025 11:47 am

Notwithstanding all the comments about defence , it seems you still need players who can consistently put the basketball in the net to win games on an ongoing basis.
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Post#508 » by Duffman100 » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:14 pm

Boogie! wrote:Saw the box score, why was boyles so underwhelming


The whole team felt like they were playing through mud.

CMB looked outmuscled by a 25 year old version of himself in Jones. That guy dominated the game. Felt like their version of Lawson just dominating our bigs
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Post#509 » by Kingsway_fan » Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:54 pm

Los_29 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:What's new... Raptors get dominated by an opposing teams Center when Poeltl isnt out there. Our team made Jones look like a prime Embiid, imagine wtf actual NBA Centers will do to us this upcoming season when Poeltl isnt playing.

For the 1000th time, this teams Center depth will be its Achilles heel this upcoming season and this management group hasn't been able to figure it out. Hopefully Mamu can be that guy but hard to rely on a career 3rd/4th stringer.


It’s Summer League and this team went 4-1.

Mamu will come in and hopefully do what he did in San Antonio and that’s play around 10-15mpg. If he can do that, I don’t see the problem.

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Tor_Raps wrote:Hopefully that ends the talk of the Raptors being "too deep." Majority of this team belongs in the G League for a full season for some serious skill development. Now that doesnt mean they cant be great but it just won't be next year.

You were just WAITING for a chance to come and **** on the team, hey? :lol:

I don’t think one game and judging what mostly our 3rd stringers will do has any impact on our depth :lol:


This might be the most egregious, nonsensical one yet. Imagine critiquing Summer League rosters.


Team should be good. We finally have a very capable backup C in Mamu... and an excellent starting 5. The summer league team is gaining experience as backups to this starting unit. Plus we also have Dick and Ochai....

I see Chomche and others spending lots of time in the G league and others getting spot minutes here and there on the NBA team. No one is replacing RJ as the starter from the summer league, imo, any time soon.
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Post#510 » by tecumseh18 » Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:34 pm

HiJiNX wrote:Felt like we gave up a run every time CMB was on the floor.


-21 in 23 minutes, along with Battle's -22 didn't help the cause. Battle looks like he tries hard on defence, but unless he's getting shots up in volume, he can be a liability. I can only assume CMB hit the hall in his conditioning while rehabbing for the last few months. We'll see where he's at in training camp.

But Chomche's foul trouble is what ultimately killed us. Part of the gamble in drafting a super young kid is that they'll keep growing. Isaac Jones grew 5 inches AFTER high school. Scottie is definitely more than the "6' 7" guard from Florida State" he'd been originally billed as. I'm not sure Chomche can be an NBA big unless he grows a little bigger.
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Post#511 » by MEDIC » Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:56 pm

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alan_156 wrote:They obviously missed AJ Lawson offensively. Comche also sucks, not sure what anyone else sees. He's not an NBA big man. I also don't think Mogbo is nba calibre, he may have good motor but can't see what else he does well. We have absolutely no big man depth outside of poetl and cmb.


I didn't mean to and 1 this. Comche doesn't suck. He is offensively challenged and goes up soft. He's not an NBA big man yet. And maybe will never be. He's showed promise defensively nonetheless.


Yeah. This was Chomches only poor showing at Summer League, but he wasn't the only one. Other than Shead, most of the players had an off game. I don't know if it was because they were missing their veteran leader (AJ) or what, but the team didn't look the same from the jump. They didn't do the things that earned them a 4-0 record..

Overall, I gave Chomche's development an "A" over the past year. The kid's growth has been very impressive. Let's not forget, he was 18 years old this time last year, coming from a tiny village in Africa.

Still only 19 years old for another 6 months.
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Post#512 » by Jerry Lucas » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:05 pm

Overall, I was pleasantly surprised that this group managed to go farther in Summer League than the legendary (on paper) Raptors Summer League teams of 2016 and 2017.

Just look at how stacked these teams were on paper for SL standards. They were also the 1 seed both of those years:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2016
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2017
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Post#513 » by GLF » Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:54 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:Overall, I was pleasantly surprised that this group managed to go farther in Summer League than the legendary (on paper) Raptors Summer League teams of 2016 and 2017.

Just look at how stacked these teams were on paper for SL standards. They were also the 1 seed both of those years:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2016
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2017


Did they have the tournament back then? If not how would we be able to say this Raptors team went further or not? Honest question
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Post#514 » by deeps6x » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:03 pm

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bballsparkin wrote:
alan_156 wrote:They obviously missed AJ Lawson offensively. Comche also sucks, not sure what anyone else sees. He's not an NBA big man. I also don't think Mogbo is nba calibre, he may have good motor but can't see what else he does well. We have absolutely no big man depth outside of poetl and cmb.


I didn't mean to and 1 this. Comche doesn't suck. He is offensively challenged and goes up soft. He's not an NBA big man yet. And maybe will never be. He's showed promise defensively nonetheless.


Yeah. This was Chomches only poor showing at Summer League, but he wasn't the only one. Other than Shead, most of the players had an off game. I don't know if it was because they were missing their veteran leader (AJ) or what, but the team didn't look the same from the jump. They didn't do the things that earned them a 4-0 record..

Overall, I gave Chomche's development an "A" over the past year. The kid's growth has been very impressive. Let's not forget, he was 18 years old this time last year, coming from a tiny village in Africa.

Still only 19 years old for another 6 months.


