Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[CS707]

Keep in mind if he signs the QO then we cannot trade him during the season. At least that’s what TK said.

I think it’s that we can’t trade him against his will. I assume as we get closer to the deadline and he’s not happy, he’s not going to fight a deal that gets him out and only obligated to half a season wherever he ends up.

[whatisacenter]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

I believe there are teams that would want JK on a 20-25M a year salary and that they won't work to make cap room for an offer sheet just to have GS match it.

So many posters here talk about JK like he is a garbage but the Warriors are holding out for a FRP and/or a ready-now player in trade talks.

Time will tell what ends up happening, but I still feel like the two most likely scenarios both end up with JK still on the roster, either on the QO or a contract to move at the deadline.

Really looking forward to next season with the over-the-hill gang and a disgruntled player in the locker room

[CS707]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

I believe there are teams that would want JK on a 20-25M a year salary and that they won't work to make cap room for an offer sheet just to have GS match it.

So many posters here talk about JK like he is a garbage but the Warriors are holding out for a FRP and/or a ready-now player in trade talks.

Agreed. I really don’t think it’s as hostile as people assume either. The Warriors likely have a number and told him to go do his due diligence to see if there was something better out there for him. Just like other teams aren’t going to put in the effort to make an offer they know the Warriors will match, there’s no reason for the Warriors to negotiate against themselves either. JK’s camp will do the legwork. I suppose it affects what can be offered to Horford but I suspect it’s going to be whatever exemption is available when JK is done and he’s just waiting until they know and then will sign.

[statsman]

Keep in mind if he signs the QO then we cannot trade him during the season. At least that’s what TK said.

I think it’s that we can’t trade him against his will. I assume as we get closer to the deadline and he’s not happy, he’s not going to fight a deal that gets him out and only obligated to half a season wherever he ends up.

Maybe, but that doesn't help the team who would acquire him. Any player who is traded while playing on a QO does not have his Bird rights transferred to the new team. The new team would only have his non-Bird rights (no more than 120% raise) the following offseason. Kuminga would also be an unrestricted FA. Doubtful the Warriors would be able to acquire anything of value for Kuminga on the QO ($8M)

A 120% raise would only allow the new team to offer up to $9.6M starting next season. The new team could go higher, but it would require re-signing Kuminga with cap space or with an exception (this would be capped by the NTMLE, ~$15.1M next season). Other than re-signing with cap space, none of those options are going to appeal to Kuminga. Certainly not after playing an entire season on the QO.

[vvoland]

Keep in mind if he signs the QO then we cannot trade him during the season. At least that’s what TK said.

I think it’s that we can’t trade him against his will. I assume as we get closer to the deadline and he’s not happy, he’s not going to fight a deal that gets him out and only obligated to half a season wherever he ends up.

Maybe, but that doesn't help the team who would acquire him. Any player who is traded while playing on a QO does not have his Bird rights transferred to the new team. The new team would only have his non-Bird rights (no more than 120% raise) the following offseason. Kuminga would also be an unrestricted FA. Doubtful the Warriors would be able to acquire anything of value for Kuminga on the QO ($8M)

A 120% raise would only allow the new team to offer up to $9.6M starting next season. The new team could go higher, but it would require re-signing Kuminga with cap space or with an exception (this would be capped by the NTMLE, ~$15.1M next season). Other than re-signing with cap space, none of those options are going to appeal to Kuminga. Certainly not after playing an entire season on the QO.

Just one more reason he won't sign the QO.

[vvoland]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

If you were named GM today, what would you offer him? I think 20m this year is the best scenario for gsw as he won't be too upset with that money (I hope) and it's a large enough contract that, if he's playing ok, it's easily tradeable for a next max deal (along with moody, buddy, filler). It's not so large that, barring a few disastrous scenarios, he probably won't be a negative contract and, at worst, just filler with upside.

Evan was talking about it needing to be in the Goldilocks zone so if he has a JP3 like regression, it won't be an albatross like 32m/yr was for poole. I think that zone is 20-25. How about you?

[CS707]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

If you were named GM today, what would you offer him? I think 20m this year is the best scenario for gsw as he won't be too upset with that money (I hope) and it's a large enough contract that, if he's playing ok, it's easily tradeable for a next max deal (along with moody, buddy, filler). It's not so large that, barring a few disastrous scenarios, he probably won't be a negative contract and, at worst, just filler with upside.