It just felt like a regular season Raptor's game. Refs hit key players with a bunch of very weak foul calls early in the first and that threw us off. Plus our shooting sucked for all of the first half. But the BS foulapalooza to start the game was what lost it for us.
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Post#515 » by Tripod » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:06 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:What's new... Raptors get dominated by an opposing teams Center when Poeltl isnt out there. Our team made Jones look like a prime Embiid, imagine wtf actual NBA Centers will do to us this upcoming season when Poeltl isnt playing.

For the 1000th time, this teams Center depth will be its Achilles heel this upcoming season and this management group hasn't been able to figure it out. Hopefully Mamu can be that guy but hard to rely on a career 3rd/4th stringer.


It’s Summer League and this team went 4-1.

Mamu will come in and hopefully do what he did in San Antonio and that’s play around 10-15mpg. If he can do that, I don’t see the problem.

YogurtProducer wrote:You were just WAITING for a chance to come and **** on the team, hey? :lol:

I don’t think one game and judging what mostly our 3rd stringers will do has any impact on our depth :lol:


This might be the most egregious, nonsensical one yet. Imagine critiquing Summer League rosters.


Team should be good. We finally have a very capable backup C in Mamu... and an excellent starting 5. The summer league team is gaining experience as backups to this starting unit. Plus we also have Dick and Ochai....

I see Chomche and others spending lots of time in the G league and others getting spot minutes here and there on the NBA team. No one is replacing RJ as the starter from the summer league, imo, any time soon.

Yeah it's easy to forget but in theory, these guys in SL are guys 8-onward in the depth chart.

Now obviously CMB and Shead will play due to positions and ability...but after that next up is Walter who will fight with Ochai and Dick for playing time.

I personally would still rather have 1 more "real" C and one less SG/SF but also realize that this roster is not close to a finished product. Changes will continue to happen.
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Post#516 » by Jerry Lucas » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:13 pm

GLF wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:Overall, I was pleasantly surprised that this group managed to go farther in Summer League than the legendary (on paper) Raptors Summer League teams of 2016 and 2017.

Just look at how stacked these teams were on paper for SL standards. They were also the 1 seed both of those years:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2016
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2017


Did they have the tournament back then? If not how would we be able to say this Raptors team went further or not? Honest question

The old tournament brackets are on the Wikipedia pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NBA_Summer_League#Bracket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NBA_Summer_League#Bracket
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Post#517 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:36 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:Hopefully that ends the talk of the Raptors being "too deep." Majority of this team belongs in the G League for a full season for some serious skill development. Now that doesnt mean they cant be great but it just won't be next year.



That was seriously your takeaway from this summer league? If anything this proved we are truly a deep team full of multiple defenders and young players who will improve over time. We can’t play a 12 man rotation anyways so most of these young guys won’t be part of next years rotation. But we saw improvements from Shead,Mogbo and Walter who should help our depth next year.

You were definitely waiting for a game like this lol
The man waited till the 5th game lol. Not a peep when we were dominating. Had his draft post all ready but couldn't hit submit until today lol.


I had the same response in the "we are too deep" thread saying dont extrapolate tanking + summer league games as regular season success. My whole point was that dont expect many of these guys contribute to next year's team in terms of winning. For example, many said Mogbo/CMB can play backup C just fine but today showed that even a scrub Center would dominate them.

Regardless, I'm still excited for next season. Summer league still had FAR more positive stories than negative in the long term view for the Raptors.
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Post#518 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:38 pm

Tripod wrote:
Kingsway_fan wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
It’s Summer League and this team went 4-1.

Mamu will come in and hopefully do what he did in San Antonio and that’s play around 10-15mpg. If he can do that, I don’t see the problem.



This might be the most egregious, nonsensical one yet. Imagine critiquing Summer League rosters.


Team should be good. We finally have a very capable backup C in Mamu... and an excellent starting 5. The summer league team is gaining experience as backups to this starting unit. Plus we also have Dick and Ochai....

I see Chomche and others spending lots of time in the G league and others getting spot minutes here and there on the NBA team. No one is replacing RJ as the starter from the summer league, imo, any time soon.

Yeah it's easy to forget but in theory, these guys in SL are guys 8-onward in the depth chart.

Now obviously CMB and Shead will play due to positions and ability...but after that next up is Walter who will fight with Ochai and Dick for playing time.

I personally would still rather have 1 more "real" C and one less SG/SF but also realize that this roster is not close to a finished product. Changes will continue to happen.


Yup and that's exactly been my viewpoint. We lost today strictly because we let a scrub Center outplay us.

Its just a common recurring theme in the post Gasol/Ibaka years. If Poeltl gets hurt, we might as well cancel the season lol. A good team is not built to fall apart if a role player gets injured.
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Post#519 » by GLF » Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:50 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:
GLF wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:Overall, I was pleasantly surprised that this group managed to go farther in Summer League than the legendary (on paper) Raptors Summer League teams of 2016 and 2017.

Just look at how stacked these teams were on paper for SL standards. They were also the 1 seed both of those years:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2016
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Toronto-Raptors/28/Rosters/Summer_League/2017


Did they have the tournament back then? If not how would we be able to say this Raptors team went further or not? Honest question

The old tournament brackets are on the Wikipedia pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NBA_Summer_League#Bracket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NBA_Summer_League#Bracket


Oh damn. I didn’t realize they had the tournaments since back then. I don’t know why I thought it was recent. Yea I’m shocked those two summer league teams didn’t advance further.
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Post#520 » by elmer_yuck » Sun Jul 20, 2025 4:32 pm

To me it’s a fireable offense that we haven’t had adequate talent at the center position the last few years.

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