Evan was talking about it needing to be in the Goldilocks zone so if he has a JP3 like regression, it won't be an albatross like 32m/yr was for poole. I think that zone is 20-25. How about you?

3 year somewhere in the $20-$25m per range with the 3rd year being a P/O. That’s a total win for him IMO.

[statsman]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

If you were named GM today, what would you offer him? I think 20m this year is the best scenario for gsw as he won't be too upset with that money (I hope) and it's a large enough contract that, if he's playing ok, it's easily tradeable for a next max deal (along with moody, buddy, filler). It's not so large that, barring a few disastrous scenarios, he probably won't be a negative contract and, at worst, just filler with upside.

Evan was talking about it needing to be in the Goldilocks zone so if he has a JP3 like regression, it won't be an albatross like 32m/yr was for poole. I think that zone is 20-25. How about you?

3 year somewhere in the $20-$25m per range with the 3rd year being a P/O. That’s a total win for him IMO.

I would be fine with a 3/63 ($20M start) on a S&T. It would limit who the Warriors could take back, but it pretty much eliminates having a large, garbage contract tossed back. The higher the S&T amount goes, the more likely the latter would happen.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I'd give him 3/60 knowing he'll get flipped at the deadline.

I'm not sure he'd take it though. Multiple sources since the offseason have mentioned 30M minimum, that's been consistent. His camp might be playing poker and pushing mjd into a qo or a 3/100 type deal. If he's staying in the bay, he wants to be paid for his discomfort.

[bay2hk]

I'd give him 3/60 knowing he'll get flipped at the deadline.

I'm not sure he'd take it though. Multiple sources since the offseason have mentioned 30M minimum, that's been consistent. His camp might be playing poker and pushing mjd into a qo or a 3/100 type deal. If he's staying in the bay, he wants to be paid for his discomfort.

What he wants versus what he will get will hit him soon. I think MDJ and FO learned from last offseason and season prior where we almost made some huge mistakes such as PG13, Lauri and JK $150m extension.

Having JK play for the QO is the best outcome for the Warriors because his production does not warrant $25m. People forget that most teams next offseason will be in a similar cap apron restriction situation and JK may not get the big money he seeks. We have an advantage of S&T to teams without cap space to sign him above NTMLE.

I do agree something between $16m - $20m would be fair for all parties as this is higher than the NTMLE.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I dont think the Warriors can afford for jk to play for the qo. They absolutely need to get something for him. This can't be how we end the last remaining seasons of steph.

[EvanZ]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

If you were named GM today, what would you offer him? I think 20m this year is the best scenario for gsw as he won't be too upset with that money (I hope) and it's a large enough contract that, if he's playing ok, it's easily tradeable for a next max deal (along with moody, buddy, filler). It's not so large that, barring a few disastrous scenarios, he probably won't be a negative contract and, at worst, just filler with upside.

Evan was talking about it needing to be in the Goldilocks zone so if he has a JP3 like regression, it won't be an albatross like 32m/yr was for poole. I think that zone is 20-25. How about you?

I mean he never had anywhere near the highs Poole had so I'm not sure "regression" is the issue. It's more like you pay him $30M/yr and he literally is just the same dude again.

[bay2hk]

I dont think the Warriors can afford for jk to play for the qo. They absolutely need to get something for him. This can't be how we end the last remaining seasons of steph.

They really do not. One year rental of JK playing for his career livelihood is better than any options available for next season. Even if JK walks after next season we’re not burden with his $25m - $30m salary. We can fitness a S&T to a team with no cap and receive draft capital next offseason.

[vvoland]

Who's offering 3/60 anyway? Before worrying if Kuminga would take it, they need to find someone to offer it.

If you were named GM today, what would you offer him? I think 20m this year is the best scenario for gsw as he won't be too upset with that money (I hope) and it's a large enough contract that, if he's playing ok, it's easily tradeable for a next max deal (along with moody, buddy, filler). It's not so large that, barring a few disastrous scenarios, he probably won't be a negative contract and, at worst, just filler with upside.

Evan was talking about it needing to be in the Goldilocks zone so if he has a JP3 like regression, it won't be an albatross like 32m/yr was for poole. I think that zone is 20-25. How about you?

I mean he never had anywhere near the highs Poole had so I'm not sure "regression" is the issue. It's more like you pay him $30M/yr and he literally is just the same dude again.

If he is the same dude he was his first 3 season (60% eFG, high FT rate, iffy off ball defense, underwhelming rebounding), I don't think 25M/yr will be hard to trade. No one is talking 30M outside of his camp (or Giddey's, for that matter).

I just meant the Dubs didn't think poole would sabotage the championship defending year, his ow season, team, and career when they gave him the deal so that "regression" really did make him almost untradeable. We were lucky people were still blaming dray and the punch. Another 3 months and he would have been untradeable until this summer (after a better year).

I don't think JK's floor is that low but agree he hasn't hit the same highs as JP did. 4/132 or whatever JP got isn't what JK is looking at. Almost half.

[AirP.]

Duane Rankin of the Arizona Republic reported that while the Phoenix Suns "have interest" in acquiring Kuminga, they "are unlikely to land him because they lack the draft capital and assets to deliver in what would be a sign-and-trade for the Warriors."

NBA insider Jake Fischer recently reported that Golden State wants a first-round pick in any deal for Kuminga. A reunion between the two sides remains on the table, but it was also reported that they are still far apart in contract negotiations.

Kuminga is reportedly seeking a four-year deal worth $30 million per year, while the Warriors are hoping to sign him to a three-year contract with an average annual value of $20 million, which would be easier to flip at the February trade deadline or next summer.

Duane Rankin is a Phoenix Suns Insider for The Arizona Republic starting in September 2018.

It's possible Phoenix is trying to get the right type of assets by looking at what they can get for O'Neal and/or Allen.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25228051-jonathan-kuminga-trade-suns-reportedly-unlikely-amid-warriors-contract-rumors

[Nate the Great]

Kuminga seems to have the Warriors over a barrel. Apparently there’s no date by which he must commit to a contract, and he’s holding up the signing of other free agents. He seems to want more money than others think he’s worth. So either the Warriors overpay him and he becomes an albatross contract, or they wait, and possibly lose out on a chance to sign Horford, Melton, etc.

[azwfan]

Kuminga seems to have the Warriors over a barrel. Apparently there’s no date by which he must commit to a contract, and he’s holding up the signing of other free agents. He seems to want more money than others think he’s worth. So either the Warriors overpay him and he becomes an albatross contract, or they wait, and possibly lose out on a chance to sign Horford, Melton, etc.

I think its the other way around. The Warriors can just sign the guys they want to play basketball for them. The Warriors are the ones trying to get assets for someone they don't want.

[DAWill1128]

I see reports of Warriors and Bulls in discussion. Trade would be Kuminga for Dosonmu. Donsonmu is making 7.5 million so you would think another player might be involved if its a sign and trade.

Dosonmu is who I wanted in the Moody draft position. I thought his defense in the 2nd unit and relieving Poole of some of his ball handling could help. Still like Dosonmu as a player, he can pick up the quick guards and speed up the teams pace on offense. Donsonmu isn't the iso scorer of Kuminga but he does attack and keep his head up to make reads for the team.

In my more ideal scenario JK signs for 25 and is shipped for Coby Whites 12.5 and we add some draft capital. But it looks like the Bulls are in on Coby even with just this last year remaining on his contract.

Maybe you sign trade Kuminga for a quick guard, bring in Horford, and get Melton up to speed. I like Brogdon as an option, he would probably start here.

https://youtu.be/yRjSwBTAV_E?si=UgNGSff1fd84DJdQ

[vvoland]

Has there been a single report of a contract offer JK has ACTUALLY received? Either from GSW or anyone else. Even rumors? I haven't heard a peep. Even Giddey's situations has some parameters (bulls offering 20, JG wants 30), if not details on years or guarantees. I don't remember seeing a single word about what GSW tried to offer JK to come off the market.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Has there been a single report of a contract offer JK has ACTUALLY received? Either from GSW or anyone else. Even rumors? I haven't heard a peep. Even Giddey's situations has some parameters (bulls offering 20, JG wants 30), if not details on years or guarantees. I don't remember seeing a single word about what GSW tried to offer JK to come off the market.

There have been multiple rumors and plenty posted in this thread.

Just this week:

Warriors want to extend at 20M+, jk and his team want 30M+. Now if you are looking for a press release from the team about an offer, you won't find it.